Residents appeal MCPS boundary changes, challenge legality of diversity focus

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It’s in the policy. A case like this is only a matter of time.

A case like what? A case like something that didn't happen?

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Sigh. You clearly don't have enough knowledge about this study to have an educated conversation about it.

Dude. We're talking about Cabin Branch. The neighborhood that was reassigned to Neelsville Middle School and Seneca Valley High School. The neighborhood where lots of black families and Latino families live, despite rhetoric that would make you believe that it's almost entirely a white and Asian-American area.

New poster here and CB resident. So much misinformation on this board. No one in Cabin Branch would say that it is majority white and Asian. And no one would say it is majority Black and Latino.

If it's not majority white and Asian, or majority black and Latino, then how is it racially discriminatory to send Cabin Branch kids to Neelsville instead of Rocky Hill?

CB has tons of Asian families. Rural Boyds is majority white.

How do you know? Rural boyds also has 5-6 kids per grade level. They make no difference in demographics yet have to suffer the longest bus rides.

[Anonymous]

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Sigh. You clearly don't have enough knowledge about this study to have an educated conversation about it.

Dude. We're talking about Cabin Branch. The neighborhood that was reassigned to Neelsville Middle School and Seneca Valley High School. The neighborhood where lots of black families and Latino families live, despite rhetoric that would make you believe that it's almost entirely a white and Asian-American area.

New poster here and CB resident. So much misinformation on this board. No one in Cabin Branch would say that it is majority white and Asian. And no one would say it is majority Black and Latino.

If it's not majority white and Asian, or majority black and Latino, then how is it racially discriminatory to send Cabin Branch kids to Neelsville instead of Rocky Hill?

CB has tons of Asian families. Rural Boyds is majority white.

How do you know? Rural boyds also has 5-6 kids per grade level. They make no difference in demographics yet have to suffer the longest bus rides.

Interestingly they still felt like they had to put them through long bus rides. Since CB doesn't have enough white kids, they needed to lump the Rural Boyds kids with them. Just look at the before/after percentage of white and Asian kids at Neelsville and you'll understand why.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why on earth would I move to MoCo if all three of my kids will be bused to separate schools and not make friends in the neighborhood via local school we’d walk to?

Shall stay in DC. Hope we get into SWW in two years time!

Thanks dcum.

Yes, stay in the DC based rat race lottery system, all while pretending to care about racial equity. DC can keep you

[Anonymous]

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Sigh. You clearly don't have enough knowledge about this study to have an educated conversation about it.

Dude. We're talking about Cabin Branch. The neighborhood that was reassigned to Neelsville Middle School and Seneca Valley High School. The neighborhood where lots of black families and Latino families live, despite rhetoric that would make you believe that it's almost entirely a white and Asian-American area.

New poster here and CB resident. So much misinformation on this board. No one in Cabin Branch would say that it is majority white and Asian. And no one would say it is majority Black and Latino.

If it's not majority white and Asian, or majority black and Latino, then how is it racially discriminatory to send Cabin Branch kids to Neelsville instead of Rocky Hill?

CB has tons of Asian families. Rural Boyds is majority white.

How do you know? Rural boyds also has 5-6 kids per grade level. They make no difference in demographics yet have to suffer the longest bus rides.

Interestingly they still felt like they had to put them through long bus rides. Since CB doesn't have enough white kids, they needed to lump the Rural Boyds kids with them. Just look at the before/after percentage of white and Asian kids at Neelsville and you'll understand why.

Stop with the "Rural Boyds" thing. There is no such thing as "Rural Boyds." It's just Boyds. Also, there aren't enough kids of any sort to make any difference in anybody's numbers, and kids in Boyds will have long bus rides no matter where they're zoned. Just imagine how long the bus ride used to be, when Boyds was zoned for Damascus HS.

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Sigh. You clearly don't have enough knowledge about this study to have an educated conversation about it.

Dude. We're talking about Cabin Branch. The neighborhood that was reassigned to Neelsville Middle School and Seneca Valley High School. The neighborhood where lots of black families and Latino families live, despite rhetoric that would make you believe that it's almost entirely a white and Asian-American area.

New poster here and CB resident. So much misinformation on this board. No one in Cabin Branch would say that it is majority white and Asian. And no one would say it is majority Black and Latino.

If it's not majority white and Asian, or majority black and Latino, then how is it racially discriminatory to send Cabin Branch kids to Neelsville instead of Rocky Hill?

CB has tons of Asian families. Rural Boyds is majority white.

How do you know? Rural boyds also has 5-6 kids per grade level. They make no difference in demographics yet have to suffer the longest bus rides.

Interestingly they still felt like they had to put them through long bus rides. Since CB doesn't have enough white kids, they needed to lump the Rural Boyds kids with them. Just look at the before/after percentage of white and Asian kids at Neelsville and you'll understand why.

Stop with the "Rural Boyds" thing. There is no such thing as "Rural Boyds." It's just Boyds. Also, there aren't enough kids of any sort to make any difference in anybody's numbers, and kids in Boyds will have long bus rides no matter where they're zoned. Just imagine how long the bus ride used to be, when Boyds was zoned for Damascus HS.

Then tell MCPS to stop saying it. Also since their numbers don't make a difference then why move them even further than where they go now? What make them suffer more? Doesn't make sense does it?

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Where did MCPS refer to "Rural Boyds"? Link please.

MCPS rezoned everybody south/west of 270 (more or less). Did you think they should rezone just Cabin Branch? Then those Cabin Branch people who are up in arms would REALLY have been up in arms.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where did MCPS refer to "Rural Boyds"? Link please.

MCPS rezoned everybody south/west of 270 (more or less). Did you think they should rezone just Cabin Branch? Then those Cabin Branch people who are up in arms would REALLY have been up in arms.

south of 270? Or you mean north? How about schools close to SVHS, that would've made more sense, you know.. like Ron mcnair which is like 2 miles from Seneca Valley?

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Anonymous wrote:Where did MCPS refer to "Rural Boyds"? Link please.

MCPS rezoned everybody south/west of 270 (more or less). Did you think they should rezone just Cabin Branch? Then those Cabin Branch people who are up in arms would REALLY have been up in arms.

south of 270? Or you mean north? How about schools close to SVHS, that would've made more sense, you know.. like Ron mcnair which is like 2 miles from Seneca Valley?

No. South. Or west, if you prefer. Look at the map.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FOCUS, people. You are taking this thread off the rails.

The facts are that the board put out a proposed policy for public comment, then they made a substantial change to the proposed policy, and then they approved the new policy (without public comment or review). Any of you with any knowledge of public policy, legislation or rulemaking know that this would never stand up. THIS is why there is so much mistrust of the board and MCPS leadership.

Not true. They did open the changes up for review. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A7661eebc-f5d1-44bc-8ae5-7d4a85a29742

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Anonymous wrote:I know this is the unpopular opinion but it isn’t on middle class kids to throw a life line to the disenfranchised. If the premise is that school A is artificially better due to a concentration of good kids and school B is not good because concentrated not good kids. I’ll sue too if you want to send me form A to B. It is so bad it needs to be broken up!!! so send billy there to make it better even though no matter what it will still be mostly group B? No thank you

If we had hard working fire department with great equipment and lazy fire department and poor management and they wanted to redraw their boundaries to pick up nicer houses so that those owners could lite a fire (no pun) under the Underperforming station. That would be wrong too. Thing is most poor people like their schools in silver spring and Germantown. What people don’t like is the whole world sees them as 2nd class to the nice side of town. This seem more like an attempt of the have nots grasping at the current climate to strike a blow to the ”other side” knowing full well that it won’t actually do much good for the kids.

It simply isn’t the schools job to redistribute society.

Also I get it people think that they got a bad hand so why not take the cards back and reshuffle and see if it gets better. Let me tell you poor people still lose and the rich will be ok. The middle class will get pinched and in a few years there will be good schools with the least amount of those kids and bad schools with too many of those kids. The names on those schools might shift a bit but as it always was it will always be.

The BOE isn't redistributing society. It is managing MCPS public schools. And though you are correct that it is not the responsibility of the middle class to help the disenfranchised, it becomes a middle class issue when said middle class individuals make the conscious decision to participate in public entities.

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Anonymous wrote:FOCUS, people. You are taking this thread off the rails.

The facts are that the board put out a proposed policy for public comment, then they made a substantial change to the proposed policy, and then they approved the new policy (without public comment or review). Any of you with any knowledge of public policy, legislation or rulemaking know that this would never stand up. THIS is why there is so much mistrust of the board and MCPS leadership.

Not true. They did open the changes up for review. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3A7661eebc-f5d1-44bc-8ae5-7d4a85a29742

DP... even if they didn't, this wouldn't necessarily reverse the recent boundary changes since diversity was always one of the four factors. Unfortunately, it's not possible to have all four factors weighted equally.

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Anonymous wrote:
FOCUS, people. You are taking this thread off the rails.

The facts are that the board put out a proposed policy for public comment, then they made a substantial change to the proposed policy, and then they approved the new policy (without public comment or review). Any of you with any knowledge of public policy, legislation or rulemaking know that this would never stand up. THIS is why there is so much mistrust of the board and MCPS leadership.


Not true. They did open the changes up for review. https://documentcloud.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn...bc-f5d1-44bc-8ae5-7d4a85a29742

DP... even if they didn't, this wouldn't necessarily reverse the recent boundary changes since diversity was always one of the four factors. Unfortunately, it's not possible to have all four factors weighted equally.

The appeal is structured to give the state one opportunity to rule in favor of the residents without making a statement on whether MCPS' diversity priority equates to racial balancing. The state could say that the BOE did not follow established procedures and therefore must re-evaluate. The state could also determine that the BOE changed its wording expressly to justify the racial balancing it wanted to achieve and knock it down from there.

The BOE is already in a bad place as there is a legal difference between diversity being a factor and diversity being the more important factor. The BOE's position that diversity is the overwhelming factor comes precariously close to using demographics aka race to determine school boundaries.

Once this moves out of an appeal and hits the courts it is predictable that MCPS will win in liberal courts and lose in conservative courts.

The strategic question for the state or BOE is to either kick the can down the road by reversing their decision to rezone Cabin Branch which would make the CB case go away or go down the road with this one. Because of the their bad timing in inserting language to make diversity more important they may decide to kick the can down the road. They may decide its better to let this play out and go for a bigger larger bussing initiative throughout the county. Who knows.

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The appeal is structured to give the state one opportunity to rule in favor of the residents without making a statement on whether MCPS' diversity priority equates to racial balancing. The state could say that the BOE did not follow established procedures and therefore must re-evaluate. The state could also determine that the BOE changed its wording expressly to justify the racial balancing it wanted to achieve and knock it down from there.

The BOE is already in a bad place as there is a legal difference between diversity being a factor and diversity being the more important factor. The BOE's position that diversity is the overwhelming factor comes precariously close to using demographics aka race to determine school boundaries.

Once this moves out of an appeal and hits the courts it is predictable that MCPS will win in liberal courts and lose in conservative courts.

The strategic question for the state or BOE is to either kick the can down the road by reversing their decision to rezone Cabin Branch which would make the CB case go away or go down the road with this one. Because of the their bad timing in inserting language to make diversity more important they may decide to kick the can down the road. They may decide its better to let this play out and go for a bigger larger bussing initiative throughout the county. Who knows.

But, in fact, the BoE did follow established procedures.

And, in fact, the BoE did not reassign students from Rocky Hill to Neelsville based on their race.

Now, it's true that the BoE might suddenly change everything they've done so far by upholding the residents' appeal, just as it's true that little green octagons from Alpha Centauri might suddenly land in Canada tomorrow. It's pretty unlikely, though.

[Anonymous]

Folks should sue. MoCo assessed properties higher in better school areas hence collected more taxes. Therefore you can’t take it away without lowering property taxes