Seriously, has anyone outside of Virginia ever heard of JMU?

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And this is why some smart kids (see earlier posts on kids who end up at top law schools) pick schools below their ability. Mommy & Daddy wouldn't/couldn't pay for the best school. They went for the value option. Seems to be a big trend in VA because of the hype around great in-state schools.

Why do you make this sound like a horrible decision? Do you think parent's should go into large amounts of debt to put their kids through college at a prestigious university? There's plenty of good schools which don't cost a fortune. It seems to me you've drunk the kool-aid and think a good education is only available at a big name school.


Generally speaking "better" schools tend to have better academic opportunities, job opportunities, networking/alumni network, etc. You can certainly work hard and get a decent education almost anywhere, but there really are other factors to consider as well. Maybe you choose not to prioritize them for your family, but they are there.

You can justify your prestige craze any way you want, and pay $$$$ for the promise of "better". As several PPs pointed out, 10 years out of college no one gives a d@mn where one got their Bachelors degree.


It's not about prestige. And it certainly does matter. I'm 25 years out and I'm about to call my former (brilliant) study partner to possibly bring him in on something. The relationships are there for life.

There isn't anything wrong with JMU/GMU at all, but stop acting like they are something they are not. They are decent regional universities with good name recognition in this region.



It's funny, because NO ONE has been acting as if these schools are anything other than good (sorry, but they are better than decent) regional universities. You, and your snob cohort, are the ones saying demeaning things about these schools, for no apparent reason other than to make yourselves feel better for spending a shitload of money on a school that no one even blinks at anymore. Perhaps it's you who should stop making more of the schools you went to, because really - you're not all that.
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Anonymous wrote:I don't have a dog in this fight, as I am not a parent of a CNU, JMU or GMU student, nor am I an alumus. That being said, I would have no problem with my child attending any of these universities.

As to networking opportunities, that really depends on the industry. Not one single referral for any of the jobs I have came from any alumnus of the two schools I graduated from. They came from me more or less building a network through informational interviews after networking at professional association meetings, trade show, etc.

As to alumni connections, GMU is very well interwined with the economic engines driving growth in the NoVa area, whether in IT, aerospace, government, etc. and there are plenty of professors you can network off of as well.

I'm second in command of an office at one the international affairs agencies, am fluent in three languages and have Ivy grads working under me. I guess I made the wrong choice.

Hint for the clueless: no one gives a sh*t ten years our where you went to school. It's all about performance. If you can't performm, you're out on your ass.

As my grandfather use to say, put that in your pipe and smoke it. And he never went to college yet rose to a senior VP position in an aerospace manufacturing company.


Wow, JMU must be going downhill if it's lumped with schools like George Mason and CNC. When I went to UVA in 2000-2004, JMU was considered the next choice after UVA and W&M....except for ENG in which case VA Texh is better than all 3.


Huh, things must be changing because my son and several other kids he knows chose JMU over UVA and W&M. They preferred JMU.
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Anonymous wrote:Or Christopher Newport University?


Had not heard of either until I moved to DC in the 80s, and of course James Madison is very well known here in DC...I went to a regional school too..Villanova. But we just started getting known outside of Philly because of Basketball...right about the time I graduated.

Dad is applying to JMU, WM and UVA...it is fair to say that those 3, along with Va Tech, are the best known VA publics. In MD its UMd and St Mary's..:


Well JMU is well known to be a party school-ranked in the top 20 party schools by Playboy in an old issue my husband has lying around


Wow, how old is that issue and are UVA and VA Tech listed as well?
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And people do care where you got your degree especially at top companies and academia.


People in academia care where you get your degree, but 99% their caring about this is evaluating where you did your PhD and postdoc. Undergrad doesn't really matter that much. I see faculty candidates all the time who went to regional schools for their undergrad and then Caltech/Berkeley/Harvard whatever for PhD who are plenty competitive. I don't know that there is any particular edge to the person who attended a more prestigious school even when you have two candidates, say, where one went to Harvard for undergrad and the other went to, say, a SUNY school but both went to Caltech for their PhD--at that point it's going to depend on their graduate record (publications, rec letters, etc.) and whether or not they are the right fit for the department.


This is my experience as well.


Same.
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Anonymous wrote:Or Christopher Newport University?


Had not heard of either until I moved to DC in the 80s, and of course James Madison is very well known here in DC...I went to a regional school too..Villanova. But we just started getting known outside of Philly because of Basketball...right about the time I graduated.

Dad is applying to JMU, WM and UVA...it is fair to say that those 3, along with Va Tech, are the best known VA publics. In MD its UMd and St Mary's..:


Well JMU is well known to be a party school-ranked in the top 20 party schools by Playboy in an old issue my husband has lying around


Wow, how old is that issue and are UVA and VA Tech listed as well?


Maryland was and so was JMU and UVa
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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Maryland and knew some people who went to JMU. I remember seeing signs for CNU on the way to the beach.


Does Bethesda count as out of state? About 15 per cent of BCC went to either JMU or VT....but no haven't heard of the other one.


Stumbled across this thread - went to high school in MoCo and JMU for undergrad.

What an amazing amount of misinformation on this thread. The term "regional" is not coextensive sight the word "mediocre". JMU is a solid State School that serves, along with Virginia Tech, as the best second choices to WM and UVA for a VA residents depending on major. This is not conjecture - rankings by Kiplinger, Forbes, others bear this out.

JMU when ranked against all Public Universities - and not just equally small ones, consistently ranks pretty well - top 25 generally, as does Va Tech.

And it's majors are strong. Look at its Communications alum. Consider the latest Businessweek ranking of its undergraduate Business School: it ranks higher than GW, Maryland and VT both in terms of ranking and placement/salaries.

Consider the rankings by Money, Kiplinger, Insider, USAToday - do they bear out a mediocre school?

Whether JMU is a household name is only somewhat relevant. I'd argue its grads are not suffering its Harrisonburg location or small size....
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Anonymous wrote:Or Christopher Newport University?


JMU yes, CN no.

Seriously.
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I grew up in Florida and there are plenty of schools people on this board think are great schools i never heard of until,i came north. Schools like Bowdoin, Williams, Middlebury, Bates and most other Northeast SLACS never registered me. The schools outside Florida that i did know about were usually D1 football powerhouses that gave scholarships to classmates or because i had some personal or family connection, i.e. all five of the service academies, Notre Dame, Temple University, LaSalle College. Catholic colleges like Villanova and Georgetown were prominenly known because i went to a Catholic School. I asked my brother, who is a West Pointer, where he would've gone to school if he hadn't gone to West Point and he said University of Florida. The U.S. higher education system is unparralled for its breadth and depth. I imagine 98% of students choose school's first from the region where they live, or from those that friends and family members attended. Most of my family members who went to college (all from my father's side) attended either a service academy or state or Catholic institutions close to home: West Chester University, Chestnut Hill College, LaSalle College, Temple, Beaver College (now Arcadia University). Only one attended an Ivy.
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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Maryland and knew some people who went to JMU. I remember seeing signs for CNU on the way to the beach.


Does Bethesda count as out of state? About 15 per cent of BCC went to either JMU or VT....but no haven't heard of the other one.


Stumbled across this thread - went to high school in MoCo and JMU for undergrad.

What an amazing amount of misinformation on this thread. The term "regional" is not coextensive sight the word "mediocre". JMU is a solid State School that serves, along with Virginia Tech, as the best second choices to WM and UVA for a VA residents depending on major. This is not conjecture - rankings by Kiplinger, Forbes, others bear this out.

JMU when ranked against all Public Universities - and not just equally small ones, consistently ranks pretty well - top 25 generally, as does Va Tech.

And it's majors are strong. Look at its Communications alum. Consider the latest Businessweek ranking of its undergraduate Business School: it ranks higher than GW, Maryland and VT both in terms of ranking and placement/salaries.

Consider the rankings by Money, Kiplinger, Insider, USAToday - do they bear out a mediocre school?

Whether JMU is a household name is only somewhat relevant. I'd argue its grads are not suffering its Harrisonburg location or small size....


I dunno, I am from Orange Co, CA and I have heard of James Madison but mostly because of the women's soccer program there is well respected. The school is known to be a good school in Va. I went to Santa Clara U-outside CA no one has heard of it.
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Anonymous wrote:I grew up in Maryland and knew some people who went to JMU. I remember seeing signs for CNU on the way to the beach.


Does Bethesda count as out of state? About 15 per cent of BCC went to either JMU or VT....but no haven't heard of the other one.


Stumbled across this thread - went to high school in MoCo and JMU for undergrad.

What an amazing amount of misinformation on this thread. The term "regional" is not coextensive sight the word "mediocre". JMU is a solid State School that serves, along with Virginia Tech, as the best second choices to WM and UVA for a VA residents depending on major. This is not conjecture - rankings by Kiplinger, Forbes, others bear this out.

JMU when ranked against all Public Universities - and not just equally small ones, consistently ranks pretty well - top 25 generally, as does Va Tech.

And it's majors are strong. Look at its Communications alum. Consider the latest Businessweek ranking of its undergraduate Business School: it ranks higher than GW, Maryland and VT both in terms of ranking and placement/salaries.

Consider the rankings by Money, Kiplinger, Insider, USAToday - do they bear out a mediocre school?

Whether JMU is a household name is only somewhat relevant. I'd argue its grads are not suffering its Harrisonburg location or small size....


VT, UMD and GW are mediocre schools...
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Folks, no one's saying that JMU is anything but a regional school. But I think they've demonstrated that more than a handful of people outside Virginia have heard of it, and that it turns out perfectly successful graduates.
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In the mid Atlantic most people have heard of UVA/WM

VT is probably the best know because of sports. JMU is a little less well known but fairly so.

Every other public school in Va - Longwood, Radford, GMU, ODU, CNU....pretty unknown.


LOL at GMU pretty unknown. Did you forget out the final four run in 2006 that put Mason on the map? That tournament increased Mason's enrollment big time.

ODU has had some success in football since they started that program earlier this century.


I grew up out West, and GMU was not just "pretty unknown" but TOTALLY unknown - along with JMU and VT.

The only school that any of us heard of - or would think about attending - in MD/DC/VA was Georgetown.


Gee, kind of like those of us who grew up on the east coast have never heard of Mills College (CA), Whitworth University (Seattle), or Westminster College (Utah)? There are good regional schools all over the U.S. Just because you've never heard of them doesn't mean a thing.


Um, it does mean something, because it is directly responsive to the SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD, which is "has anyone outside of Virginia ever heard of JMU?"

Dumbass.
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And people do care where you got your degree especially at top companies and academia.


People in academia care where you get your degree, but 99% their caring about this is evaluating where you did your PhD and postdoc. Undergrad doesn't really matter that much. I see faculty candidates all the time who went to regional schools for their undergrad and then Caltech/Berkeley/Harvard whatever for PhD who are plenty competitive. I don't know that there is any particular edge to the person who attended a more prestigious school even when you have two candidates, say, where one went to Harvard for undergrad and the other went to, say, a SUNY school but both went to Caltech for their PhD--at that point it's going to depend on their graduate record (publications, rec letters, etc.) and whether or not they are the right fit for the department.


Not true. Graduate admissions committees DO care where you did your undergrad. You are more likely to get into a highly competitive grad program if you went to a high prestige / highly competitive undergrad school (in other words, not GMU or JMU).

Yes, there are exceptions, but if you are planning on an academic career you'd better go prestige school all the way.
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Not true. Graduate admissions committees DO care where you did your undergrad. You are more likely to get into a highly competitive grad program if you went to a high prestige / highly competitive undergrad school (in other words, not GMU or JMU).

Yes, there are exceptions, but if you are planning on an academic career you'd better go prestige school all the way.


Maybe this is field dependent, because in top tier STEM fields, where you went to undergrad is extremely secondary to graduate admissions compared to your undergraduate research experience, your letters of recommendation, whether you have published, whether you have won nationally competitive awards (Goldwater, for example), and your academic record. I know plenty of people who went to Berkeley, MIT, Harvard, Stanford, and Caltech (the top 5 schools in my field) who didn't go to super elite colleges, some of whom are now faculty members. In fact, probably about a 3rd of the people admitted to top tier graduate programs come from "less elite" schools, depending on how you rank "elite" (i.e. regional schools and less competitive private liberal arts colleges). While this indicates that the pool of talented students is larger at elite schools, ~1/3rd is not an "exception."
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Maybe this is field dependent, because in top tier STEM fields, where you went to undergrad is extremely secondary to graduate admissions compared to your undergraduate research experience, your letters of recommendation, whether you have published, whether you have won nationally competitive awards (Goldwater, for example), and your academic record.


You are much more likely to do significant undergraduate research, get powerful letters of recommendation from recognized names in the field, get published, and win awards, if you attend a prestige undergrad school. Again, there are exceptions, but if you want to go into academia in any field, you are foolish not to attend the most prestigious undergrad program you can.
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