Thanks to the bike party organizers!

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

I don't know the cyclist, perhaps they were getting ready to turn left.

Either way, the cyclist has the right to ride in the lane and it is illegal for the driver to cross the double yellow line.

So you are wrong on both counts.

There is no blanket prohibition for crossing a double yellow line in DC. However, the cyclist has recorded themselves committing at least one clear traffic violation.

You need a driving refresher if you believe this.

And what law did the cyclist break?

Please cite me the DC Code. The cyclist on the other hand clearly committed a traffic violation and helpfully even provided the evidence.

18 DCMR § 2201.2
​Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand plane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road, driveway, or alley.

Bikes are allowed to take the full lane, look it up.

They would rather spend hours trying to prove one biker break one minor rule rather than show concern about cars and their respective traffic violations.
FWIW, looking at those photos it's pretty clear they're in that lane due to the cars parked on the right. It also appears to be a one lane road

Show me where in the DC Code the car committed a traffic violation.

This is really the problem with you cyclists. You do not even know the traffic laws and you are out here preaching while breaking them left, right and center.

Crossing a double yellow to pass another vehicle is about as blatant a moving violation as exists on the books.

if so, you surely can cite me the DC Code that says so. I’ll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

I don't know the cyclist, perhaps they were getting ready to turn left.

Either way, the cyclist has the right to ride in the lane and it is illegal for the driver to cross the double yellow line.

So you are wrong on both counts.

There is no blanket prohibition for crossing a double yellow line in DC. However, the cyclist has recorded themselves committing at least one clear traffic violation.

You need a driving refresher if you believe this.

And what law did the cyclist break?

Please cite me the DC Code. The cyclist on the other hand clearly committed a traffic violation and helpfully even provided the evidence.

18 DCMR § 2201.2
​Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand plane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road, driveway, or alley.

Bikes are allowed to take the full lane, look it up.

In this case, there are two lanes. The bicyclist has recorded themselves traveling in the left lane going 16 MPH with no obstructions in the right lane. The law requires them at that point to move to the right lane. They do not. That is a clear cut traffic violation.

I would sneer at you to “look it up”, but I already provided the relevant DC Code.

You should tell your friends to not film themselves breaking the law while trying to make some point about a car that they claim is breaking the law. It’s what the kids call a “self own”.

There are cars parked in the right lane, ergo there are not two lanes.

You show zero concern about the more dangerous car illegally crossing double yellow lines - a hard no, to pass the cyclist. The only time it is legal to cross double yellow lines is in the event of a left turn. Period, that is it.

This is why you people lose. Because you have bad faith and people get tired of this crap. If you want to pretend that there is not a photo in this thread of a cyclist going 16 MPH down a road in the left lane with an unobstructed right lane, you can go ahead and be crazy on your own.

"you people"

The cyclist has the legal right to take the full lane. The driver, impatient, passes illegally on the left. And then you wonder why people advocate for safer streets including bike lanes. You cannot even admit how wrong the driver is.

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You all are wasting your time talking to the cyclists on here. They don’t engage in comprise or deferral or understanding or debate, they feel as if their position is morally superior and will have a comeback (aka excuse) for anything said to them. They do not care what you have to say. Your thoughts and preferences mean nothing.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are wasting your time talking to the cyclists on here. They don’t engage in comprise or deferral or understanding or debate, they feel as if their position is morally superior and will have a comeback (aka excuse) for anything said to them. They do not care what you have to say. Your thoughts and preferences mean nothing.

To add, they are part of the authoritarians of the left:

"Intriguingly, the researchers found some common traits between left-wing and right-wing authoritarians, including a “preference for social uniformity, prejudice towards different others, willingness to wield group authority to coerce behavior, cognitive rigidity, aggression and punitiveness towards perceived enemies, outsized concern for hierarchy, and moral absolutism.”


https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/09/psychological-dimensions-left-wing-authoritarianism/620185/

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

I don't know the cyclist, perhaps they were getting ready to turn left.

Either way, the cyclist has the right to ride in the lane and it is illegal for the driver to cross the double yellow line.

So you are wrong on both counts.

There is no blanket prohibition for crossing a double yellow line in DC. However, the cyclist has recorded themselves committing at least one clear traffic violation.

You need a driving refresher if you believe this.

And what law did the cyclist break?

Please cite me the DC Code. The cyclist on the other hand clearly committed a traffic violation and helpfully even provided the evidence.

18 DCMR § 2201.2
​Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand plane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road, driveway, or alley.

Bikes are allowed to take the full lane, look it up.

In this case, there are two lanes. The bicyclist has recorded themselves traveling in the left lane going 16 MPH with no obstructions in the right lane. The law requires them at that point to move to the right lane. They do not. That is a clear cut traffic violation.

I would sneer at you to “look it up”, but I already provided the relevant DC Code.

You should tell your friends to not film themselves breaking the law while trying to make some point about a car that they claim is breaking the law. It’s what the kids call a “self own”.

There are cars parked in the right lane, ergo there are not two lanes.

You show zero concern about the more dangerous car illegally crossing double yellow lines - a hard no, to pass the cyclist. The only time it is legal to cross double yellow lines is in the event of a left turn. Period, that is it.

This is why you people lose. Because you have bad faith and people get tired of this crap. If you want to pretend that there is not a photo in this thread of a cyclist going 16 MPH down a road in the left lane with an unobstructed right lane, you can go ahead and be crazy on your own.

"you people"

The cyclist has the legal right to take the full lane. The driver, impatient, passes illegally on the left. And then you wonder why people advocate for safer streets including bike lanes. You cannot even admit how wrong the driver is.

There is nothing in the DC Code that says that driver passing over double yellow is illegal. I can provide you a citation to the code that the driver did a legal thing, providing three feet of space to safely pass a cyclist.

I can also provide you a citation to the code that the cyclist did an illegal thing, being a slower moving vehicle in the left lane not moving to the right lane when it was unobstructed.

If you are going to bicycle, first you should really know the traffic law and second you should not break it.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are wasting your time talking to the cyclists on here. They don’t engage in comprise or deferral or understanding or debate, they feel as if their position is morally superior and will have a comeback (aka excuse) for anything said to them. They do not care what you have to say. Your thoughts and preferences mean nothing.

This is pretty much it. It is interesting that they do not see how much of their behavior is what ultimately killed the bike lanes that they so wanted. And their continued behavior is what will ensure that they will not happen any time soon.

The aggressiveness. The mendacity. The unethical behavior. And frankly the lying. I wonder what it is like living in a world where you don’t imagine that other people can see what you are doing.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are wasting your time talking to the cyclists on here. They don’t engage in comprise or deferral or understanding or debate, they feel as if their position is morally superior and will have a comeback (aka excuse) for anything said to them. They do not care what you have to say. Your thoughts and preferences mean nothing.

This is pretty much it. It is interesting that they do not see how much of their behavior is what ultimately killed the bike lanes that they so wanted. And their continued behavior is what will ensure that they will not happen any time soon.

The aggressiveness. The mendacity. The unethical behavior. And frankly the lying. I wonder what it is like living in a world where you don’t imagine that other people can see what you are doing.

I suspect that a young guy out riding his bike by himself at 9pm on a beautiful spring Saturday night is easily aggrieved.

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Anonymous wrote:You all are wasting your time talking to the cyclists on here. They don’t engage in comprise or deferral or understanding or debate, they feel as if their position is morally superior and will have a comeback (aka excuse) for anything said to them. They do not care what you have to say. Your thoughts and preferences mean nothing.

This is pretty much it. It is interesting that they do not see how much of their behavior is what ultimately killed the bike lanes that they so wanted. And their continued behavior is what will ensure that they will not happen any time soon.

The aggressiveness. The mendacity. The unethical behavior. And frankly the lying. I wonder what it is like living in a world where you don’t imagine that other people can see what you are doing.

I suspect that a young guy out riding his bike by himself at 9pm on a beautiful spring Saturday night is easily aggrieved.

What is your point with this post? Please let us know what you are trying to instruct to us with this comeback.

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

this is gross

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Anonymous wrote:We have more than 150 miles of bike lanes. Seems like more than enough given how few people ride bikes.

We’ve built an entirely new transportation system, costing billions of dollars, for a tiny number of white guys who think they’re too good for the bus

Political power is getting a city with a 20 percent poverty rate, that’s cutting positions in schools because of budget constraints, to spend billions of dollars on your hobby

Here's a tiny sampling:

$36 million to expand bike lanes
$15 million to expand Capital Bikeshare
$1.3 million to hire people to clean bike lanes
$57 million to make K Street more bike/bus friendly
$21 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$18.5 million for bike/pedestrian bridge
$120,000 to buy electric bikes

There's $52 million to build a separate bridge to Virginia next to one that already is there, but this one would just be for bicyclists. $52 MILLION! This is something WABA has been pushing.

this is gross

It is part of the $2.3 billion project that is being paid for by the infrastructure bill; it was mostly requested by Virginia. If you want to complain, complain to Arlington and Senator Warner.

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link: https://www.washingtonpost.com/transportation/2023/08/29/va-seeks-federal-money-work-set-start-new-potomac-rail-bridge/

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one is pushing to "defund the police" and thus no response to the facts presented. Businesses believe more of their patrons are driving to support them than reality.

The studies in Cleveland Park itself show how many people are coming via foot and bike as compared to car.

“Studies” conducted by the Trump pollster who shills for development and the bike lobby.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

The first picture says that the car on the right was parked there. So the left lane is the only lane. The time stamp between the 3rd and 4th picture is multiple seconds apart and hasn't moved.

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Anonymous wrote:I see this type of driver behavior all.the.time.

But sure, its the bikes that are dangerous

The cyclist is traveling in the left lane at a rate of speed 1/3 below the speed limit and normal flow of traffic. The car made a pass that provided a safe distance between the cyclist and the vehicle. The cyclist complains that the pass was made over double yellow, okay, but the cyclist continues to travel in the left lane as a slower moving vehicle, demonstrating that they were determined not to let anyone pass them. It’s also funny to see cyclist claim they stopped at red light, when it looks like they are illegally in the crosswalk and the spedometer says 4 MPH, indicating that they are still moving and not actually stopped.

I don't know the cyclist, perhaps they were getting ready to turn left.

Either way, the cyclist has the right to ride in the lane and it is illegal for the driver to cross the double yellow line.

So you are wrong on both counts.

There is no blanket prohibition for crossing a double yellow line in DC. However, the cyclist has recorded themselves committing at least one clear traffic violation.

You need a driving refresher if you believe this.

And what law did the cyclist break?

Please cite me the DC Code. The cyclist on the other hand clearly committed a traffic violation and helpfully even provided the evidence.

18 DCMR § 2201.2
​Upon all roadways, any vehicle proceeding at less than the normal speed of traffic at the time and place and under the conditions then existing shall be driven in the right-hand plane then available for traffic, or as close as practicable to the right-hand curb or edge of the roadway, except when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction or when preparing for a left turn at an intersection or into a private road, driveway, or alley.

Bikes are allowed to take the full lane, look it up.

In this case, there are two lanes. The bicyclist has recorded themselves traveling in the left lane going 16 MPH with no obstructions in the right lane. The law requires them at that point to move to the right lane. They do not. That is a clear cut traffic violation.

I would sneer at you to “look it up”, but I already provided the relevant DC Code.

You should tell your friends to not film themselves breaking the law while trying to make some point about a car that they claim is breaking the law. It’s what the kids call a “self own”.

There are cars parked in the right lane, ergo there are not two lanes.

You show zero concern about the more dangerous car illegally crossing double yellow lines - a hard no, to pass the cyclist. The only time it is legal to cross double yellow lines is in the event of a left turn. Period, that is it.

This is why you people lose. Because you have bad faith and people get tired of this crap. If you want to pretend that there is not a photo in this thread of a cyclist going 16 MPH down a road in the left lane with an unobstructed right lane, you can go ahead and be crazy on your own.

"you people"

The cyclist has the legal right to take the full lane. The driver, impatient, passes illegally on the left. And then you wonder why people advocate for safer streets including bike lanes. You cannot even admit how wrong the driver is.

There is nothing in the DC Code that says that driver passing over double yellow is illegal. I can provide you a citation to the code that the driver did a legal thing, providing three feet of space to safely pass a cyclist.

I can also provide you a citation to the code that the cyclist did an illegal thing, being a slower moving vehicle in the left lane not moving to the right lane when it was unobstructed.

If you are going to bicycle, first you should really know the traffic law and second you should not break it.

The cyclist in the photo is approaching a red light in the second photo and then sitting at it. Probably to take a (legal) left hand turn.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Literally no one is pushing to "defund the police" and thus no response to the facts presented. Businesses believe more of their patrons are driving to support them than reality.

The studies in Cleveland Park itself show how many people are coming via foot and bike as compared to car.

“Studies” conducted by the Trump pollster who shills for development and the bike lobby.

So now DDOT and the Cleveland Park Main Street are Trump? Make that make sense.