Storage Pouches for APS High Schools

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

The decision on pouches was from the administrators and teachers, not a parent led movement.

The advance of the pouch is just one teacher deals with an unruly student, once it’s in the pouch it’s there for the day, so no phone whack-a-mole.

I’m still confused by why your method works, as there is nothing unique about it — do you confiscate while other teachers don’t?

From what you describe, I am thinking you are at HBW, which will likely have less issue with phones because of the application filter.

No it was definitely a certain group of parents called APE who lobbied for bell to bell bans for all grades and pouches.

Is this public record, were they at school board meetings?

Yes it's public. They weren't satisfied with restrictions during classes like APS did at beginning of the year because they didn't want high school kids to be able to peek at their phones between classes - oh the horror. They kept pushing until they got bell to bell at all levels. So thank APE for your 18 year old being forced to lock their phone in a pouch while they try to apply to college.

Please post links where they strong armed the school board so other parents can see how they can enact change they care about.

Glad you asked about the APE playbook: Start an astroturf group, get funded by MAGA dark money but never ever disclose your funding sources.

I don’t know why you keep saying that no phones in classroom is a MAGA issue. They want kids dumber, so they will be easy to manipulate. Keeping the phones in the class does exactly that.

This isn't about phones in classrooms, most are against that.

I’m sorry, what are you talking about?

required storage pouches all day

But phones away all day is the only way to keep them out of the classrooms — that’s been demonstrate time and again. Pouches aren’t great, I would prefer lockers but probably the logistics come into play.

DP. That’s bull. Of course it’s not the “only way.” Shoe organizers also work, for example.

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I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

The decision on pouches was from the administrators and teachers, not a parent led movement.

The advance of the pouch is just one teacher deals with an unruly student, once it’s in the pouch it’s there for the day, so no phone whack-a-mole.

I’m still confused by why your method works, as there is nothing unique about it — do you confiscate while other teachers don’t?

From what you describe, I am thinking you are at HBW, which will likely have less issue with phones because of the application filter.

No it was definitely a certain group of parents called APE who lobbied for bell to bell bans for all grades and pouches.

Is this public record, were they at school board meetings?

Yes it's public. They weren't satisfied with restrictions during classes like APS did at beginning of the year because they didn't want high school kids to be able to peek at their phones between classes - oh the horror. They kept pushing until they got bell to bell at all levels. So thank APE for your 18 year old being forced to lock their phone in a pouch while they try to apply to college.

Please post links where they strong armed the school board so other parents can see how they can enact change they care about.

Glad you asked about the APE playbook: Start an astroturf group, get funded by MAGA dark money but never ever disclose your funding sources.

I don’t know why you keep saying that no phones in classroom is a MAGA issue. They want kids dumber, so they will be easy to manipulate. Keeping the phones in the class does exactly that.

This isn't about phones in classrooms, most are against that.

I’m sorry, what are you talking about?

required storage pouches all day

But phones away all day is the only way to keep them out of the classrooms — that’s been demonstrate time and again. Pouches aren’t great, I would prefer lockers but probably the logistics come into play.

DP. That’s bulk. Of course it’s not the “only way.” Shoe organizers also work, for example.

But then you are juggling phones for 15 min for EVERY class. A phone locker or the pouches are limited to start and end of day.

It also helps prevent phone zombie lunch.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

MY kids phone hasn’t been the problem, it’s the OTHER kids who are playing phone videos which trigger movement at the corner of their eye, or requires teacher to interrupt class

My kids phone is a brick during the day.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

MY kids phone hasn’t been the problem, it’s the OTHER kids who are playing phone videos which trigger movement at the corner of their eye, or requires teacher to interrupt class

My kids phone is a brick during the day.

lol. You suddenly care about these “other kids”? I almost guarantee you YOUR kids are the problem. All of them already know how to circumvent safeguards. If you cared so much about cellphones during school time, your kids would be leaving them at home.

They get their entitlement from their parents I see.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

MY kids phone hasn’t been the problem, it’s the OTHER kids who are playing phone videos which trigger movement at the corner of their eye, or requires teacher to interrupt class

My kids phone is a brick during the day.

lol. You suddenly care about these “other kids”? I almost guarantee you YOUR kids are the problem. All of them already know how to circumvent safeguards. If you cared so much about cellphones during school time, your kids would be leaving them at home.

They get their entitlement from their parents I see.

I don’t care your kids, that’s fair. I just don’t want them making the learning environment difficult for my kids.

My kids often leave their phones in the car, I can see that in Find My.

I’m in tech; trust me they aren’t getting around the safeguards I have in place. The bigger issue is they can still pass notes in class via the laptops, even with messaging disabled (which is hit or miss), they often create shared documents and chat in real time edits.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

We should trust teachers to decide what works best for them.

We all saw how APE treated teachers during the pandemic so it’s not surprising that they want to force this on them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

MY kids phone hasn’t been the problem, it’s the OTHER kids who are playing phone videos which trigger movement at the corner of their eye, or requires teacher to interrupt class

My kids phone is a brick during the day.

lol. You suddenly care about these “other kids”? I almost guarantee you YOUR kids are the problem. All of them already know how to circumvent safeguards. If you cared so much about cellphones during school time, your kids would be leaving them at home.

They get their entitlement from their parents I see.

I don’t care your kids, that’s fair. I just don’t want them making the learning environment difficult for my kids.

My kids often leave their phones in the car, I can see that in Find My.

I’m in tech; trust me they aren’t getting around the safeguards I have in place. The bigger issue is they can still pass notes in class via the laptops, even with messaging disabled (which is hit or miss), they often create shared documents and chat in real time edits.

What apps do you use to brick their phone?

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

MY kids phone hasn’t been the problem, it’s the OTHER kids who are playing phone videos which trigger movement at the corner of their eye, or requires teacher to interrupt class

My kids phone is a brick during the day.

lol. You suddenly care about these “other kids”? I almost guarantee you YOUR kids are the problem. All of them already know how to circumvent safeguards. If you cared so much about cellphones during school time, your kids would be leaving them at home.

They get their entitlement from their parents I see.

I don’t care your kids, that’s fair. I just don’t want them making the learning environment difficult for my kids.

My kids often leave their phones in the car, I can see that in Find My.

I’m in tech; trust me they aren’t getting around the safeguards I have in place. The bigger issue is they can still pass notes in class via the laptops, even with messaging disabled (which is hit or miss), they often create shared documents and chat in real time edits.

What apps do you use to brick their phone?

Three ways.

Built in screentime limits, especially they unable to install or delete apps, and specific sites blocked at phone level. Apps have strict time limits and they are unable to change their pin, Apple account settings, or the phone time.

For additional security I overlay an MDM profile with more rules using Apple Configurator. https://support.apple.com/apple-configurator

Finally, I have logged into my laptop with their iCloud account (separate logins). So I can login to their account at anytime from my MacBook and review their recent photo stream, browser history (private mode disabled), and iPhone messages. They don’t have social media apps installed; they are allowed to login into sites like instagram voa safari, but during school hours the browser is disabled, and all they can do is message a subset of contacts and use the phone, calculator, calendar, and maps.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

We should trust teachers to decide what works best for them.

We all saw how APE treated teachers during the pandemic so it’s not surprising that they want to force this on them.

Have there been any teacher, other than maybe an art teacher using the camera, who advocates for a phones to be in the classroom? By making phones away all day they won’t really have to do much of anything.

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A lot of parents just don't get it. It's not that we are advocating for phones to be out in the classroom. It's that we object to being mandated how to manage our classrooms, and we think pouches are a terrible idea. We also see it as our jobs to help students learn self management skills. I'm also a parent of adult children.

Ask yourself, if a high school student is made to lock their phone in a pouch all through high school, how do you expect them to manage it during college? Do you think that's going to go well?

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Anonymous wrote:Is APE going to pay for the pouch my kid will lose?

Well he doesn’t lose his phone, so the school will rightly deduce he ditched it so you will be on the hook.

How do you know what my kid has or has not lost?

Because if you’re worried about the cost of the pouch, then if he’s been losing phones, you’ll stop giving him phones long before he loses the pouch

If YOU are so against phones, why don't YOU not give your kid a phone and stop worrying about other people's kids?

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

The decision on pouches was from the administrators and teachers, not a parent led movement.

The advance of the pouch is just one teacher deals with an unruly student, once it’s in the pouch it’s there for the day, so no phone whack-a-mole.

I’m still confused by why your method works, as there is nothing unique about it — do you confiscate while other teachers don’t?

From what you describe, I am thinking you are at HBW, which will likely have less issue with phones because of the application filter.

No it was definitely a certain group of parents called APE who lobbied for bell to bell bans for all grades and pouches.

Is this public record, were they at school board meetings?

Yes it's public. They weren't satisfied with restrictions during classes like APS did at beginning of the year because they didn't want high school kids to be able to peek at their phones between classes - oh the horror. They kept pushing until they got bell to bell at all levels. So thank APE for your 18 year old being forced to lock their phone in a pouch while they try to apply to college.

It’s not like the college is going to cold call them while they are in class.

My HS student leaves their phone in their glovebox rather than bother with pouch.

I guess your kid hasn't applied to college yet. It's not the same as the 90s. You'll see.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

The decision on pouches was from the administrators and teachers, not a parent led movement.

The advance of the pouch is just one teacher deals with an unruly student, once it’s in the pouch it’s there for the day, so no phone whack-a-mole.

I’m still confused by why your method works, as there is nothing unique about it — do you confiscate while other teachers don’t?

From what you describe, I am thinking you are at HBW, which will likely have less issue with phones because of the application filter.

No it was definitely a certain group of parents called APE who lobbied for bell to bell bans for all grades and pouches.

Is this public record, were they at school board meetings?

Yes it's public. They weren't satisfied with restrictions during classes like APS did at beginning of the year because they didn't want high school kids to be able to peek at their phones between classes - oh the horror. They kept pushing until they got bell to bell at all levels. So thank APE for your 18 year old being forced to lock their phone in a pouch while they try to apply to college.

Please post links where they strong armed the school board so other parents can see how they can enact change they care about.

Oh honey if you think this is all in public then you really were born yesterday.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

The decision on pouches was from the administrators and teachers, not a parent led movement.

The advance of the pouch is just one teacher deals with an unruly student, once it’s in the pouch it’s there for the day, so no phone whack-a-mole.

I’m still confused by why your method works, as there is nothing unique about it — do you confiscate while other teachers don’t?

From what you describe, I am thinking you are at HBW, which will likely have less issue with phones because of the application filter.

No it was definitely a certain group of parents called APE who lobbied for bell to bell bans for all grades and pouches.

Is this public record, were they at school board meetings?

Yes it's public. They weren't satisfied with restrictions during classes like APS did at beginning of the year because they didn't want high school kids to be able to peek at their phones between classes - oh the horror. They kept pushing until they got bell to bell at all levels. So thank APE for your 18 year old being forced to lock their phone in a pouch while they try to apply to college.

Please post links where they strong armed the school board so other parents can see how they can enact change they care about.

Glad you asked about the APE playbook: Start an astroturf group, get funded by MAGA dark money but never ever disclose your funding sources.

I don’t know why you keep saying that no phones in classroom is a MAGA issue. They want kids dumber, so they will be easy to manipulate. Keeping the phones in the class does exactly that.

This isn't about phones in classrooms, most are against that.

I’m sorry, what are you talking about?

required storage pouches all day

But phones away all day is the only way to keep them out of the classrooms — that’s been demonstrate time and again. Pouches aren’t great, I would prefer lockers but probably the logistics come into play.

Of course it's not the only way to keep them out of classrooms, that's just the fear and paranoia talking.