Storage Pouches for APS High Schools

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

MY kids phone hasn’t been the problem, it’s the OTHER kids who are playing phone videos which trigger movement at the corner of their eye, or requires teacher to interrupt class

My kids phone is a brick during the day.

lol. You suddenly care about these “other kids”? I almost guarantee you YOUR kids are the problem. All of them already know how to circumvent safeguards. If you cared so much about cellphones during school time, your kids would be leaving them at home.

They get their entitlement from their parents I see.

I don’t care your kids, that’s fair. I just don’t want them making the learning environment difficult for my kids.

My kids often leave their phones in the car, I can see that in Find My.

I’m in tech; trust me they aren’t getting around the safeguards I have in place. The bigger issue is they can still pass notes in class via the laptops, even with messaging disabled (which is hit or miss), they often create shared documents and chat in real time edits.

What apps do you use to brick their phone?

Three ways.

Built in screentime limits, especially they unable to install or delete apps, and specific sites blocked at phone level. Apps have strict time limits and they are unable to change their pin, Apple account settings, or the phone time.

For additional security I overlay an MDM profile with more rules using Apple Configurator. https://support.apple.com/apple-configurator

Finally, I have logged into my laptop with their iCloud account (separate logins). So I can login to their account at anytime from my MacBook and review their recent photo stream, browser history (private mode disabled), and iPhone messages. They don’t have social media apps installed; they are allowed to login into sites like instagram voa safari, but during school hours the browser is disabled, and all they can do is message a subset of contacts and use the phone, calculator, calendar, and maps.

How do you disable those?

To disable Safari's Private Browsing mode using Screen Time on an iPhone, you need to enable Content & Privacy Restrictions and then set the Web Content filter to "Limit Adult Websites". This will effectively prevent Private Browsing from being used.

1) Enable Screen Time: If you haven't already, go to Settings > Screen Time and set it up.
2) Turn on Content & Privacy Restrictions: In Screen Time, tap "Content & Privacy Restrictions" and enable the feature by toggling the switch at the top.
3) Set Content Restrictions: Tap "Content Restrictions".
4) Choose Web Content: Tap on "Web Content".
6) Select "Limit Adult Websites": This will prevent Safari from opening private browsing windows.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree with phones being out of the classroom. I also agree that the stupid pouches are a waste of money. You can put that phone in a locker or backpack and have real consequences for taking it out.

My kids don’t even have a phone. That’s an option too, parents.

MY kids phone hasn’t been the problem, it’s the OTHER kids who are playing phone videos which trigger movement at the corner of their eye, or requires teacher to interrupt class

My kids phone is a brick during the day.

lol. You suddenly care about these “other kids”? I almost guarantee you YOUR kids are the problem. All of them already know how to circumvent safeguards. If you cared so much about cellphones during school time, your kids would be leaving them at home.

They get their entitlement from their parents I see.

I don’t care your kids, that’s fair. I just don’t want them making the learning environment difficult for my kids.

My kids often leave their phones in the car, I can see that in Find My.

I’m in tech; trust me they aren’t getting around the safeguards I have in place. The bigger issue is they can still pass notes in class via the laptops, even with messaging disabled (which is hit or miss), they often create shared documents and chat in real time edits.

What apps do you use to brick their phone?

Three ways.

Built in screentime limits, especially they unable to install or delete apps, and specific sites blocked at phone level. Apps have strict time limits and they are unable to change their pin, Apple account settings, or the phone time.

For additional security I overlay an MDM profile with more rules using Apple Configurator. https://support.apple.com/apple-configurator

Finally, I have logged into my laptop with their iCloud account (separate logins). So I can login to their account at anytime from my MacBook and review their recent photo stream, browser history (private mode disabled), and iPhone messages. They don’t have social media apps installed; they are allowed to login into sites like instagram voa safari, but during school hours the browser is disabled, and all they can do is message a subset of contacts and use the phone, calculator, calendar, and maps.

How do you disable those?

To disable Safari's Private Browsing mode using Screen Time on an iPhone, you need to enable Content & Privacy Restrictions and then set the Web Content filter to "Limit Adult Websites". This will effectively prevent Private Browsing from being used.

1) Enable Screen Time: If you haven't already, go to Settings > Screen Time and set it up.
2) Turn on Content & Privacy Restrictions: In Screen Time, tap "Content & Privacy Restrictions" and enable the feature by toggling the switch at the top.
3) Set Content Restrictions: Tap "Content Restrictions".
4) Choose Web Content: Tap on "Web Content".
6) Select "Limit Adult Websites": This will prevent Safari from opening private browsing windows.

Thanks. And phone time?

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And what are the additional rules via the MDM profile?

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Anonymous wrote:And what are the additional rules via the MDM profile?

^ Debating if this step is worth it.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of parents just don't get it. It's not that we are advocating for phones to be out in the classroom. It's that we object to being mandated how to manage our classrooms, and we think pouches are a terrible idea. We also see it as our jobs to help students learn self management skills. I'm also a parent of adult children.

Ask yourself, if a high school student is made to lock their phone in a pouch all through high school, how do you expect them to manage it during college? Do you think that's going to go well?

Kids are required and often prodded by their parents to attend high school. In college they can sleep through every class. They can sleep IN CLASS. There are so many things they need to learn to manage, the phone is just one of many. Also colleges can more readily kick them out, so the higher stakes should help clarify for them.

This is why they need to learn how to manage devices now. Getting kicked out of college is a terrible outcome.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

We should trust teachers to decide what works best for them.

We all saw how APE treated teachers during the pandemic so it’s not surprising that they want to force this on them.

Have there been any teacher, other than maybe an art teacher using the camera, who advocates for a phones to be in the classroom? By making phones away all day they won’t really have to do much of anything.

Some of you will never get it so this is my last response on this thread. A different poster hit the nail on the head when she said as a teacher, I don’t feel respected. I don’t want phones in my class or allow them. But how dare you tell me how to best accomplish that with 16-18 year olds when I really doubt you work with 30 of them daily on a regular basis. Having your own kids is not the same.

I have my own teens and the parent dynamic is different than when you are a teacher. This is not about using phones in my class. We agree on that. This is about how this is another area teachers have lost control in their classroom and we have outside people who don’t work with kids telling us what is best because of “the research” and how we have to enforce their latest fad. It’s the flavor of the month.

I have to say I’m impressed that you have swapped the “my kid needs their phone for reasons” to “you are disrespecting teachers”.

So you are saying these are near adults, we should let the kids bring in their BB guns, drones, laser pointers, water pistols, and the 18 year olds can open carry and bring in their vape, the teachers can manage as they see fit.

And this is the problem right here. You are so irrational that you're equating a communication device with weapons and drugs.

Drones, laser pontees, and water pistols are not weapons.

If you really can't distinguish between these items and a phone, I can't help you. Use your brain.

You were saying let the teacher handle it. I say it’s okay for administrators to ban items, and you thus agree

Ok let’s ban pencils, pens, water bottles and backpacks. Purses too.

Now you are being obtuse, ironically. I stated the administration had the right to decide to ban phones, just like you say they can ban things like drones and laser pointers, rather than leaving it up to teacher discretion.

You are just listing school supplies, in some weird comeback. My examples were sincere and rational support of my argument. Your response is trying to mock me and doesn’t support your side of the debate.

Pencils and pens can be weapons. Water bottles can be filled with alcohol. Backpacks can be used to hide drugs and weapons. So let’s ban them all because you seem really pro sweeping bans by admins.

Do these items also have other value? Too bad!

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of parents just don't get it. It's not that we are advocating for phones to be out in the classroom. It's that we object to being mandated how to manage our classrooms, and we think pouches are a terrible idea. We also see it as our jobs to help students learn self management skills. I'm also a parent of adult children.

Ask yourself, if a high school student is made to lock their phone in a pouch all through high school, how do you expect them to manage it during college? Do you think that's going to go well?

Kids are required and often prodded by their parents to attend high school. In college they can sleep through every class. They can sleep IN CLASS. There are so many things they need to learn to manage, the phone is just one of many. Also colleges can more readily kick them out, so the higher stakes should help clarify for them.

This is why they need to learn how to manage devices now. Getting kicked out of college is a terrible outcome.

They have the rest of the day to learn that skill from their parents.

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Anonymous wrote:A lot of parents just don't get it. It's not that we are advocating for phones to be out in the classroom. It's that we object to being mandated how to manage our classrooms, and we think pouches are a terrible idea. We also see it as our jobs to help students learn self management skills. I'm also a parent of adult children.

Ask yourself, if a high school student is made to lock their phone in a pouch all through high school, how do you expect them to manage it during college? Do you think that's going to go well?

Kids are required and often prodded by their parents to attend high school. In college they can sleep through every class. They can sleep IN CLASS. There are so many things they need to learn to manage, the phone is just one of many. Also colleges can more readily kick them out, so the higher stakes should help clarify for them.

This is why they need to learn how to manage devices now. Getting kicked out of college is a terrible outcome.

They have the rest of the day to learn that skill from their parents.

Sorry no I as a parent can't teach them that during class because I am not in school.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not an absolutist. I agree that cellphones have no place during instructional time, but I'm less worried about lunch and transitions, particularly in high school. How can kids learn how to use tech responsibly if we take it away from them until they graduate?

There were very convincing arguments about flexibility too, about how kids used phones for in-class projects at teachers' discretion prior to the total ban.

Why does everything have to be black and white? The people who are cheering about the cellphone ban are now gunning for the iPads and laptops. Which again, I can be convinced really aren't developmentally appropriate in K-2, but older kids gotta learn about it anyway to remain part of an interconnected global society.

I remember someone saying in the old AEM that it was just election-year red meat. I agree.

+1

Outside agitators trying to stir things up.

Let the schools/teachers decide what works best for them.

Your teachers and your admin have banned them. They already decided and you lost. As is every major school district private school etc in the country.

I support the teacher’s ban, a$$wipe. Fortunately, it’s not super restrictive.

I don’t support outside agitators stirring up sht with our schools.

I'm good with no phone in class. Not at all okay with making an 18 year old lock their phone in a pouch, and paying some company for dumb pouches.

I’m ok making them available to teachers who want to use them. But I’m not forcing teachers if they don’t think they’re necessary for their class.

DP and I teach older kids. This is how I feel. Make them available but don’t force me to police pouches or lockers for older teens. I have good classroom management and have not had any issues with phones. This is giving me something else to do. It’s often asked on her how teachers feel like we keep getting piled on with one more thing. This is an example. I’m asked to micro manage these older teens or young adults and police cells phones when I should be left alone to teach.

I’m sorry, but your approach is going to be the clueless teacher upfront lecturing to the class, meanwhile, they’ll be many kids trying to focus on what you’re saying who is peripheral vision will be distracted by all the motion and ears assaulted by high-pitched noise from their neighbors TikTok binge

Just stop. PP doesn’t have an issue with kids using phones in the classroom.

The only clueless person here is you.

I would love to hear their classroom management technique that makes them immune to a nationwide problem? If they aren’t patrolling their kids cell phone use, in the mass of 30 kids there will be phones in use. It sounds like as long as they don’t hear it, they don’t care? But I would like them to clarify.

I’ll clarify. It’s my post you are talking about and it’s not as rampant in good classrooms as there scare tactic posts are making it out to be. I’ve been doing this for over 25 years now. Kids are not streaming videos in class, contrary to what you are reading. If you get any kid insistent on doing like you describe I’d deal with anyone who would be that disrespectful and disruptive to the class. This is as bad as being off task or loudly talking.

I can do a number of things, warnings, contact home, go through my schools discipline channels, parent meetings, etc.

Locking up everyone’s phones is not the answer. This is like saying all desks need to be in single rows, separated, forever and silent work because it will prevent kids from talking since groups are too distracting and teens can’t handle collaboration or group work.

If you teach in APS, so happy I pulled for private.

I always like to have a conversation. What part of my post don’t you like? I do teach in public school but sent my own children to private school, same as you. I also have a lot of frustrations with the public school system but that’s a different thread.

DP. For me it’s the way you say it’s fine because you have handled it, in your eyes. Have none of your colleagues had problems? I would imagine you would have heard the musing and opinions on the APS ban? What high school are you at; HBW will be different than WL for a number of reasons for example.

I’m not going to tell you which school I work at since I’m starting to give personal information out. Yes, some of my colleagues have had issues and love pouches and a complete ban. This is why I am a fan of having them available to those that want to use them but not making them mandatory. I do not think students should have cells out in classes. I have a problem when anyone tells me I have to accomplish that by doing a particular thing. They don’t know what’s best when they have never set foot in my classroom.

We should trust teachers to decide what works best for them.

We all saw how APE treated teachers during the pandemic so it’s not surprising that they want to force this on them.

Have there been any teacher, other than maybe an art teacher using the camera, who advocates for a phones to be in the classroom? By making phones away all day they won’t really have to do much of anything.

Some of you will never get it so this is my last response on this thread. A different poster hit the nail on the head when she said as a teacher, I don’t feel respected. I don’t want phones in my class or allow them. But how dare you tell me how to best accomplish that with 16-18 year olds when I really doubt you work with 30 of them daily on a regular basis. Having your own kids is not the same.

I have my own teens and the parent dynamic is different than when you are a teacher. This is not about using phones in my class. We agree on that. This is about how this is another area teachers have lost control in their classroom and we have outside people who don’t work with kids telling us what is best because of “the research” and how we have to enforce their latest fad. It’s the flavor of the month.

Please. They told you to use Canvas, right? To put certain things in your syllabus? How much tests can count for? This ain’t new.