UVA Student Released from North Korea; Has Been in a Coma for a Year?

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta LOL. The Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again. People are responsible for doing stupid things. Unless they are wealthy white men. Or POTUS. In which case-- let's nuke them. Just awesome.

No one on this thread is claiming that Otto didn't do stupid things. No one.

But if Otto had a different skin color or Obama had been the one to secure Otto's release rather than Trump many of you judgmental liberals would be singing a different tune.

I recall trading, what, five terrorists for one traitor with his father dancing around in the Rose Garden speaking Arabic. HE was important.

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta LOL. The Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again. People are responsible for doing stupid things. Unless they are wealthy white men. Or POTUS. In which case-- let's nuke them. Just awesome.

I got a better idea. Let's let a rogue nation brutalize one of our citizens for taking a poster down in a hotel. Then let's do nothing about it. Sound good?

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Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for the parents.

Me too; now their son is a vegetable. It's unfortunate their son made such poor choices.

Did Bergdahl make a poor choice, leaving his platoon into the arms of terrorists in Afghanistan?

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Anonymous wrote:So many judgmental people on DCUM. Unless you live in glass houses, your kids will get in trouble someday too and do something stupid.

This isn't a matter of "stupid," like posting a dick pic or sneaking out in the middle of the night and taking the car.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

It does matter if we 'like' their laws when their laws are not laws. You understand this man is starving his own people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta LOL. The Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again. People are responsible for doing stupid things. Unless they are wealthy white men. Or POTUS. In which case-- let's nuke them. Just awesome.

No one on this thread is claiming that Otto didn't do stupid things. No one.

But if Otto had a different skin color or Obama had been the one to secure Otto's release rather than Trump many of you judgmental liberals would be singing a different tune.

Yes, what about the other three Americans. Too yellow for Trump?

I am sure our government is working on their release as well. But Otto's release had nothing to do with skin color and everything to do with being in a coma for over a year.

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Anonymous wrote:LOL, based on the stupid Rs posting here, Trump would be advised to start a war in N. Korea because...Otto! Then people will not be talking about his obstruction or collusion, they'll be nodding approvingly because..war. strong. Otto.

I pay as much attention to those posters as I do to the equally vindictive posters who say the kid got what was coming to him and deserved to be beaten to a pulp. SMH.

Who said he "deserved" it?

Read the thread.

I've already read every post. Don't recall a single post saying he "deserved" it. Cite an example or I call BS.

So what you are saying is unless someone outwardly uses those words, it's not so? What do you think all the comments about not traveling there in the first place were about? Those that criticized his character? Liberals love to step in their own crap and then point fingers.

I don't think you are interpreting correctly. We don't want to go to war over this, not when there is at least some personal responsibility on Otto's part. How many more sons and daughters would come home dead or irrevocably damaged if we impetuously go to war?

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Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

It does matter if we 'like' their laws when their laws are not laws. You understand this man is starving his own people?

OK Captain Zobvious, what should we do? Start a ground war that will result in the deaths of millions of people on the Korean Peninsula?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

It does matter if we 'like' their laws when their laws are not laws. You understand this man is starving his own people?

Time for some regime change, eh? A land war in Asia! What could go wrong?

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think it was strange that they are reporting he was in a coma for a year? So he was in a north korean hospital this whole time? It just sounds strange to me.

There was a news article that quoted several other released North Korean prisoners who said that they were generally treated well from a health perspective, and not beaten/tortured, and had their health monitored, because NK did not want and American prisoner to die. That's why I find it credible that maybe Otto did have some kind of viral illness that affected his brain and/or caused paralysis. Even something like Guillan Barre. Or an overdose/suicide attempt.

Apologist for a brutal dictator who kills and starves his own people.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Gotta LOL. The Party of Personal Responsibility strikes again. People are responsible for doing stupid things. Unless they are wealthy white men. Or POTUS. In which case-- let's nuke them. Just awesome.

No one on this thread is claiming that Otto didn't do stupid things. No one.

But if Otto had a different skin color or Obama had been the one to secure Otto's release rather than Trump many of you judgmental liberals would be singing a different tune.

FFS. Aside from the Worm, with the backing of some weed business, brown people are smart enough not to visit N. Korea.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for the parents.

Me too; now their son is a vegetable. It's unfortunate their son made such poor choices.

Did Bergdahl make a poor choice, leaving his platoon into the arms of terrorists in Afghanistan?

Yes, he did. Sorry, what's the point? They both made poor choices. They both suffered consequences. Bergdahl is on trial. Duh.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

It does matter if we 'like' their laws when their laws are not laws. You understand this man is starving his own people?

OK Captain Zobvious, what should we do? Start a ground war that will result in the deaths of millions of people on the Korean Peninsula?

Ground wars are obsolete.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I feel sorry for the parents.

Me too; now their son is a vegetable. It's unfortunate their son made such poor choices.

Did Bergdahl make a poor choice, leaving his platoon into the arms of terrorists in Afghanistan?

Yes, he did. Sorry, what's the point? They both made poor choices. They both suffered consequences. Bergdahl is on trial. Duh.

Obama made Bergdahl seem a freaking national hero. For deserting his post and siding with the enemy. Duh.

And they got five terrorists back as part of the deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are you making this a partisan issue? I am a Democrat who has no love for N Korea.

Re-read this thread.

DP. You can't honestly believe that non-hypocritical conservatives also think Otto should have never been in NK. Requiring someone to think and take personal responsibility does not equate to lack of sympathy for his current medical condition. However, you must agree that it could have all beeen avoided.

I think that liberals are blaming Otto for what happened because he's a white 'frat boy'. He was on a legal and legitimate tour.

When in Rome, do as the Romans. If the law says you don't remove political signs, you don't remove political signs.

In the end, this is what matters. When you are in another country, you follow their laws. If you don't like it, don't go. Your rights do not extend beyond US borders and every single country page on the State Department website has warned for years that local laws apply in other countries and if you break them, they can't help you. It doesn't matter if you think the law is stupid or wrong. I'm not even convinced that going to NK was the fatal mistake here--thousands of people have gone there as tourists, behaved themselves, and come back fine. If you are not prepared to toe the line exactly, you should not go. Warmbier didn't deserve the severity of these consequences but I 100% believe he swiped that sign because it sounds exactly like what a dumb college kid would do in an American hotel if he liked the bathrobe or the design on the matchbook covers or something. He should have known better. It's not like the North Koreans are secretive about how seriously they take this stuff and how draconian they can be. Bad choice, disproportionately bad consequences. I'm sorry for him, but this is not our government's responsibility.

It does matter if we 'like' their laws when their laws are not laws. You understand this man is starving his own people?

Time for some regime change, eh? A land war in Asia! What could go wrong?

Dick Cheney says they greet us as heroes. And Wolfowitz is convinced the war will more than pay for itself. Rumsfeld is cautioning that we don't know what we don't know.