ASFS/Key Swap Off . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Scrambling...for what? Another Spanish Speaking summer program?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

By this, I presume you mean its 'sudden' non-appearance in the catalogue? or lack of "community input" first?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Yes, if it isn't even in the catalogue, I doubt the teachers for the program were surprised and therefore now "scrambling" to find new work late in the game.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Have you ASF parents have no shame? Just continue to build yourself up by putting others down. You all are truly unbelievable - I'll be moving with Key wherever it goes so there is no chance I'll have to be in a school with you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the Spanish speaking PP above, I didn’t make any snarky comments about a website. I have no idea what any website says. I was responding to another poster basically calling everyone with an opinion about Spanish speakers racists.

Spanish speaking PP above, the Key parents all talked about how vital it was for the school to be located near them and how they struggled and made sacrifices to afford the area around Key so they could send their kids there. If you look at the county demographics and projections, “Key on Key” just doesn’t make sense if what APS wants to do is make Immersion more accessible to Hispanic families, especially disadvantaged ones. The overwhelming majority of Hispanic families do not, and will not, live in walking distance to Key.

I call total BS on any one who says they bought a house walkable to Key for immersion. No one buys a house on Lyon village for immersion. They buy them because they have money to burn. These are people can walk to the metro but drive the Audi instead. They could've bought 2 houses in SA for what they paid and walked to claremont immersion. But then they'd have to go to sA middle and high school. That's why they bought in Lyon village.

I did and many of my friends did.

[Anonymous]

Marks in south Arlington are not going anywhere, so when thinking about where the poor Hispanic people live, it isn’t just cafs.

I don’t understand the poster above who doesn’t think that Hispanics primarily live in cafs. They have kids here, so they get into cafs. I live right next to one and can see who goes in and out every day. Who is driving cars. It is overwhelmingly Hispanic. Parents, kids and grandparents all in the same apartment. It only takes one kid born in this country to get in. Section 8 vouchers are more restrictive, but many come from Central American and before trump they were able to seek asylum.


And everyone lives in marks too. As far as the schools go and where they are placed, the distinction is irrelevant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

By this, I presume you mean its 'sudden' non-appearance in the catalogue? or lack of "community input" first?

The catalog came out like three days ago. The announcement to the community was also very recent. A lot of parents were expecting to send their kids there and are now looking for something else.

A Key K parent who didn’t even know it was a thing until people started complaining about it being canceled

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Wow...I have to scramble every year. I didn't realize one of the benefits of immersion was having basically a year round program. What a luxury for Key families what a waste of APS $$$.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why was summer school immersion removed this year?

Where did you see this?

There have been a number of emails from Key. It’s also not in the catalog.

There is a wide range of speculation, but the most likely answer is that the current APS leadership does not value the immersion program. The abrupt way it was done suggests it was not something they thought through and some speculate it was vindictive in response to community push back over the swap.

Wow, we were considering immersion for our rising K-er (we are not in the ASFS zone, btw), but I'm really concerned about the future of the program.

Why was it discounted? It should have been the full price like APS summer school enrichment.

An even better question is why didn’t they convert it to a regular paid enrichment program rather than just canceling it. There was no need to go nuclear on it and i think that’s why some people think this was bad faith or at least indifference towards the program rather than a well reasoned way to keep costs down. This impacts the students, the teachers, and extended day staff. A lot of people are scrambling right now.

Just another Key parent crying wolf. Scrambling before they can even register for APS Summer School or Parks and Rec Summer camps. What a false alarm. How can we believe anything you say??

Have you ASF parents have no shame? Just continue to build yourself up by putting others down. You all are truly unbelievable - I'll be moving with Key wherever it goes so there is no chance I'll have to be in a school with you.

Why are you assuming that PP is an ASF parent?!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Roslyn has cafs and more on the way. There will be plenty of poor Hispanic kids around the school once queens court opens up.

The issue here is that the county has lots of poor Spanish speaking elementary kids, many many many more than could ever fit into an immersion school. What, 350 kids per school? There are more than 350 poor Spanish speaking kids within less than a block of Columbia pike. There are more than that (I believe) in barcroft apartments alone. Ismmersion isn’t going to solve anyone’s problems here.

I heard that the inhabitants of CAFs tend to not be Hispanic. I don’t know if that’s true or not, APAH doesn’t publish anything. Honestly it doesn’t really matter. Any school in that building will be socioeconomically diverse and the neighborhood seats are needed. Current Key families, who mostly draw from the old Key zone, Taylor, and Long Branch will fight moving because it’s super convenient for them. There’s no compelling reason the program has to be on Key.

They also don't want key to move because ... property values. Without immersion, key is basically Barrett.

Not true at all. There’s no neighborhood preference at key. Why would it moving have any effect on the property values or rent.
A neighborhood school at key would be basically a lot like asfs (since 90% of the school currently lives in the key/asfs boundary). Pretty diverse, kind of like glebe. I imagine that there may be more sed kids there since a lot of people won’t move with key, but there are a lot of English learners anyways so I’m not sure it’ll really change it that much.

It would have a higher FARMS rate than ASFS (23%). How high depends on how far immersion moves and how they draw the lines between two neighborhood schools at Key and ASFS (if that is what happens). I think 40-50% FARMS at new Key is a real possibility. Glebe, FWIW is at 15%, so not really a good comparison.

It’ll be fine— contrary to what they say at school board meetings, no one at asfs is afraid of poor people. Most people you talk to live in the neighborhood because of schools, specifically because of the diversity at asfs versus taylor.
They will likely draw some very gerrymandered looking boundaries if the FARMS rate for the current key zone is really 40-50%. New asfs according to aps would have been 5-10% FARMS if they drew a logical boundary (this was one of their arguments for the swap).

If both schools become neighborhood, they should definitely gerrymander to even out the FARMS rate between the two. Dumb not to when you have the opportunity at the outset.

I think the asfs neighborhood seems generally open to diversity. Is this also true of the Rosslyn crew that seems to be a driving force behind the swap? I don’t know the answer to the question, but I assume their attitude, whatever it may be, will impact how the boundaries are or are not gerrymandered.

The swap originated with Lyon Village (they wanted to move and lock down the "science school" in their neighborhood) and were then joined by the Courthouse & Clarendon crew who also wanted to continue to go to the science school (and not be zoned to Longbranch). They eventually recruited the Rosslyn crew with the whole, you'll have the "longest bus ride" mantra if you don't swap the schools.

It will be interesting to see how these groups start turning on each other as boundaries are discussed. It, of course, would make sense to have diversity at both schools but the lobbying has already started to have all of Lyon Village go to the "new" school on Key Blvd, which would mean that many in Rosslyn would have to be bussed passed Key to ASFS, Taylor, etc. Remember all the bitterness in past threads about how, if a logical circle boundary was drawn around ASFS, it would create a new Taylor? And the implication that it was the walkers around ASFS pushing for this (which, of course, made no sense since if they had wanted to go to a non-diverse school, they would have just gone to Taylor)? Those posts were most likely coming from the Lyon Village crew who are worried that two neighborhood schools will split their neighborhood into the "Barrett" side and the ASFS side.