ASFS/Key Swap Off . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Have you ASF parents have no shame? Just continue to build yourself up by putting others down. You all are truly unbelievable - I'll be moving with Key wherever it goes so there is no chance I'll have to be in a school with you.

Why are you assuming that PP is an ASF parent?!

is this a serious question?

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Have you ASF parents have no shame? Just continue to build yourself up by putting others down. You all are truly unbelievable - I'll be moving with Key wherever it goes so there is no chance I'll have to be in a school with you.

Why are you assuming that PP is an ASF parent?!

is this a serious question?

Yes it is. No one from ASFS has any animosity towards Key (though it doesn't look like the same can be said of Key parents towards ASFS).
Its possible that people other than those at ASFS are paying attention to this issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

The swap originated with Lyon Village (they wanted to move and lock down the "science school" in their neighborhood) and were then joined by the Courthouse & Clarendon crew who also wanted to continue to go to the science school (and not be zoned to Longbranch). They eventually recruited the Rosslyn crew with the whole, you'll have the "longest bus ride" mantra if you don't swap the schools.

It will be interesting to see how these groups start turning on each other as boundaries are discussed. It, of course, would make sense to have diversity at both schools but the lobbying has already started to have all of Lyon Village go to the "new" school on Key Blvd, which would mean that many in Rosslyn would have to be bussed passed Key to ASFS, Taylor, etc. Remember all the bitterness in past threads about how, if a logical circle boundary was drawn around ASFS, it would create a new Taylor? And the implication that it was the walkers around ASFS pushing for this (which, of course, made no sense since if they had wanted to go to a non-diverse school, they would have just gone to Taylor)? Those posts were most likely coming from the Lyon Village crew who are worried that two neighborhood schools will split their neighborhood into the "Barrett" side and the ASFS side.

Hey joker, most of Rosslyn opposes the swap and just advocated for status quo with ASFS out of its boundary until a real solution could be offered.

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Hey joker, most of Rosslyn opposes the swap and just advocated for status quo with ASFS out of its boundary until a real solution could be offered.

That's interesting. I wonder where all these Rosslyn people were last spring and this fall when their newly elected PTA board members were praising the swap for keeping folks together and making plans to move the science lab?

I'm not saying that you are wrong that most of Rosslyn (or Lyon Village) etc. oppose the swap (maybe they do), but the folks representing and interfacing with APS on behalf of these groups have been pushing a different agenda.

Although now, of course, they are starting to sing a different tune.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Have you ASF parents have no shame? Just continue to build yourself up by putting others down. You all are truly unbelievable - I'll be moving with Key wherever it goes so there is no chance I'll have to be in a school with you.

Why are you assuming that PP is an ASF parent?!

is this a serious question?

Yes it is. No one from ASFS has any animosity towards Key (though it doesn't look like the same can be said of Key parents towards ASFS).
Its possible that people other than those at ASFS are paying attention to this issue.

In all fairness, although I do not believe anyone at ASFS has any animosity towards Key, there is probably some bitterness or frustration with the group of ASFS parents who pushed hard for the swap and feel like Key's efforts this past fall thwarted their efforts to place ASFS in the Lyon Village area. If you read through some of the previous threads or some of the AEM or ArlNow comments related to swap articles, there are definitely some ASFS parents who are dismissive of (or who try to negate) the Key parent's concerns about how the swap would affect their commute or access to the Lincoln Street building. On one hand, the ASFS parents cry foul about Rosslyn's "longest bus ride ever" but think it's no big deal for Key families to have to walk over a mile to and from the metro to get to Lincoln Street.

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Yes it is. No one from ASFS has any animosity towards Key (though it doesn't look like the same can be said of Key parents towards ASFS).
Its possible that people other than those at ASFS are paying attention to this issue.

In all fairness, although I do not believe anyone at ASFS has any animosity towards Key, there is probably some bitterness or frustration with the group of ASFS parents who pushed hard for the swap and feel like Key's efforts this past fall thwarted their efforts to place ASFS in the Lyon Village area. If you read through some of the previous threads or some of the AEM or ArlNow comments related to swap articles, there are definitely some ASFS parents who are dismissive of (or who try to negate) the Key parent's concerns about how the swap would affect their commute or access to the Lincoln Street building. On one hand, the ASFS parents cry foul about Rosslyn's "longest bus ride ever" but think it's no big deal for Key families to have to walk over a mile to and from the metro to get to Lincoln Street.

I think it's more of a question of whether a neighborhood school or option school has a greater claim to convenience and ease of access. You could flip your last sentence and say that Key families said moving the optional program a bit more than a mile would be a program killer, but it's no big deal for Rosslyn kids to be zoned to a school over 3 miles away and not have a choice to revert to a closer neighborhood school.

I really think both should and will be neighborhood. The whole swap was a silly idea. It will suck for Key families, particularly those who got in under neighborhood preference and had a win-win situation with their preferred location and program.

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Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

The swap originated with Lyon Village (they wanted to move and lock down the "science school" in their neighborhood) and were then joined by the Courthouse & Clarendon crew who also wanted to continue to go to the science school (and not be zoned to Longbranch). They eventually recruited the Rosslyn crew with the whole, you'll have the "longest bus ride" mantra if you don't swap the schools.

It will be interesting to see how these groups start turning on each other as boundaries are discussed. It, of course, would make sense to have diversity at both schools but the lobbying has already started to have all of Lyon Village go to the "new" school on Key Blvd, which would mean that many in Rosslyn would have to be bussed passed Key to ASFS, Taylor, etc. Remember all the bitterness in past threads about how, if a logical circle boundary was drawn around ASFS, it would create a new Taylor? And the implication that it was the walkers around ASFS pushing for this (which, of course, made no sense since if they had wanted to go to a non-diverse school, they would have just gone to Taylor)? Those posts were most likely coming from the Lyon Village crew who are worried that two neighborhood schools will split their neighborhood into the "Barrett" side and the ASFS side.

You are a liar with some kind of twisted agenda you are pushing.

Go take your fiction & drama elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Have you ASF parents have no shame? Just continue to build yourself up by putting others down. You all are truly unbelievable - I'll be moving with Key wherever it goes so there is no chance I'll have to be in a school with you.

Why are you assuming that PP is an ASF parent?!

is this a serious question?

Yes, of course. It's obvious you are bitter about something (who knows what) and are pushing some kind of twisted agenda here. Go crawl back under your rock.

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The argument on aem was that you can’t argue “key is the only school I can go to because it’s the only school I can walk to and I rely on walking to stay engaged in my kids life”. Since key is not a neighborhood school, and aps was proposing moving it to the current neighborhood school location, you’re basically saying that it’s impossible for parents from your neighborhood to attend their neighborhood school.
If that’s the case, there is something really wrong beyond any sort of boundary or swap discussion.

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Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

The swap originated with Lyon Village (they wanted to move and lock down the "science school" in their neighborhood) and were then joined by the Courthouse & Clarendon crew who also wanted to continue to go to the science school (and not be zoned to Longbranch). They eventually recruited the Rosslyn crew with the whole, you'll have the "longest bus ride" mantra if you don't swap the schools.

It will be interesting to see how these groups start turning on each other as boundaries are discussed. It, of course, would make sense to have diversity at both schools but the lobbying has already started to have all of Lyon Village go to the "new" school on Key Blvd, which would mean that many in Rosslyn would have to be bussed passed Key to ASFS, Taylor, etc. Remember all the bitterness in past threads about how, if a logical circle boundary was drawn around ASFS, it would create a new Taylor? And the implication that it was the walkers around ASFS pushing for this (which, of course, made no sense since if they had wanted to go to a non-diverse school, they would have just gone to Taylor)? Those posts were most likely coming from the Lyon Village crew who are worried that two neighborhood schools will split their neighborhood into the "Barrett" side and the ASFS side.

Hey joker, most of Rosslyn opposes the swap and just advocated for status quo with ASFS out of its boundary until a real solution could be offered.

Seriously? I can’t keep up around here. What made them change their position?

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Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

The swap originated with Lyon Village (they wanted to move and lock down the "science school" in their neighborhood) and were then joined by the Courthouse & Clarendon crew who also wanted to continue to go to the science school (and not be zoned to Longbranch). They eventually recruited the Rosslyn crew with the whole, you'll have the "longest bus ride" mantra if you don't swap the schools.

It will be interesting to see how these groups start turning on each other as boundaries are discussed. It, of course, would make sense to have diversity at both schools but the lobbying has already started to have all of Lyon Village go to the "new" school on Key Blvd, which would mean that many in Rosslyn would have to be bussed passed Key to ASFS, Taylor, etc. Remember all the bitterness in past threads about how, if a logical circle boundary was drawn around ASFS, it would create a new Taylor? And the implication that it was the walkers around ASFS pushing for this (which, of course, made no sense since if they had wanted to go to a non-diverse school, they would have just gone to Taylor)? Those posts were most likely coming from the Lyon Village crew who are worried that two neighborhood schools will split their neighborhood into the "Barrett" side and the ASFS side.

Hey joker, most of Rosslyn opposes the swap and just advocated for status quo with ASFS out of its boundary until a real solution could be offered.

Seriously? I can’t keep up around here. What made them change their position?

Let me rephrase. Rosalyn just wants to stay in ASFS community; status quo or swap maintaining same boundaries would do that — swapping is of no benefit bc the schools are ver close to each other and about same bus ride (vs Taylor which is way up Lee and Military rd).

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Anonymous wrote:The argument on aem was that you can’t argue “key is the only school I can go to because it’s the only school I can walk to and I rely on walking to stay engaged in my kids life”. Since key is not a neighborhood school, and aps was proposing moving it to the current neighborhood school location, you’re basically saying that it’s impossible for parents from your neighborhood to attend their neighborhood school.
If that’s the case, there is something really wrong beyond any sort of boundary or swap discussion.

Until this year, Key was the neighborhood school and ASFS was the alternative. So yes, the swap was going to effectively move the long-standing neighborhood school to a new location. And remember, the swap only *works* if all the Key students *don't* go to their neighborhood school, i.e., if you look at APS' memos justifying the swap, it presumes (and relies on) everyone currently at Key moving with the program so that there would be room in the Key building for a majority of the current ASFS' families. The message to the Key families who live in the Key zone was, hey, we've got to make room for the ASFS families because this is really *their* neighborhood school and you need to move over to Lincoln Street.

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Anonymous wrote:The argument on aem was that you can’t argue “key is the only school I can go to because it’s the only school I can walk to and I rely on walking to stay engaged in my kids life”. Since key is not a neighborhood school, and aps was proposing moving it to the current neighborhood school location, you’re basically saying that it’s impossible for parents from your neighborhood to attend their neighborhood school.
If that’s the case, there is something really wrong beyond any sort of boundary or swap discussion.

Until this year, Key was the neighborhood school and ASFS was the alternative. So yes, the swap was going to effectively move the long-standing neighborhood school to a new location. And remember, the swap only *works* if all the Key students *don't* go to their neighborhood school, i.e., if you look at APS' memos justifying the swap, it presumes (and relies on) everyone currently at Key moving with the program so that there would be room in the Key building for a majority of the current ASFS' families. The message to the Key families who live in the Key zone was, hey, we've got to make room for the ASFS families because this is really *their* neighborhood school and you need to move over to Lincoln Street.

Operative word: was

The program needs to move to make room for incoming neighborhood kids. It's not a neighborhood school anymore. By the time anything moves in 2021, the last kids to come in as neighborhood preference (2017 K class) will be in 4th grade. By 2023 they will be gone entirely.

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Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

The swap originated with Lyon Village (they wanted to move and lock down the "science school" in their neighborhood) and were then joined by the Courthouse & Clarendon crew who also wanted to continue to go to the science school (and not be zoned to Longbranch). They eventually recruited the Rosslyn crew with the whole, you'll have the "longest bus ride" mantra if you don't swap the schools.

It will be interesting to see how these groups start turning on each other as boundaries are discussed. It, of course, would make sense to have diversity at both schools but the lobbying has already started to have all of Lyon Village go to the "new" school on Key Blvd, which would mean that many in Rosslyn would have to be bussed passed Key to ASFS, Taylor, etc. Remember all the bitterness in past threads about how, if a logical circle boundary was drawn around ASFS, it would create a new Taylor? And the implication that it was the walkers around ASFS pushing for this (which, of course, made no sense since if they had wanted to go to a non-diverse school, they would have just gone to Taylor)? Those posts were most likely coming from the Lyon Village crew who are worried that two neighborhood schools will split their neighborhood into the "Barrett" side and the ASFS side.

You are a liar with some kind of twisted agenda you are pushing.

Go take your fiction & drama elsewhere.

Okay, so where did the swap originate? Because according to APS staff, it was a very involved ASFS parent who originated the idea several years ago. Which, on its face makes some sense. APS has shown it's pretty persuadable and relies on community input to make decisions. And no one from Key would obviously want the swap. But there is undeniably at least a small group of parents at ASFS who was pushing the swap last spring (emails, lobbying at office hours, etc.). Of course, I do not put it past APS to lie (about who came up with the swap idea) but this ASFS/Key thread has definitely taken a different turn from all the other threads over the last year-- last year there were strong-swap supporters constantly on this site saying the swap was the best thing ever. Now that APS is having to walk back it's decision on the swap, though, everyone is now saying hey, we never wanted the swap. If it were truly the case that ASFS didn't want the swap, where was the outrage when the swap was announced? Or the lobbying along side Key to stop the swap?

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Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

The swap originated with Lyon Village (they wanted to move and lock down the "science school" in their neighborhood) and were then joined by the Courthouse & Clarendon crew who also wanted to continue to go to the science school (and not be zoned to Longbranch). They eventually recruited the Rosslyn crew with the whole, you'll have the "longest bus ride" mantra if you don't swap the schools.

It will be interesting to see how these groups start turning on each other as boundaries are discussed. It, of course, would make sense to have diversity at both schools but the lobbying has already started to have all of Lyon Village go to the "new" school on Key Blvd, which would mean that many in Rosslyn would have to be bussed passed Key to ASFS, Taylor, etc. Remember all the bitterness in past threads about how, if a logical circle boundary was drawn around ASFS, it would create a new Taylor? And the implication that it was the walkers around ASFS pushing for this (which, of course, made no sense since if they had wanted to go to a non-diverse school, they would have just gone to Taylor)? Those posts were most likely coming from the Lyon Village crew who are worried that two neighborhood schools will split their neighborhood into the "Barrett" side and the ASFS side.

You are a liar with some kind of twisted agenda you are pushing.

Go take your fiction & drama elsewhere.

Guess you missed the meeting at the LV Community House between LV and Courthouse about the swap? And the form letters supporting the swap that were circulated amongst their civic association members?