Proposed New Regions

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

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Anonymous wrote:Springbrook to Whitman, avoiding highways shows 13.1 miles 34 minutes
Springbrook to WJ, avoiding highways, 10.7 miles, 30 minutes

Blake to WJ, avoiding highways, 12.9 miles, 32 minutes


Watkins Mill High School to Wootton, 10.5 miles, 30 minutes
Watkins Mill High School to QO, 6.7 miles, 20 minutes

Are those far off from what they have now:
Kennedy to Wootton, 9.4 miles, 25 minutes
Damascus to Quince Orchard, 14.8 miles, 30 minutes

More like 50 mins during rush hours

I agree but it's still what they have in their proposals. So no reason why they can't add the other school combination into their proposals too.

If they're not looking into improving the schools that need the most help or access to resources. If they can't do that, then they shouldn't even bother with major disruptions or expensive options that don't make sense.

Besides trying to balance FARMS rates, to have schools not go over a certain FARMS rate (upper 20s) other school systems pour a lot of money into programs and initiatives focusing on the high risk initiatives. Like ACTUALLY trying to help them improve. Not just trying to mix up their numbers so they get diluted and not look as bad. Maybe MCPS does that too and I'm just not aware of it. But I don't see any of the things going on addressing the lower performing/bottom ranked schools in MCPS.

How is there anything a school system can do to increase family income in the area so there's fewer families at FARMs income level?

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Anonymous wrote:Springbrook to Whitman, avoiding highways shows 13.1 miles 34 minutes
Springbrook to WJ, avoiding highways, 10.7 miles, 30 minutes

Blake to WJ, avoiding highways, 12.9 miles, 32 minutes


Watkins Mill High School to Wootton, 10.5 miles, 30 minutes
Watkins Mill High School to QO, 6.7 miles, 20 minutes

Are those far off from what they have now:
Kennedy to Wootton, 9.4 miles, 25 minutes
Damascus to Quince Orchard, 14.8 miles, 30 minutes

More like 50 mins during rush hours

I agree but it's still what they have in their proposals. So no reason why they can't add the other school combination into their proposals too.

If they're not looking into improving the schools that need the most help or access to resources. If they can't do that, then they shouldn't even bother with major disruptions or expensive options that don't make sense.

Besides trying to balance FARMS rates, to have schools not go over a certain FARMS rate (upper 20s) other school systems pour a lot of money into programs and initiatives focusing on the high risk initiatives. Like ACTUALLY trying to help them improve. Not just trying to mix up their numbers so they get diluted and not look as bad. Maybe MCPS does that too and I'm just not aware of it. But I don't see any of the things going on addressing the lower performing/bottom ranked schools in MCPS.

How is there anything a school system can do to increase family income in the area so there's fewer families at FARMs income level?

They really can't. The issues with the school system is really a further reach than school systems can really do.

But they're trying to cause major disruptions in the name of equality but are failing to do so with the unbalanced areas, and the areas with lower performing schools not getting the same opportunities.

In some ways, the idea of regions isn't too bad. Where it gives students access to go to better schools. But then again, region 2 really only has one higher performing school to go to. Region 5 similar, where their top tier school is Northwest, maybe Crown.

So they're basically closing off access to the better schools that the students in other regions have. Balancing regions 5 and 6 looks like an easy fix. As other poster mentioned, just swapping QO and Seneca Valley makes a difference in FARMS rate and minimal impact in area maps.

2 would be a little bit harder. But the schools like the ones in area 2 which are the ones that need access to other schools and resources.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Exactly. No one has to do it and it’s not a new concept. MCPS has been pulling kids voluntarily to “lesser” schools for decades. That’s why they’re called magnets. Nobody has to apply if they don’t want to. It sounds like there will be specialized programs in each region, but you can feel free to just stay at your school.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Even when students choose to attend schools far from home voluntarily, they often don’t fully understand what they’re giving up, like close friendships, community support, and a sense of belonging. Being far away can lead to isolation and disconnect, especially at a time in life when those social connections really matter. Without clear guidance, these choices can end up doing more harm than good in the long run, both for the students and the communities they leave behind.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Even when students choose to attend schools far from home voluntarily, they often don’t fully understand what they’re giving up, like close friendships, community support, and a sense of belonging. Being far away can lead to isolation and disconnect, especially at a time in life when those social connections really matter. Without clear guidance, these choices can end up doing more harm than good in the long run, both for the students and the communities they leave behind.

Well I understand that perspective but in the DCC that ship has long since sailed. I am interested in programming that will strengthen the options these kids have.

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Anonymous wrote:This sounds like SO MUCH BUSING.

Yes. This is essentially a new form of ‘bus-in, bus-out,’ presented under the guise of regional programs.

An impossible amount of bussing. Will the HSs start at different times? Maybe the magnet kids will arrive early for a study hall?

Assuming there is room in the different schools. They will have to put the best programs in the meh schools and easy to get into programs at the rich schools. If you look at the clusters there is one halo school, ore maybe two decent and the rest are bottom tier.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Even when students choose to attend schools far from home voluntarily, they often don’t fully understand what they’re giving up, like close friendships, community support, and a sense of belonging. Being far away can lead to isolation and disconnect, especially at a time in life when those social connections really matter. Without clear guidance, these choices can end up doing more harm than good in the long run, both for the students and the communities they leave behind.

Well I understand that perspective but in the DCC that ship has long since sailed. I am interested in programming that will strengthen the options these kids have.

The DCC model has not proven to be effective. In practice, consortia are struggling rather than thriving. Given these challenges, expanding this model to the rest of the county raises serious concerns about its viability and long-term impact.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Even when students choose to attend schools far from home voluntarily, they often don’t fully understand what they’re giving up, like close friendships, community support, and a sense of belonging. Being far away can lead to isolation and disconnect, especially at a time in life when those social connections really matter. Without clear guidance, these choices can end up doing more harm than good in the long run, both for the students and the communities they leave behind.

Or they can find social connections, and additional community. And if the distance isn’t too far than can maintain connection with old friends and support systems. Which is exactly the interest in bringing programs and resources closer.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Even when students choose to attend schools far from home voluntarily, they often don’t fully understand what they’re giving up, like close friendships, community support, and a sense of belonging. Being far away can lead to isolation and disconnect, especially at a time in life when those social connections really matter. Without clear guidance, these choices can end up doing more harm than good in the long run, both for the students and the communities they leave behind.

Well I understand that perspective but in the DCC that ship has long since sailed. I am interested in programming that will strengthen the options these kids have.

The DCC model has not proven to be effective. In practice, consortia are struggling rather than thriving. Given these challenges, expanding this model to the rest of the county raises serious concerns about its viability and long-term impact.

The DCC model is not what is proposed. It’s a regional program model not a simple choice model.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Even when students choose to attend schools far from home voluntarily, they often don’t fully understand what they’re giving up, like close friendships, community support, and a sense of belonging. Being far away can lead to isolation and disconnect, especially at a time in life when those social connections really matter. Without clear guidance, these choices can end up doing more harm than good in the long run, both for the students and the communities they leave behind.

Well I understand that perspective but in the DCC that ship has long since sailed. I am interested in programming that will strengthen the options these kids have.

The DCC model has not proven to be effective. In practice, consortia are struggling rather than thriving. Given these challenges, expanding this model to the rest of the county raises serious concerns about its viability and long-term impact.

As PP said this is not quite consortia. And personally I like that the DCC is divided and mixed with other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Region 1 doesn't look too bad to me.

BCC is supposed to be kind of decent right? And there have often been positive posts about Einstein.

I think the main questions would be how Blair looks if they removed the county wide magnet program. And I'm not entirely sure of Northwood (as in I don't think I've heard too much about it. Know some people with siblings that graduated from there but that's it.)

Based on test scores/FARMs rates, I would say region 5 looks the most questionable. Northwest is an average/above average school. The rest of the schools are projected to have at least 35% FARMS, including the new Crown HS. With Watkins Mill over 60% FARMS and Gaithersburg HS hovering close to there. Option 3 has Seneca Valley hovering around it's current 35% FARMS but the rest of the options has it around 45%.

MCPS overall average is 44% FARMS. Totally reasonable for a grouping of high schools to be at that average. Parents who are shocked by it are a symptom of how divided the system currently is and how out of touch some parents are.

This particular grouping is always at least 46% FARMS when you add all the schools together and look at the four current realignment options.
Current: 46.8%
Option 1: 47.11%
Option 2: 47.15%
Option 3: 46.19%
Option 4: 48.68%

I haven't worked out all the other proposed regions yet.

If the overall MCPS average is 44%, this is very close to it. Unless we see a region that is sub-34 or over-54 (or something like that), it's probably the best that can be done with some manageable regional proximity. Hopefully, all the regions end up averaging in the 40s. (Really hopefully, the overall FARMS rate decreases, and not for lack of identification, but with the way society is going, both nationally and locally, I'm not holding my breath.)

The problem with averages is that it's not really spread out and you have the extremes balancing each other out.

Not all the schools are represented in the boundary studies.

But on mdreportcard, it says the FARMS rate is about 41% for MCPS and 40% if you limit to high schools.

Looking at the schools in boundary studies with a current FARMS rate of over 40% the schools are:

Blair 51.4
Gaithersburg HS 53.7
Kennedy 55.1
Northwood 50.8
Seneca Valley 47.2
Watkins Mill 54
Wheaton 62.7

According to MD Report Card, which may have different rules or source for FARMS, the schools not in the boundary studies and a FARMS population of more than 40% are:
Blake 54.8
Magruder 49.3
Paint Branch 59.2
Rockville 48.9
Sherwood 21.6
Springbrook 63.6

So Region 2 has three of the schools above, with Sherwood balancing it out. These schools aren't in any of the boundary studies. So we're looking at about a 49.8 percent FARMS rate

Region 5 has three schools above as well with Northwest and maybe Crown to balance it out. So let's say Crown has the same FARMS rate as Northwest the FARMS rate for this group would be 44.46, which we're saying is the average.

But then no other region either has this number of high FARM schools or has very low FARMS schools to balance it out.

For example:

Region 1: 34.34, with Blair's numbers probably changing if they remove the countywide magnet program

Region 3: 38.775, and this is counting Woodward's FARMS numbers to be the same as Wheatons 62.7 but likely isn't forecasted to be this high in any of the current proposed options

Region 4: 37.02

Region 6: 28.82, with Quince Orchard's numbers actually going to be lower with ten percent of it's FARMS population going to Crown

So while the overall average of FARMS in MCPS might be about 44 percent, only regions 2 and 5, looks like they'll have an average FARMS rate of above 40%

Regions 3 and 4 are a little bit over 35 percent, not quite 40 percent. So would consider this the average.

Region 1 is relatively low, below 35 percent.

And region 6, with the lowest at 28.8 percent and likely will go lower with Crown taking some of Quince Orchard's FARMS students.

So the FARMS distribution isn't that spread out across all the regions evenly and you still have disparity in the underserved areas, such as the East county and some of the Gaithersburg area

I posted the average FARMs rates for each proposed region a couple of pages back.

I overestimated the FARMS rate for Woodward, making it match Wheatons at 62 percent, when most proposals forecast it to be about 35 percent. And underestimated Crowns to match Northwest's even though some options show it be potentially 35 to 45 percent. This is to try to make Region 3's FARMS rate as high as possible, and region 5 as realistically low as possible.

Most of the regions fall in the expected 35 to 40 percent.

The exceptions are regions 2 (NEC plus Sherwood at 49.8), region 5 (44.4) and region 6 (28.8)

Regions 5 and 6 border each other and some schools can easily be swapped and bring the regions towards the middle of their current ones.

Region 2 should have the NEC schools split up and spread out. They can find regions for it that match the current drive between schools within the same proposed region.

Is there a point to balnce FARMS across regions? High school experience for most kids will be there home HS. It's a futile experience to try to balaqnce region. At best, HS in middle of region can be balanced to some extent.

It’s a new attempt to bus in bus out to achieve balancing FARMS across the regions, at expense of social wellbeing of the students

Confused how this harms students’ socially when they have a choice to….. not do it.

This provides options for students in schools where options are perhaps more needed

Even when students choose to attend schools far from home voluntarily, they often don’t fully understand what they’re giving up, like close friendships, community support, and a sense of belonging. Being far away can lead to isolation and disconnect, especially at a time in life when those social connections really matter. Without clear guidance, these choices can end up doing more harm than good in the long run, both for the students and the communities they leave behind.

Well I understand that perspective but in the DCC that ship has long since sailed. I am interested in programming that will strengthen the options these kids have.

The DCC model has not proven to be effective. In practice, consortia are struggling rather than thriving. Given these challenges, expanding this model to the rest of the county raises serious concerns about its viability and long-term impact.

The DCC model is not what is proposed. It’s a regional program model not a simple choice model.

+1. And Taylor was asked at the last meeting about why the DCC/NEC model has not been effective, and he said one reason is that BCC and Sherwood had been excluded, despite the original discussions to include them. It seems clear they are at least trying to make these regions avoid that situation.