How do you justify buying from a breeder instead of rescuing a mutt?

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Anonymous wrote:No, I want selfish bitches like you to stop buying genetically-made dogs for a massive profit that increases puppy mills and breeders across the country, so that maybe the 670,000 dogs that have to die each year have a chance to live. That is all.

I think everyone is in agreement that buying animals from puppy mills is bad, or at least those of us having a reasoned discussion are. Stop with the name-calling. Puppy mills contribute to the problem. Ethical breeders who work closely with the AKC and focus on one or possibly two litters a year are not your problem here. Understand the difference.

In the same way that not all shelters or rescues are unethical, nor are all those who produce pure-bred dogs.

Yes, they are. Why on earth do you have to have a purebred dog? Do you feel that same way about the human race?

Because it is the only way we can ensure the dog is less allergenic, if he or she belongs to a short list of certain breeds. If the dog is partly from those breeds, but not entirely, he may very well turn out to be too allergenic for us.

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1. We needed one of a very limited list of specific breeds known for being less allergenic (less dander). None of them could be found at local shelters or rescues.

2. Temperament is largely inherited, and we wanted to be sure of getting a sociable, friendly dog. One of the many duties of a good breeder is make the lineage characteristics known to prospective buyers. Our dog's parents and grandparents are all very social, and so is he and his littermates.


You appear to be confused about the differences between puppy mills, backyard breeders and reputable breeders. The first is by definition unethical. The second may not place the dogs' interest first, either through ignorance, lack of means, or cruelty. The third should be the only genetically and ethically sound solution to pet ownership.

Reputable breeders are passionate about their work and it usually costs them much more than any income from dog sales or stud fees. Call it an expensive second job, if you will. They attach great importance to weeding out genetically-inherited diseases that have developed through the decades by poor breeding programs, by testing every single dog they own and entering all results - both good and bad - in the national dog health database (CHIC). They do not breed unhealthy carriers.

Our breeder set a camera 24/7 in the whelping pen she had constructed in her bedroom, so that we could check on the puppies and dam at any moment, right from birth.

We saw the breeder handle the puppies every single day, as she should, to habituate them to human handling. I can clean my dog's ears, clip his nails, take away embedded thorns in his pads, clean very sensitive areas, take away his food, clean his teeth, place medication down his throat, and he will not flinch. That is a result of proper handling.

The breeder exposed them to all kinds of city and farm noises, so they wouldn't be jumpy creatures.
She leash-trained and started to potty-train them before we picked up our puppy at 9 weeks.

We visited her home, and the dogs were well cared for. Good breeders care for a small number of dogs, which live inside the home and not in a kennel. They do not breed mothers often. Our breeder manages a birth once every two years and allows two pregnancies per dam.

What a total crock of shit on the money issue. You can not be that dumb to believe they are doing this for good will.

Also, I received all of my rescues as puppies and did all of the same handling and have had wonderful loving social dogs. I didn't have to pay anyone to do this. How lazy are you? I bet you had a wet nurse and a Nanny too, right?

I am on the dog show circuit, so I KNOW breeders. I believe them as you would believe your good friends when they tell you about their hobbies and passions.

Same for horse breeders, or any other reputable animal breeder.

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Can I just say here that the OP, or whoever is responding with insults and a very short-sighted and narrow view of dogs' best interests, seems a little disturbed.

I hope he or she gets some professional help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. We needed one of a very limited list of specific breeds known for being less allergenic (less dander). None of them could be found at local shelters or rescues.

2. Temperament is largely inherited, and we wanted to be sure of getting a sociable, friendly dog. One of the many duties of a good breeder is make the lineage characteristics known to prospective buyers. Our dog's parents and grandparents are all very social, and so is he and his littermates.


You appear to be confused about the differences between puppy mills, backyard breeders and reputable breeders. The first is by definition unethical. The second may not place the dogs' interest first, either through ignorance, lack of means, or cruelty. The third should be the only genetically and ethically sound solution to pet ownership.

Reputable breeders are passionate about their work and it usually costs them much more than any income from dog sales or stud fees. Call it an expensive second job, if you will. They attach great importance to weeding out genetically-inherited diseases that have developed through the decades by poor breeding programs, by testing every single dog they own and entering all results - both good and bad - in the national dog health database (CHIC). They do not breed unhealthy carriers.

Our breeder set a camera 24/7 in the whelping pen she had constructed in her bedroom, so that we could check on the puppies and dam at any moment, right from birth.

We saw the breeder handle the puppies every single day, as she should, to habituate them to human handling. I can clean my dog's ears, clip his nails, take away embedded thorns in his pads, clean very sensitive areas, take away his food, clean his teeth, place medication down his throat, and he will not flinch. That is a result of proper handling.

The breeder exposed them to all kinds of city and farm noises, so they wouldn't be jumpy creatures.
She leash-trained and started to potty-train them before we picked up our puppy at 9 weeks.

We visited her home, and the dogs were well cared for. Good breeders care for a small number of dogs, which live inside the home and not in a kennel. They do not breed mothers often. Our breeder manages a birth once every two years and allows two pregnancies per dam.

What a total crock of shit on the money issue. You can not be that dumb to believe they are doing this for good will.

Also, I received all of my rescues as puppies and did all of the same handling and have had wonderful loving social dogs. I didn't have to pay anyone to do this. How lazy are you? I bet you had a wet nurse and a Nanny too, right?

I am on the dog show circuit, so I KNOW breeders. I believe them as you would believe your good friends when they tell you about their hobbies and passions.

Same for horse breeders, or any other reputable animal breeder.

On the dog show circuit? You're even worse than a breeder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. We needed one of a very limited list of specific breeds known for being less allergenic (less dander). None of them could be found at local shelters or rescues.

2. Temperament is largely inherited, and we wanted to be sure of getting a sociable, friendly dog. One of the many duties of a good breeder is make the lineage characteristics known to prospective buyers. Our dog's parents and grandparents are all very social, and so is he and his littermates.


You appear to be confused about the differences between puppy mills, backyard breeders and reputable breeders. The first is by definition unethical. The second may not place the dogs' interest first, either through ignorance, lack of means, or cruelty. The third should be the only genetically and ethically sound solution to pet ownership.

Reputable breeders are passionate about their work and it usually costs them much more than any income from dog sales or stud fees. Call it an expensive second job, if you will. They attach great importance to weeding out genetically-inherited diseases that have developed through the decades by poor breeding programs, by testing every single dog they own and entering all results - both good and bad - in the national dog health database (CHIC). They do not breed unhealthy carriers.

Our breeder set a camera 24/7 in the whelping pen she had constructed in her bedroom, so that we could check on the puppies and dam at any moment, right from birth.

We saw the breeder handle the puppies every single day, as she should, to habituate them to human handling. I can clean my dog's ears, clip his nails, take away embedded thorns in his pads, clean very sensitive areas, take away his food, clean his teeth, place medication down his throat, and he will not flinch. That is a result of proper handling.

The breeder exposed them to all kinds of city and farm noises, so they wouldn't be jumpy creatures.
She leash-trained and started to potty-train them before we picked up our puppy at 9 weeks.

We visited her home, and the dogs were well cared for. Good breeders care for a small number of dogs, which live inside the home and not in a kennel. They do not breed mothers often. Our breeder manages a birth once every two years and allows two pregnancies per dam.

What a total crock of shit on the money issue. You can not be that dumb to believe they are doing this for good will.

Also, I received all of my rescues as puppies and did all of the same handling and have had wonderful loving social dogs. I didn't have to pay anyone to do this. How lazy are you? I bet you had a wet nurse and a Nanny too, right?

I am on the dog show circuit, so I KNOW breeders. I believe them as you would believe your good friends when they tell you about their hobbies and passions.

Same for horse breeders, or any other reputable animal breeder.

+1 My family does agility contests with a very specific breed of dog. They have two dogs right now of this breed. One they purchased from the breeder, who they are close to through these circles, and one was given to them by the breeder. The dog that was given to them was one that someone purchased from the breeder but through a turn of events that nobody could have foreseen (the buyers, who were good owners, died suddenly and their kids took the dog) the dog was being neglected badly. The breeder lost a ton of money buying back the dog, having him cared for medically, and taking care of him until she found a home for him with my family (she only would have given him to a family who had one of their dogs and took excellent care of it).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. We needed one of a very limited list of specific breeds known for being less allergenic (less dander). None of them could be found at local shelters or rescues.

2. Temperament is largely inherited, and we wanted to be sure of getting a sociable, friendly dog. One of the many duties of a good breeder is make the lineage characteristics known to prospective buyers. Our dog's parents and grandparents are all very social, and so is he and his littermates.


You appear to be confused about the differences between puppy mills, backyard breeders and reputable breeders. The first is by definition unethical. The second may not place the dogs' interest first, either through ignorance, lack of means, or cruelty. The third should be the only genetically and ethically sound solution to pet ownership.

Reputable breeders are passionate about their work and it usually costs them much more than any income from dog sales or stud fees. Call it an expensive second job, if you will. They attach great importance to weeding out genetically-inherited diseases that have developed through the decades by poor breeding programs, by testing every single dog they own and entering all results - both good and bad - in the national dog health database (CHIC). They do not breed unhealthy carriers.

Our breeder set a camera 24/7 in the whelping pen she had constructed in her bedroom, so that we could check on the puppies and dam at any moment, right from birth.

We saw the breeder handle the puppies every single day, as she should, to habituate them to human handling. I can clean my dog's ears, clip his nails, take away embedded thorns in his pads, clean very sensitive areas, take away his food, clean his teeth, place medication down his throat, and he will not flinch. That is a result of proper handling.

The breeder exposed them to all kinds of city and farm noises, so they wouldn't be jumpy creatures.
She leash-trained and started to potty-train them before we picked up our puppy at 9 weeks.

We visited her home, and the dogs were well cared for. Good breeders care for a small number of dogs, which live inside the home and not in a kennel. They do not breed mothers often. Our breeder manages a birth once every two years and allows two pregnancies per dam.

What a total crock of shit on the money issue. You can not be that dumb to believe they are doing this for good will.

Also, I received all of my rescues as puppies and did all of the same handling and have had wonderful loving social dogs. I didn't have to pay anyone to do this. How lazy are you? I bet you had a wet nurse and a Nanny too, right?

I am on the dog show circuit, so I KNOW breeders. I believe them as you would believe your good friends when they tell you about their hobbies and passions.

Same for horse breeders, or any other reputable animal breeder.

On the dog show circuit? You're even worse than a breeder.

Well, we can stop the discussion here. Proof positive that you know nothing!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
1. We needed one of a very limited list of specific breeds known for being less allergenic (less dander). None of them could be found at local shelters or rescues.

2. Temperament is largely inherited, and we wanted to be sure of getting a sociable, friendly dog. One of the many duties of a good breeder is make the lineage characteristics known to prospective buyers. Our dog's parents and grandparents are all very social, and so is he and his littermates.


You appear to be confused about the differences between puppy mills, backyard breeders and reputable breeders. The first is by definition unethical. The second may not place the dogs' interest first, either through ignorance, lack of means, or cruelty. The third should be the only genetically and ethically sound solution to pet ownership.

Reputable breeders are passionate about their work and it usually costs them much more than any income from dog sales or stud fees. Call it an expensive second job, if you will. They attach great importance to weeding out genetically-inherited diseases that have developed through the decades by poor breeding programs, by testing every single dog they own and entering all results - both good and bad - in the national dog health database (CHIC). They do not breed unhealthy carriers.

Our breeder set a camera 24/7 in the whelping pen she had constructed in her bedroom, so that we could check on the puppies and dam at any moment, right from birth.

We saw the breeder handle the puppies every single day, as she should, to habituate them to human handling. I can clean my dog's ears, clip his nails, take away embedded thorns in his pads, clean very sensitive areas, take away his food, clean his teeth, place medication down his throat, and he will not flinch. That is a result of proper handling.

The breeder exposed them to all kinds of city and farm noises, so they wouldn't be jumpy creatures.
She leash-trained and started to potty-train them before we picked up our puppy at 9 weeks.

We visited her home, and the dogs were well cared for. Good breeders care for a small number of dogs, which live inside the home and not in a kennel. They do not breed mothers often. Our breeder manages a birth once every two years and allows two pregnancies per dam.

What a total crock of shit on the money issue. You can not be that dumb to believe they are doing this for good will.

Also, I received all of my rescues as puppies and did all of the same handling and have had wonderful loving social dogs. I didn't have to pay anyone to do this. How lazy are you? I bet you had a wet nurse and a Nanny too, right?

I am on the dog show circuit, so I KNOW breeders. I believe them as you would believe your good friends when they tell you about their hobbies and passions.

Same for horse breeders, or any other reputable animal breeder.

On the dog show circuit? You're even worse than a breeder.

Well, we can stop the discussion here. Proof positive that you know nothing!

Not OP, but I know plenty.

https://prime.peta.org/2016/02/there-are-no-winners-at-westminster-2

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"Dogs deserve better than to suffer and die for a 'beauty' pageant."

-- PETA

I don't agree with PETA on everything, but I sure as hell do on this.

[Anonymous]

If you are quoting PETA to make your point, you have already lost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the breeders don't do home inspections, interviews, or anything like that? Just show up with some money and here is your genetically made dog? That is super sketchy.

Also, why did you all give birth to random kids. Why didn't you genetically modify your kids to your liking. It is no different.

Our breeder was super picky, made us do multiple interviews and delivered the dog herself so she could see our house. She also promised us most of our money back if the dog didn't work for our family--she wanted the dog back rather than have us sell it to someone she didn't know. (We would never do that, of course.)

Breeding animals is not something new. Welcome to the bronze age.

You are fooling yourself if you think that your breeder is breeding for anything other than to make money. Of course they are picky about who the dog goes with, if there are problems it comes back to haunt them and their business. It’s a money making venture. How much did you pay for your dog, after all?

$1200 for our gorgeous cane corso. We also have a delightful terrier mix that we *literally* rescued from the side of the road in rural WV and my mother's elderly dachshund who joined us when she passed away.

Shame on you.

LOL, who are you to judge how I spend my money?

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Because we have had German Shepherds in our family for the past 40 years and most of the German Shepherds found in shelters/rescues are unsound and would not make good family pets. So, we have gotten 4 German Shepherds from breeders over the past 40 years.

I currently have a 14-year-old spaniel-pointer mix that I got from Lost Dog and Cat Rescue about 10 years ago, but I am excited about getting a German Shepherd puppy from a breeder once our current dog passes on. As much as I love my spaniel mix, he is nothing like a Shepherd.

[Anonymous]

I am a relatively new dog owner and am concerned. Will having a dog cause me to become unhinged like so many on this thread?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a relatively new dog owner and am concerned. Will having a dog cause me to become unhinged like so many on this thread?

Not if you go to an ethical breeder.

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Anonymous wrote:The anger of pro-shelter people is unreal. You really don't want to understand, and are unwilling to accept any consideration that people have valid reasons for making different choices.

DP I would never judge anyone because family members have gotten dogs from breeders but, I worry about the dogs themselves. Even good breeders are doing damage to dogs as they breed sons and mothers and daughters and fathers. Humans are ruining dog breeds that used to be healthy and now because of humans valuing weird traits the dogs are suffering:

German Shepherds who can't walk because of their sloop is so extreme, English and French bulldogs that can't breathe, golden retrievers with bad hips..ridgebacks without ridges are being killed because people want that ridge even if it would be considered a deformity.

.the more humans mess with dogs the more messed up they get. Mutts are not perfect but, health wise they are generally healthy.

There was a British show about how the "purebred" dogs are actually becoming less purebred. I think it was a BBC show about the and it was fascinating and very sad.

In the end the dogs will suffer just because people want to make money and other people want their product..simple.


https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/pedigree-dogs-exposed/

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Anonymous wrote:I am a relatively new dog owner and am concerned. Will having a dog cause me to become unhinged like so many on this thread?

I'd hardly call being passionate about the humane treatment of helpless animals being "unhinged." With so many perfectly healthy and lovable dogs available for adoption from so many legitimate sources -- rescues and shelters alike -- it's quite legitimate to ask why in the world is it so important that people pay thousands of dollars to have a designer dog created for them? It's just such a selfish and showy thing to do.