Rent a 2nd place in a better boundary

[Anonymous]

I have a lot more sympathy for impoverished families who use a grandparent's address than I do for disgruntled wealthy parents who think they deserve to send their child to whatever public school they want.

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Just to weigh in on who cares. I am a parent of children currently in our IB WOTP elementary schools. This is not about my children getting cut off from pre-K. The issue is not pre-K. It is that there is a set of rules that families rely on when making their decisions, many families in our school make lots of sacrifices to go to our school. Certainly we could have afforded a nicer house EOTP than what we purchased for our money in AU Park and this was some years ago, we chose commute and school quality over the size or aesthetic quality of a home. We gave up the urban living of our pre-children days. I get that many schools within DCPS are unacceptable and DCPS needs to fix that, but everyone that is commenting on this knew (or should have known) the quality of the schools when they were looking for a place to live and made choices accordingly. Some people took chances that charters would be the answer, others had other strategies I don't know about or just delayed addressing the issue. I object to lying and cheating as a practice to get around rules to obtain what you think you are entitled to ahead of other people that are following the rules.

The quality of schools has changed too fast in our Cap Hill neighborhood for this argument to hold here. Your perspective is very WotP.

Parents and parents-to-be who bought in-boundary for the Capitol Hill Cluster just three or four years ago are dismayed to see how far Watkins and Stuart Hobson have slipped since then, losing three to five percentage points worth of both IB and white students every year, each. Meanwhile, Maury and Brent have raced ahead.

I doubt that apartment-renting-cheating Cluster parents see themselves as lying and cheating, because they're paying plenty in taxes to the District without getting the relatively high quality program they bought in-boundary for. Moving on the Hill isn't a good option, now that real estate has become red hot.

I'd like to see those in objection lobby like you DCPS and politicians to raise the bar on proving residency for school enrollment purposes. Doing so would call attention to more pressing issues, like the way charters and, yes, address cheating are siphoning off in-boundary families, for good reason.

Ummm... And how are they not lying and cheating even if they have gotten shafted by the decline of the Cluster? Two wrongs don't make a right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:[

Just to weigh in on who cares. I am a parent of children currently in our IB WOTP elementary schools. This is not about my children getting cut off from pre-K. The issue is not pre-K. It is that there is a set of rules that families rely on when making their decisions, many families in our school make lots of sacrifices to go to our school. Certainly we could have afforded a nicer house EOTP than what we purchased for our money in AU Park and this was some years ago, we chose commute and school quality over the size or aesthetic quality of a home. We gave up the urban living of our pre-children days. I get that many schools within DCPS are unacceptable and DCPS needs to fix that, but everyone that is commenting on this knew (or should have known) the quality of the schools when they were looking for a place to live and made choices accordingly. Some people took chances that charters would be the answer, others had other strategies I don't know about or just delayed addressing the issue. I object to lying and cheating as a practice to get around rules to obtain what you think you are entitled to ahead of other people that are following the rules.

The quality of schools has changed too fast in our Cap Hill neighborhood for this argument to hold here. Your perspective is very WotP.

Parents and parents-to-be who bought in-boundary for the Capitol Hill Cluster just three or four years ago are dismayed to see how far Watkins and Stuart Hobson have slipped since then, losing three to five percentage points worth of both IB and white students every year, each. Meanwhile, Maury and Brent have raced ahead.

I doubt that apartment-renting-cheating Cluster parents see themselves as lying and cheating, because they're paying plenty in taxes to the District without getting the relatively high quality program they bought in-boundary for. Moving on the Hill isn't a good option, now that real estate has become red hot.
I'd like to see those in objection lobby like you DCPS and politicians to raise the bar on proving residency for school enrollment purposes. Doing so would call attention to more pressing issues, like the way charters and, yes, address cheating are siphoning off in-boundary families, for good reason.

Wow PP, you just do. Not. Get it! No one in DC has any guarantees about what school their child can go to unless they are inbound for a particular school's boundary for K-12 when they want their child to go. There are no guarantees that the boundaries will be what they were when you bought... there are no guarantees that you'll get in (even if you're IB) for PS-PK... no guarantees. And DC is an expensive city and gets more expensive by the year.

Just because housing costs rise and it becomes harder for families to live in DC at all, much less afford the best school zones, THAT DOESN'T JUSTIFY ANYONE CHEATING THE SYSTEM. You don't get to cheerlead laws and rules UNTIL they don't work for you, and then you get to ignore them. That is some serious entitlement and hypocrisy.

I'm certainly a realist, and I understand that rich people and powerful people buck the rules all the time, or bend the rules to work for them, or just make new rules. But there has to be a structure and cheating/breaking the rules can NEVER just be dismissed because someone thinks it's ok "in this case".

Cheating is cheating. It's always cheating. And discussions here about possible "motives" of people advocating even more cracking down on boundary cheats is irrelevant. Cheating is still cheating, there are rules that apply to admissions, and knowingly giving an address which is not where your kids live most of the time is cheating and - when discovered - absolutely legitimate grounds for kicking you out of the school.

Put the address you actually live at on your school applications, or don't be surprised if you get busted. It really is THAT simple.

[Anonymous]

I'm the PP, and just for the record I'm not only speaking to you, person who discussed Cap Hill parents not thinking they're cheating because they pay taxes. I'm also addressing other PPs who questioned why anyone cares strongly about this and everyone who thinks it's just ok to cheat because you can.

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Anonymous wrote:You make it sound like everyone's choice was huge house EOTP or smaller house WOTP. I refuse to be shut out of public education because I rent.

I don't care whether someone rents or owns, the point is that everyone made choices and some people assert the rules do not apply to them. Everyone on here had choices, choice of career path, choice of job, choice of where to live, choice to be a parent, etc.

Wow. I feel for you. If you really think everyone in DC has the same 'choices' you are further gone than I thought. Wow. Just wow.

I am speaking to the people that are commenting here on DCUM, not DC more generally. The families that are talking about renting an extra (I am assuming not particularly large or nice) apartment or using a property the own but do not live in to establish residency have choices. I have much more concern/sympathy for families that do not have choices, but those are not the ones we are talking about here.

Are you saying that life just happened to you, that you somehow ended up in your job and where you live, with children, without making any choices along the way? Are you saying that people proposing cheating did not know that their IB school was questionable and that it was a risk to rely on charter schools as their schooling plan?

Most people here that are talking about cheating are talking about avoiding the hard choices that many families make every day. Not just here in DC, but everywhere in the country.

[Anonymous]

Beg to differ. If parents are willing to cover all their financial and document bases and more - pay rent or a 2nd mortgage, produce a lease, pay stub, and change their drivers license, vehicle registration, voter registration etc. address over to a 2nd property, I could care less where their kids go to school.

To my mind, the good of having more high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DCPS far outweighs the "bad" of the "cheating" for me. Who wins when such parents run to Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo for schools. You? Poor kids? Nobody wins but real estate agents in the burbs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Beg to differ. If parents are willing to cover all their financial and document bases and more - pay rent or a 2nd mortgage, produce a lease, pay stub, and change their drivers license, vehicle registration, voter registration etc. address over to a 2nd property, I could care less where their kids go to school.

To my mind, the good of having more high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DCPS far outweighs the "bad" of the "cheating" for me. Who wins when such parents run to Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo for schools. You? Poor kids? Nobody wins but real estate agents in the burbs.

...says the person who, the moment their kid got turned away from the school they wanted and they found out someone who cheated got a spot would be up in arms and certainly care quite a bit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Beg to differ. If parents are willing to cover all their financial and document bases and more - pay rent or a 2nd mortgage, produce a lease, pay stub, and change their drivers license, vehicle registration, voter registration etc. address over to a 2nd property, I could care less where their kids go to school.

To my mind, the good of having more high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DCPS far outweighs the "bad" of the "cheating" for me. Who wins when such parents run to Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo for schools. You? Poor kids? Nobody wins but real estate agents in the burbs.

I agree that it benefits DCPS when high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DC and send their children to public school. Those parents should move in boundary to the school they would like their children to attend or they should play the lottery.

[Anonymous]

This conversation is 17 pages long... why again? OP doesn't care about following rules and is willing to break them to get her kid into a school. That sucks and hopefully everyone who does this will get caught. But we know they won't all get caught, but some of them will and anyone who cheats gambles that they may be the one and can't be "surprised" if it happens.

People have different reasons for feeling justified in cheating, but at the end of the day it's still cheating and they can still be caught.

Other than all that, what else is there to say?

[Anonymous]

I say that your holier than thou myopia serves little purpose. If things were as black and white as all that, this lively conversation would never have taken place.

[Anonymous]

What's not black and white about it? Seriously, what is murky?

[Anonymous]

You're only asking so you can call PPs more names. Enough already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Beg to differ. If parents are willing to cover all their financial and document bases and more - pay rent or a 2nd mortgage, produce a lease, pay stub, and change their drivers license, vehicle registration, voter registration etc. address over to a 2nd property, I could care less where their kids go to school.

To my mind, the good of having more high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DCPS far outweighs the "bad" of the "cheating" for me. Who wins when such parents run to Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo for schools. You? Poor kids? Nobody wins but real estate agents in the burbs.

I agree that it benefits DCPS when high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DC and send their children to public school. Those parents should move in boundary to the school they would like their children to attend or they should play the lottery.

Residency fraud by middle class and affluent = good
Residency fraud by working class people = bad

This is such a double standard. Residency fraud is residency fraud.

I'd you have multiple homes and your primary residency doesn't get you into the school of your dreams do what most affluent people have always done in DC, send your child to private school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You're only asking so you can call PPs more names. Enough already.

I haven't called anyone a name on this thread, so really not sure what you're talking about. I also really don't understand what there is to talk about, I really think the above is that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Beg to differ. If parents are willing to cover all their financial and document bases and more - pay rent or a 2nd mortgage, produce a lease, pay stub, and change their drivers license, vehicle registration, voter registration etc. address over to a 2nd property, I could care less where their kids go to school.

To my mind, the good of having more high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DCPS far outweighs the "bad" of the "cheating" for me. Who wins when such parents run to Fairfax, Arlington and MoCo for schools. You? Poor kids? Nobody wins but real estate agents in the burbs.

I agree that it benefits DCPS when high earning, well educated upper middle class parents stay in DC and send their children to public school. Those parents should move in boundary to the school they would like their children to attend or they should play the lottery.

Residency fraud by middle class and affluent = good
Residency fraud by working class people = bad

This is such a double standard. Residency fraud is residency fraud.

I'd you have multiple homes and your primary residency doesn't get you into the school of your dreams do what most affluent people have always done in DC, send your child to private school.

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