Connecticut Ave bike lanes are back!

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

On Connecticut! Are you insane?

If there were protected bike lanes, it would be safer to do this.

Even with a bike lane, CT is too dangerous for anyone up to late teens. You're going to be inches from trucks/buses doing 40+, cars trying to make turns in gaps in traffic, and the general bad driving/aggression of the daily commute. You'll need to be able to read/anticipate traffic in a way that only an experienced rider/driver can do. This is a big part of why I'm not a fan of CT bike lanes. It fails the "would you let a kid ride here by themselves?" test.

This is just your own conjecture. There is absolutely no scientific proof to what you are suggesting.

Protected bike lanes are safer. Period.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

On Connecticut! Are you insane?

If there were protected bike lanes, it would be safer to do this.

Even with a bike lane, CT is too dangerous for anyone up to late teens. You're going to be inches from trucks/buses doing 40+, cars trying to make turns in gaps in traffic, and the general bad driving/aggression of the daily commute. You'll need to be able to read/anticipate traffic in a way that only an experienced rider/driver can do. This is a big part of why I'm not a fan of CT bike lanes. It fails the "would you let a kid ride here by themselves?" test.

This is just your own conjecture. There is absolutely no scientific proof to what you are suggesting.

Protected bike lanes are safer. Period.

There is a difference between being safer than driving on the street currently, and "safe enough kids can ride to school by themselves." In fact, there is a world of difference.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

On the one hand, it's "the most heavily traveled north-south road in DC". On the other hand, "there is no need for kids to bike on it".

Huh.

Oh, I get it, when you say "the most heavily traveled", you're not talking about people in general, you're talking exclusively about people in motor vehicles. Well, how about we also make it safe and comfortable for people who are not in motor vehicles to use Connecticut Ave? Don't kids go to the stores etc. on Connecticut Ave?

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

On the one hand, it's "the most heavily traveled north-south road in DC". On the other hand, "there is no need for kids to bike on it".

Huh.

Oh, I get it, when you say "the most heavily traveled", you're not talking about people in general, you're talking exclusively about people in motor vehicles. Well, how about we also make it safe and comfortable for people who are not in motor vehicles to use Connecticut Ave? Don't kids go to the stores etc. on Connecticut Ave?

Arguing that elementary school kids should be biking on Connecticut shows extremely poor judgement.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

On the one hand, it's "the most heavily traveled north-south road in DC". On the other hand, "there is no need for kids to bike on it".

Huh.

Oh, I get it, when you say "the most heavily traveled", you're not talking about people in general, you're talking exclusively about people in motor vehicles. Well, how about we also make it safe and comfortable for people who are not in motor vehicles to use Connecticut Ave? Don't kids go to the stores etc. on Connecticut Ave?

Arguing that elementary school kids should be biking on Connecticut shows extremely poor judgement.

Why? I don't think anybody is saying that elementary school kids should be biking on Connecticut NOW. The idea is to make Connecticut safe for elementary school kids to bike on. Elementary school kids should be able to bike on Connecticut, safely and comfortably. It should be safe and comfortable for elementary school kids to bike on Connecticut.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

This is why some people have advocated making Reno/34th the "spine" of Ward 3 bike infrastructure. You then have "ribs" linking up to JR. Deal, Janney, Eaton and some privates, not to mention connecting to businesses on CT and Wisconsin via side streets. Way more useful and not nearly as heavy a political lift.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

Schools that aren't on side streets:

franklin montessori
UDC
Burke
Stanford
Howard Law

Schools that are a block off Conn Ave
Aiden Montessori
Murch
Levine

Schools that are two blocks off
WIS
John Eaton

There are a ton of kids who could and would use the avenue to bike to school (or their parnets would bike them for the younger ones) if it were safe

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

This is why some people have advocated making Reno/34th the "spine" of Ward 3 bike infrastructure. You then have "ribs" linking up to JR. Deal, Janney, Eaton and some privates, not to mention connecting to businesses on CT and Wisconsin via side streets. Way more useful and not nearly as heavy a political lift.

Reno isn't an option. DDOT studied and rejected it. Not going to happen. That is why everyone has coalesced around Connecticut Avenue and were shocked when the interim director suggested more study for an alternative north to south route...there isn't one.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

This is why some people have advocated making Reno/34th the "spine" of Ward 3 bike infrastructure. You then have "ribs" linking up to JR. Deal, Janney, Eaton and some privates, not to mention connecting to businesses on CT and Wisconsin via side streets. Way more useful and not nearly as heavy a political lift.

Reno isn't an option. DDOT studied and rejected it. Not going to happen. That is why everyone has coalesced around Connecticut Avenue and were shocked when the interim director suggested more study for an alternative north to south route...there isn't one.

I would love to read a write up on this. I can't imagine any problems with Reno that aren't much worse on Connecticut.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

This is why some people have advocated making Reno/34th the "spine" of Ward 3 bike infrastructure. You then have "ribs" linking up to JR. Deal, Janney, Eaton and some privates, not to mention connecting to businesses on CT and Wisconsin via side streets. Way more useful and not nearly as heavy a political lift.

Reno isn't an option. DDOT studied and rejected it. Not going to happen. That is why everyone has coalesced around Connecticut Avenue and were shocked when the interim director suggested more study for an alternative north to south route...there isn't one.

I would love to read a write up on this. I can't imagine any problems with Reno that aren't much worse on Connecticut.

From what I remember, it was the cyclists who demanded Connecticut because it's more prestigious. The alternative argument was that it would be too politically difficult because the residents would fight it, which is ironic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

Schools that aren't on side streets:

franklin montessori
UDC
Burke
Stanford
Howard Law

Schools that are a block off Conn Ave
Aiden Montessori
Murch
Levine

Schools that are two blocks off
WIS
John Eaton

There are a ton of kids who could and would use the avenue to bike to school (or their parnets would bike them for the younger ones) if it were safe

You want pre-schoolers to bike on their own on Connecticut and think law students are kids?

There is no scenario, absent complete region wide population collapse, where kids bicycling on Connecticut is a good idea.

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

Schools that aren't on side streets:

franklin montessori
UDC
Burke
Stanford
Howard Law

Schools that are a block off Conn Ave
Aiden Montessori
Murch
Levine

Schools that are two blocks off
WIS
John Eaton

There are a ton of kids who could and would use the avenue to bike to school (or their parnets would bike them for the younger ones) if it were safe

You want pre-schoolers to bike on their own on Connecticut and think law students are kids?

There is no scenario, absent complete region wide population collapse, where kids bicycling on Connecticut is a good idea.

DP. Pre-schoolers have parents, who can either bike the kids or bike with the kids.

Why is there no scenario where kids bicycling on Connecticut is a good idea?

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Anonymous wrote:I like the IDEA of bike lanes. But I have to say that when I was trying to work and raise three kids, at three different schools, with the associated activities, playdates and doctor's appointments, I could barely manage WITH a car. No chance it would have worked on a bike.

If only there was a safe way for some of your kids to get to some of their destination via mode of transportation that they controlled...

Right on. I and a bunch of other kids I went to school with used to ride our bikes to and from school and activities from middle school up through most of high school. Now.. I am a bit older, so back when this was happening pick up trucks were like 2/3rds the size they are today at worst and SUV's didn't really exist.

The whole bigger is better and safer (maybe for the occupants of that vehicle?) craze that has permeated our country has really taken away freedom from both parents and kids and they didn't even consider it.

Kids already bike to all the schools near Connecticut. Doing it on Connecticut is not needed and something no parent would ever allow their elementary school student to do.

More would do it if it were safer.

No. They wouldn't. Connecticut Ave is the most heavily traveled North-South road in DC and the schools are on the side streets. There is no need for kids to bike on it and it will always be a bad idea for them to do so.

This is an example of the proponents being woefully out of touch with the area, because they don't live there.

This is why some people have advocated making Reno/34th the "spine" of Ward 3 bike infrastructure. You then have "ribs" linking up to JR. Deal, Janney, Eaton and some privates, not to mention connecting to businesses on CT and Wisconsin via side streets. Way more useful and not nearly as heavy a political lift.

Reno isn't an option. DDOT studied and rejected it. Not going to happen. That is why everyone has coalesced around Connecticut Avenue and were shocked when the interim director suggested more study for an alternative north to south route...there isn't one.

I would love to read a write up on this. I can't imagine any problems with Reno that aren't much worse on Connecticut.

From what I remember, it was the cyclists who demanded Connecticut because it's more prestigious. The alternative argument was that it would be too politically difficult because the residents would fight it, which is ironic.

"Prestigious"? Is that why you drive on Connecticut, because it's more prestigious?