20 victims reported at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis

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Anonymous wrote:The suspect in the Minneapolis, Minnesota, shooting at a Catholic school and church has been identified as Robin Westman, who posted a manifesto on social media just two hours ago, including a video showing the words “kill Donald Trump” written on a gun.

A confirmed white male. I’m not surprised.

This aged like milk.

How? He’s a biological man.

True. He was further harmed by his woke family.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

My Japanese BIL couldn't believe the army of homeless screaming and flailing in my city. "In my country they would be in the hospital."
Me (explaining)
Him "But if the government won't pay then their families could pool their money and pay. Anything to get them in a hospital."
Me "You don't understand. There is no hospital."

This, exactly.

Japan has it figured out. The EU has it figured out:

- sick people need to be in a hospital if they are a danger to themselves or to others. And yes: dangerously ill people may not be allowed to leave that hospital while they are a risk to others.

Try to get a gun in Japan and let us know how that goes.

Didn’t stop the assassin who killed Shinjo Abe. He MADE his own gun.

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Anonymous wrote:What was his beef with the kids at the church? Was he abused there and in his twisted mind, wanted to save other kids from similar experience?

Could be. Could also just be familiarity? His mother worked there (at the school), and retired in 2021 I believe.

I wondered if perhaps the church or school had wronged him or his mother in same way (perhaps discriminating against them?) but there is absolutely no evidence of that, and it is not mentioned in his letter.

Best to acknowledge mom’s radical politics. She wasn’t actually Catholic.

Her social media is a mixed bag politically. They were clearly a highly religious Catholic and posted about it often. Also posted a lot of anti-abortion memes. However, she also posted in support of GLBT and anti-racist memes etc.

fixed it^^^

and anti-pedo

When I said “she” I was referring to the mother herself and her own FB posts. Not Robin. The above was what was on the mother’s social media.

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter was transgender.

A deranged, evil man.

A deranged , evil WOMAN.

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Anonymous wrote:What did his letter say? What was the motive? Was he on drugs for mental health and went crazy as a side effect?

The letter mostly was about unaliving himself, & feeling the urge to do a mass shooting despite knowing it was wrong. Lots of apologies to and goodbyes to his family. Indicates lots of mental suffering on his part that has been going on for a long time

Until we know how his mental illness was getting treated, we’ll never know exactly what the hell is going on.

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Anonymous wrote:It is abundantly clear we need to ban firearms, end of story.

Thank heaven we have the solid example of how well it worked to ban the importation, manufacture, possession and sale of illicit drugs; the operation of motor vehicles under the influence of alcohol or drugs; and no-longer troublesome ordinary crimes like robbery, theft, rape, mayhem and murder.

other countries have figured it out - a shame this is the only one that can't

Other countries have “figured out” how successfully to prevent the occurrence in any instance of the importation, manufacture, possession and sale of illicit drugs; the operation of motor vehicles under the influence of alcohol or drugs; and no-longer troublesome ordinary crimes like robbery, theft, rape, mayhem and murder?

Say honest!

Where would that be?

Or are you merely asserting the post hoc ergo propter hoc conclusion that passing laws has had some miraculous impact on the criminal misuse of firearms in countries vastly different from the United States in geography, culture, economy, etc.?

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Anonymous wrote:The shooter was transgender.

A deranged, evil man.

A deranged , evil WOMAN.

Women don’t have a penis. Sorry.

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Anonymous wrote:We should all place blame on ourselves. It's our collective society. Yes - EVERY ONE of us. The guy disliked Trump. You can blame Trump. You can blame everyone who hates Trump. You can blame the GOP and NRA but you also have to blame all of us who contribute to the culture of the American society in 2025. We don't help one another, we don't support families as a culture, we don't believe in unity - we only believe in independence being the end all and be all.

Of course it's mental illness but there has always been. Of course it's access to guns, but there always was. Of course it's the combo that leads to all these mass shooting and there always will be. It will never change because none of us will ever blame ourselves, only each other.

Not sure of the answer and likely, will never be one. Only feel that it will continue and maybe the crux of our culture will be so destructive in so many ways that we can start with a new one in the not too distant future.

There's a lot that's true in your post, but you also have to acknowledge that access to guns is materially different now than it was 50 years ago. 50 years ago, most of the guns in the US were made in the US, in factories in Connecticut and Massachusetts with pretty well compensated workers. Guns were relatively expensive and were generally for specific purposes. People had hunting rifles or hand guns. No one outside the military had automatic weaponry. (Look at the old mob movies -- for the most part, even they are using pistols that have 6 cartridges -- you get a shot to the chest and one to the head.) Sure cirminals got them illegally, but even that was relatively difficult. You didn't generally have teen criminals with guns -- they had switchblades or their fists.
But then a couple of things happened in the 90s. One was free trade that made foreign-made guns relatively cheap. (Those Winchester and Remington facilities in the northeast are all shuttered.) The other was a militarization of police forces, and they started buying more heavy duty equipment that was more like what the military had, and then selling some of the excess. Now of course you can also add in 3-d printing to the mix. The result is that there's a lot more guns out there on the streets and its pretty easy for someone to get one, either legally or illegally.

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Anonymous wrote:Mental illness in America.

As easy to buy a gun as candy in America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Mental illness in America.

Being trans in no way = mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why are the police unable to identify who the shooter was?

The problem in our individualistic society is that no one is willing to say "That guy is a psycho/pervert/freak and needs to be watched like a hawk." Instead it's "you do you!" Evil walks among us and we can't deny it even if the media doesn't want us to think about it. They want us to think of this like a bad tornado, just something that happens.

There isn’t enough of a mechanism to do something with these people. The people who do these crimes typically are not normal people who recently slipped into problems. Most of them have life long antisocial and troubling behaviors.

Mental hospitals.
And don't say "But Reagan" because he caved to a lobby that started in the 60s with the idiotic "One flew over the cuckoos nest" that fooled people into thinking every free spirit was in danger of forced electroshock therapy to turn them into Don Draper. Why he caved I don't know, it was before my time. But it's been a rotten failure.

This is correct.

The movement was called “de-institutionalization” and it quite effectively closed-down virtually every in-patient mental health facility in existence at the time (the so-called “insane asylums.”

Problem was: they replaced the much-needed mental health services with: nothing. Or virtually nothing.

They simply put the severely mentally ill people out on the street, or they dumped them on ill-equipped family (who then turned the patient out, onto the street).

Why does everyone wonder why we have so many severely-mentally-ill people living on our streets?

Sure: reform was needed by the 60s, but reform did kit happen. Shuttering and elimination happened.

Bring back in-patient hospitals, like they still have in the rest of the developed world.

My Japanese BIL couldn't believe the army of homeless screaming and flailing in my city. "In my country they would be in the hospital."
Me (explaining)
Him "But if the government won't pay then their families could pool their money and pay. Anything to get them in a hospital."
Me "You don't understand. There is no hospital."

This, exactly.

Japan has it figured out. The EU has it figured out:

- sick people need to be in a hospital if they are a danger to themselves or to others. And yes: dangerously ill people may not be allowed to leave that hospital while they are a risk to others.

Try to get a gun in Japan and let us know how that goes.

Didn’t stop the assassin who killed Shinjo Abe. He MADE his own gun.

Don't be dim. Gun homicides are 100x more common in the USA than in Japan, even controlling for population size.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is abundantly clear we need to ban firearms, end of story.

Yes I’m sure that will end gun violence

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Anonymous wrote:What did his letter say? What was the motive? Was he on drugs for mental health and went crazy as a side effect?

The letter mostly was about unaliving himself, & feeling the urge to do a mass shooting despite knowing it was wrong. Lots of apologies to and goodbyes to his family. Indicates lots of mental suffering on his part that has been going on for a long time

Until we know how his mental illness was getting treated, we’ll never know exactly what the hell is going on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What was his beef with the kids at the church? Was he abused there and in his twisted mind, wanted to save other kids from similar experience?

Could be. Could also just be familiarity? His mother worked there (at the school), and retired in 2021 I believe.

I wondered if perhaps the church or school had wronged him or his mother in same way (perhaps discriminating against them?) but there is absolutely no evidence of that, and it is not mentioned in his letter.

Well he had "kill pedos" written on a gun.

I saw “kill Trump”. Is that what you’re referring to?

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Anonymous wrote:What was his motive?

Rage.