Should AAP demographics represent FCPS as a whole

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a Fairfax County resident, I am thankful for the great schools but can't help but worry. Do we really believe that the percentage of white children that are "gifted" is that much higher than the percentage of Hispanics or blacks? I know it is an "advanced" school so I guess I can understand that it is possible for a higher percentage of white children to be "advanced" at such a young age (third grade) if their parents are investing in them. However, I want my children to go to a school that reflects the diversity of our county. But then I think, do I really want to keep my children from being challenged in school if the AAP is actually better?

I just find it hard to believe that by third grade we need to be separating out kids at this level. Yes, the truly gifted children (which is not that great of a # - I mean seriously people, not many of our children are going to be an Einstein) should have a separate program and more challenging coursework - but in general, I think we should keep children together.

Just look at these demographics:

In my area, 71% of Asians and 83% of whites test into an AAP Elementary School. Only 41% of blacks and 22% of Hispanics test into an AAP ES. I just can't think that great of a number of children are so different at such a young age and that they wouldn't benefit by being in the same classrooms. Additionally, only 22% of those enrolled in Free/RP lunches test into AAP ES in my area. So I have to think that this isn't about brains but is more about the privileges that come with having educated parents with stable income.

Thoughts? Has anyone kept an "advanced" child in the general ES?

Can you please provide a source for this info. Thank you! I'd like to see what my ES looks like.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is now four posts in a row of ridiculous agreement against an obvious straw man notion no one has espoused. It's like watching three-year-olds watch Blue's Clues.

Is the "straw man" notion you're referring to the one in which multiple posters have said that to be successful in high school honors and AP classes, students must take elementary and middle school AAP and/or honors classes? Because several posters have claimed just that, and then been completely refuted by those of us who actually have kids in high school. Oh, and also the ludicrous claim that high school honors/AP/IB classes are full of only prior AAP kids - and no prior Gen Ed kids. It's kind of funny that you would say "no one has espoused" that, when the exact opposite is true. So what exactly is your straw man?

Hmm, I did find one poster suggesting that "I'm not sure how a kids who doesn't take honors or is in aap will be successful in, say, honors English." Seems pretty harmless. Is that what you meant by multiple posters insisting this or insisting that? The thing is, AAP haters such as yourself care waay more about these topics than anyone else here. Something I've yet to figure out. So a catty phrase answering another somehow is rephrased, rebutted, +10,000-ed, and tossed around by the same group of goblins until it's snowballed and shaped into some giant controversy regarded as The Official Position of all who don't hate AAP as much as you do. It's hilarious to witness how one troll post can send the y'all into apoplectic spasms that span pages.

I'm not sure which "troll" post you're referring to, as I've found people like you love to cry troll whenever someone posts something you disagree with. You sure didn't make a great effort at going back through the thread and locating all the posts in which various posters (or maybe just you, sock-puppetting) have flat-out said that "GE kids remain GE kids throughout high school," or that "middle school honors are necessary to succeed in high school honors." So for your convenience and because you sound pretty lazy, I've compiled a list for you to refer to. In fact, the last one is my favorite as the poster actually states that my kid better not "hold back" her kid in high school, due to lack of middle school honors experience. I had a good laugh at that one, especially since my kids have already successfully completed multiple high school honors and AP classes and it's pretty clear her kid hasn't even left middle school (or maybe elementary?) yet.
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If there's a group of goblins on this thread, it's the posters listed above. And the fact that you "can't figure out" why those of us responding would be offended to have wild, unfounded, catty generalizations tossed around about our kids simply speaks volumes about you. Or should I say, "ya'll."

Lol, just saw this. You must have worked so hard on a snappy comeback and no one noticed, especially PP (me). Sorry, it was Spring Break. I won't even try to make sense of it now. You win by default. 10 points for Slytherin!

Oh, and the preferred spelling is "y'all" not "ya'll".

[Anonymous]

Should NBA demographics represent the U.S. as a whole?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Should NBA demographics represent the U.S. as a whole?

It's not the same thing, you ignorant fool.

Not being tall can disqualify you from making the NBA, but not from being highly intelligent.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Should NBA demographics represent the U.S. as a whole?

It's not the same thing, you ignorant fool.

Not being tall can disqualify you from making the NBA, but not from being highly intelligent.

Then why do you expect to be qualified for AAP when you aren't intelligent? Do you think a pig should get in AAP because pigs are under represented there?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Should NBA demographics represent the U.S. as a whole?

It's not the same thing, you ignorant fool.

Not being tall can disqualify you from making the NBA, but not from being highly intelligent.

Then why do you expect to be qualified for AAP when you aren't intelligent? Do you think a pig should get in AAP because pigs are under represented there?

Wow. Not the PP, but I guess you're one of those morons who actually believes there's a difference in intelligence between the kid with a 129 and the kid with a 130-132 (or even above). I'm glad your kid's AAP label is making you feel so superior. People who are insecure need that extra boost.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is now four posts in a row of ridiculous agreement against an obvious straw man notion no one has espoused. It's like watching three-year-olds watch Blue's Clues.

Is the "straw man" notion you're referring to the one in which multiple posters have said that to be successful in high school honors and AP classes, students must take elementary and middle school AAP and/or honors classes? Because several posters have claimed just that, and then been completely refuted by those of us who actually have kids in high school. Oh, and also the ludicrous claim that high school honors/AP/IB classes are full of only prior AAP kids - and no prior Gen Ed kids. It's kind of funny that you would say "no one has espoused" that, when the exact opposite is true. So what exactly is your straw man?

Hmm, I did find one poster suggesting that "I'm not sure how a kids who doesn't take honors or is in aap will be successful in, say, honors English." Seems pretty harmless. Is that what you meant by multiple posters insisting this or insisting that? The thing is, AAP haters such as yourself care waay more about these topics than anyone else here. Something I've yet to figure out. So a catty phrase answering another somehow is rephrased, rebutted, +10,000-ed, and tossed around by the same group of goblins until it's snowballed and shaped into some giant controversy regarded as The Official Position of all who don't hate AAP as much as you do. It's hilarious to witness how one troll post can send the y'all into apoplectic spasms that span pages.

I'm not sure which "troll" post you're referring to, as I've found people like you love to cry troll whenever someone posts something you disagree with. You sure didn't make a great effort at going back through the thread and locating all the posts in which various posters (or maybe just you, sock-puppetting) have flat-out said that "GE kids remain GE kids throughout high school," or that "middle school honors are necessary to succeed in high school honors." So for your convenience and because you sound pretty lazy, I've compiled a list for you to refer to. In fact, the last one is my favorite as the poster actually states that my kid better not "hold back" her kid in high school, due to lack of middle school honors experience. I had a good laugh at that one, especially since my kids have already successfully completed multiple high school honors and AP classes and it's pretty clear her kid hasn't even left middle school (or maybe elementary?) yet.
14:27
15:45
16:03
17:13
17:16
6:26
22:25***

If there's a group of goblins on this thread, it's the posters listed above. And the fact that you "can't figure out" why those of us responding would be offended to have wild, unfounded, catty generalizations tossed around about our kids simply speaks volumes about you. Or should I say, "ya'll."

Lol, just saw this. You must have worked so hard on a snappy comeback and no one noticed, especially PP (me). Sorry, it was Spring Break. I won't even try to make sense of it now. You win by default. 10 points for Slytherin!

Oh, and the preferred spelling is "y'all" not "ya'll".

Sure it is. Among the ignorant who actually use it.

[Anonymous]

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Just look at these demographics:

In my area, 71% of Asians and 83% of whites test into an AAP Elementary School. Only 41% of blacks and 22% of Hispanics test into an AAP ES. I just can't think that great of a number of children are so different at such a young age and that they wouldn't benefit by being in the same classrooms. Additionally, only 22% of those enrolled in Free/RP lunches test into AAP ES in my area. So I have to think that this isn't about brains but is more about the privileges that come with having educated parents with stable income.

Thoughts? Has anyone kept an "advanced" child in the general ES?

Can you please provide a source for this info. Thank you! I'd like to see what my ES looks like.

Can we call bs on the fact that the lowest percentage of any group being admitted is 22%... with some as high as 83% And we're supposed to either a) believe these stats, or b) believe that AAP is actually a "gifted" program when so many students qualify?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Just look at these demographics:

In my area, 71% of Asians and 83% of whites test into an AAP Elementary School. Only 41% of blacks and 22% of Hispanics test into an AAP ES. I just can't think that great of a number of children are so different at such a young age and that they wouldn't benefit by being in the same classrooms. Additionally, only 22% of those enrolled in Free/RP lunches test into AAP ES in my area. So I have to think that this isn't about brains but is more about the privileges that come with having educated parents with stable income.

Thoughts? Has anyone kept an "advanced" child in the general ES?

Can you please provide a source for this info. Thank you! I'd like to see what my ES looks like.

Can we call bs on the fact that the lowest percentage of any group being admitted is 22%... with some as high as 83% And we're supposed to either a) believe these stats, or b) believe that AAP is actually a "gifted" program when so many students qualify?

Your logic certainly doesn't make you sound like gifted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Should NBA demographics represent the U.S. as a whole?

It's not the same thing, you ignorant fool.

Not being tall can disqualify you from making the NBA, but not from being highly intelligent.

Then why do you expect to be qualified for AAP when you aren't intelligent? Do you think a pig should get in AAP because pigs are under represented there?

Wow. Not the PP, but I guess you're one of those morons who actually believes there's a difference in intelligence between the kid with a 129 and the kid with a 130-132 (or even above). I'm glad your kid's AAP label is making you feel so superior. People who are insecure need that extra boost.

+1 ^^ And one also wonder who the pigs are in this moron's scenario...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fairfax County resident, I am thankful for the great schools but can't help but worry. Do we really believe that the percentage of white children that are "gifted" is that much higher than the percentage of Hispanics or blacks? I know it is an "advanced" school so I guess I can understand that it is possible for a higher percentage of white children to be "advanced" at such a young age (third grade) if their parents are investing in them. However, I want my children to go to a school that reflects the diversity of our county. But then I think, do I really want to keep my children from being challenged in school if the AAP is actually better?

I just find it hard to believe that by third grade we need to be separating out kids at this level. Yes, the truly gifted children (which is not that great of a # - I mean seriously people, not many of our children are going to be an Einstein) should have a separate program and more challenging coursework - but in general, I think we should keep children together.

Just look at these demographics:

In my area, 71% of Asians and 83% of whites test into an AAP Elementary School. Only 41% of blacks and 22% of Hispanics test into an AAP ES. I just can't think that great of a number of children are so different at such a young age and that they wouldn't benefit by being in the same classrooms. Additionally, only 22% of those enrolled in Free/RP lunches test into AAP ES in my area. So I have to think that this isn't about brains but is more about the privileges that come with having educated parents with stable income.

Thoughts? Has anyone kept an "advanced" child in the general ES?

Can you please provide a source for this info. Thank you! I'd like to see what my ES looks like.

I may be reading this wrong as I don't have a child in school yet so am not clear on how AAP works but I reviewed demographic data here: http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:084 and here http://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu/schlprfl/f?p=108:13::::0_CURRENT_SCHOOL_ID:138

Do you know if the AAP schools also have general students in them? Are there only certain classrooms that have "advanced" children? If so, I'd want to reach out to FCPS for demographics on AAP students only to compare.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As a Fairfax County resident, I am thankful for the great schools but can't help but worry. Do we really believe that the percentage of white children that are "gifted" is that much higher than the percentage of Hispanics or blacks? I know it is an "advanced" school so I guess I can understand that it is possible for a higher percentage of white children to be "advanced" at such a young age (third grade) if their parents are investing in them. However, I want my children to go to a school that reflects the diversity of our county. But then I think, do I really want to keep my children from being challenged in school if the AAP is actually better?

I just find it hard to believe that by third grade we need to be separating out kids at this level. Yes, the truly gifted children (which is not that great of a # - I mean seriously people, not many of our children are going to be an Einstein) should have a separate program and more challenging coursework - but in general, I think we should keep children together.

Just look at these demographics:

In my area, 71% of Asians and 83% of whites test into an AAP Elementary School. Only 41% of blacks and 22% of Hispanics test into an AAP ES. I just can't think that great of a number of children are so different at such a young age and that they wouldn't benefit by being in the same classrooms. Additionally, only 22% of those enrolled in Free/RP lunches test into AAP ES in my area. So I have to think that this isn't about brains but is more about the privileges that come with having educated parents with stable income.

Thoughts? Has anyone kept an "advanced" child in the general ES?

Can you please provide a source for this info. Thank you! I'd like to see what my ES looks like.

Sorry the links didn't work properly. Just go the demographics tab on the following pages:
http://commweb.fcps.edu/schoolprofile/profile.cfm?profile_id=084
http://commweb.fcps.edu/schoolprofile/profile.cfm?profile_id=138

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It should just be a much smaller program. Take care of that and most of the other problems go away.

That would actually be worse. You would see even higher concentrations of asians at all centers.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It should just be a much smaller program. Take care of that and most of the other problems go away.

That would actually be worse. You would see even higher concentrations of asians at all centers.[/quot]

Someone really hate Asian.

[Anonymous]

It's a nice idea that it would reflect the demographics of the county but the reality is they can't consider this sort of thing. it's just not legal in this country.