Atheism is losing popularity because it won’t own it’s own sins

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

So you’ve gone ahead and completely dissociated DCUM’s atheists from any murders committed by atheist regimes. Yet you’re tagging all religious people everywhere, including DCUM’s religious folk posting today, with all deaths linked to any religion for the past several millennia. Hmmm, something about apples and oranges….

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Anonymous wrote:Remember that when you see a religious person, the only thing stoping them from raping and murdering you is their fear of Hell.

John 3:17, “For God did NOT send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”

Christianity isn’t rooted in fear; it’s built upon salvation, hope, and faith. It’s the profound belief that despite our shortcomings and in spite of not deserving mercy, the divine power assures us of salvation through faith, without demanding anything in return. This salvation is a gracious gift. It’s bewildering to perceive malevolence in a God who willingly forgives our transgressions and bears the consequences on our behalf. Yet, based on your viewpoint, it seems you might struggle to forgive those with differing beliefs. I genuinely hope that one day you’ll recognize the love of God, even if you currently feel otherwise. He’s extended His hand of forgiveness, offering you a lifeline. All you need to do is accept it. Thus, if anyone faces eternal suffering, it’s not God’s doing; He came to provide salvation. God wishes no harm upon anyone. Ultimately, the choice of our final destination lies with us. It’s not about threats but a rescue mission. The true question is, will you decline this offer of grace and total forgiveness? Remember, it’s readily available to you without any conditions. Just believe and trust the Jesus wants you to enjoy eternal life. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

I don't think you realize but you just 100% supported and proved PP's point.

No, if a person authentically accepts this offer, they become a new creation in Christ. They change in heart, mind, and spirit.

All people are sinners and need grace.

It’s really quite ironic that your ideology has killed the greatest number of people worldwide wide by far, and you think you have the right to judge anyone else. You have no moral authority to point out things others do wrong because you are hiding a pile of 100 million bodies under your bed, and when confronted with the truth, stick your fingers in your ears and hum very loudly.

The 100 million innocent people you have killed is why people tend to distrust and dislike atheists. We know what you have done.

No, according to the bubble graphic, atheists are responsible for killing 94 million people and believers are responsible for killing 350 million people.

So it seems like the deep belief in supernatural isn't really preventing people from killing others.

DP. Mass killings by atheist regimes only started around 2017. So within a single century atheists have reached about a quarter of what it took religion millennia to reach. Impressive?

All of those deaths were in the 20th century.
https://informationisbeautiful.net/visualizations/20th-century-death/

That'd be interesting to add up all of the killings over the millenia. Humans have believed in many different gods over the years...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

So you’ve gone ahead and completely dissociated DCUM’s atheists from any murders committed by atheist regimes. Yet you’re tagging all religious people everywhere, including DCUM’s religious folk posting today, with all deaths linked to any religion for the past several millennia. Hmmm, something about apples and oranges….

Where exactly do you think I did that? Which comment?

There were religious people who killed people. And there were atheist people who killed people. All were bad.

If we say that there were 94 million deaths by atheists in the 20th century then we can also say there were 350+ million deaths by religious people in the 20th century. I never blamed anyone on DCUM (or even any specific religion) for those deaths.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

Another intellectually dishonest post from an atheist who won’t even acknowledge atheists in communist countries killed 100 million of their own people.

You are not inspiring people to like or trust atheists or atheism because everyone can look at the history books and see what atheists in communist countries have done .

You don’t even say, yeah, that was a bad, bad thing, You don’t even acknowledge it, but blame current Christians for the flood that happened during Noah’s time (even though you don’t believe in God or the Bible.)

Real atheists in communist countries that mandated atheism killed 100 million people in the 20th century.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

So you’ve gone ahead and completely dissociated DCUM’s atheists from any murders committed by atheist regimes. Yet you’re tagging all religious people everywhere, including DCUM’s religious folk posting today, with all deaths linked to any religion for the past several millennia. Hmmm, something about apples and oranges….

Where exactly do you think I did that? Which comment?

There were religious people who killed people. And there were atheist people who killed people. All were bad.

If we say that there were 94 million deaths by atheists in the 20th century then we can also say there were 350+ million deaths by religious people in the 20th century. I never blamed anyone on DCUM (or even any specific religion) for those deaths.

Show us the Christian countries that mandated Christianity and killed 100 million of their own citizens in the 20th century.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

So you’ve gone ahead and completely dissociated DCUM’s atheists from any murders committed by atheist regimes. Yet you’re tagging all religious people everywhere, including DCUM’s religious folk posting today, with all deaths linked to any religion for the past several millennia. Hmmm, something about apples and oranges….

Where exactly do you think I did that? Which comment?

There were religious people who killed people. And there were atheist people who killed people. All were bad.

If we say that there were 94 million deaths by atheists in the 20th century then we can also say there were 350+ million deaths by religious people in the 20th century. I never blamed anyone on DCUM (or even any specific religion) for those deaths.

Show us the Christian countries that mandated Christianity and killed 100 million of their own citizens in the 20th century.

Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian nation with similarly overwhelmingly self-identified Christian leadership.

Under the Gleichschaltung (Nazification) process, Hitler attempted to create a unified Protestant Reich Church from Germany's 28 existing Protestant churches.

"We are no theologians, no representatives of the teaching profession in this sense, put forth no theology. But we claim one thing for ourselves: that we place the great fundamental idea of Christianity in the center of our ideology [Ideenwelt] – the hero and sufferer Christ himself stands in the center."

— Hans Schemm, Nazi Gauleiter

And of course, Gott Mitt Uns. Must I go on?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

Another intellectually dishonest post from an atheist who won’t even acknowledge atheists in communist countries killed 100 million of their own people.

You are not inspiring people to like or trust atheists or atheism because everyone can look at the history books and see what atheists in communist countries have done .

You don’t even say, yeah, that was a bad, bad thing, You don’t even acknowledge it, but blame current Christians for the flood that happened during Noah’s time (even though you don’t believe in God or the Bible.)

Real atheists in communist countries that mandated atheism killed 100 million people in the 20th century.

- I have already acknowledged that atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century a few times now.

- I also acknowledged that religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century.

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

So you’ve gone ahead and completely dissociated DCUM’s atheists from any murders committed by atheist regimes. Yet you’re tagging all religious people everywhere, including DCUM’s religious folk posting today, with all deaths linked to any religion for the past several millennia. Hmmm, something about apples and oranges….

Where exactly do you think I did that? Which comment?

There were religious people who killed people. And there were atheist people who killed people. All were bad.

If we say that there were 94 million deaths by atheists in the 20th century then we can also say there were 350+ million deaths by religious people in the 20th century. I never blamed anyone on DCUM (or even any specific religion) for those deaths.

Show us the Christian countries that mandated Christianity and killed 100 million of their own citizens in the 20th century.

Why? I haven't made any claims about Christian countries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

So you’ve gone ahead and completely dissociated DCUM’s atheists from any murders committed by atheist regimes. Yet you’re tagging all religious people everywhere, including DCUM’s religious folk posting today, with all deaths linked to any religion for the past several millennia. Hmmm, something about apples and oranges….

Where exactly do you think I did that? Which comment?

There were religious people who killed people. And there were atheist people who killed people. All were bad.

If we say that there were 94 million deaths by atheists in the 20th century then we can also say there were 350+ million deaths by religious people in the 20th century. I never blamed anyone on DCUM (or even any specific religion) for those deaths.

Show us the Christian countries that mandated Christianity and killed 100 million of their own citizens in the 20th century.

Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian nation with similarly overwhelmingly self-identified Christian leadership.

Under the Gleichschaltung (Nazification) process, Hitler attempted to create a unified Protestant Reich Church from Germany's 28 existing Protestant churches.

"We are no theologians, no representatives of the teaching profession in this sense, put forth no theology. But we claim one thing for ourselves: that we place the great fundamental idea of Christianity in the center of our ideology [Ideenwelt] – the hero and sufferer Christ himself stands in the center."

— Hans Schemm, Nazi Gauleiter

And of course, Gott Mitt Uns. Must I go on?

Hitler didn’t like Jewish people and he didn’t like Christians, either.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/04/20/hitler-hated-judaism-he-loathed-christianity-too/

[Anonymous]

The Führer has always shielded my consistent stance over the years, to the extent he could do so, given his position. Now, with a laugh, he repeatedly emphasized that he has been a pagan all along, and the time has come when the Christian poisoning is approaching its end.
Alfred Rosenberg Diary. In The Political Diary of Alfred Rosenberg and the Onset of the Holocaust (2015). Frank Bajohr and Jürgen Matthäus. Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, p. 36.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

So you’ve gone ahead and completely dissociated DCUM’s atheists from any murders committed by atheist regimes. Yet you’re tagging all religious people everywhere, including DCUM’s religious folk posting today, with all deaths linked to any religion for the past several millennia. Hmmm, something about apples and oranges….

Where exactly do you think I did that? Which comment?

There were religious people who killed people. And there were atheist people who killed people. All were bad.

If we say that there were 94 million deaths by atheists in the 20th century then we can also say there were 350+ million deaths by religious people in the 20th century. I never blamed anyone on DCUM (or even any specific religion) for those deaths.

I acknowledge that the communist killings are bad here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Atheists are distrusted and disliked by the general population because atheists killed at least 100 million people, and pretend it never happened.

You will never be able to rid yourselves of the specter of starvation, torture, and murder that every adult who has a rudimentary education knows that communism (with it’s bff atheism) violently and without conscience perpetrated against their own people.

You probably think you are doing something, going around, calling people out, questioning them, declaring them guilty and pretending you are a good person.

Yeah, right. Nobody is ever going to forget what your ideology has done.

Ok. Let's go with the high estimate that communists killed 94 million. That is terrible. Just as terrible as the 350 million people caused by religious people. No one should kill anyone else.

I'm curious why you think all atheists are communists? Where are you getting this misconception from? Did your religious leader tell you that?

I acknowledged that it was bad there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Remember that when you see a religious person, the only thing stoping them from raping and murdering you is their fear of Hell.

John 3:17, “For God did NOT send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”

Christianity isn’t rooted in fear; it’s built upon salvation, hope, and faith. It’s the profound belief that despite our shortcomings and in spite of not deserving mercy, the divine power assures us of salvation through faith, without demanding anything in return. This salvation is a gracious gift. It’s bewildering to perceive malevolence in a God who willingly forgives our transgressions and bears the consequences on our behalf. Yet, based on your viewpoint, it seems you might struggle to forgive those with differing beliefs. I genuinely hope that one day you’ll recognize the love of God, even if you currently feel otherwise. He’s extended His hand of forgiveness, offering you a lifeline. All you need to do is accept it. Thus, if anyone faces eternal suffering, it’s not God’s doing; He came to provide salvation. God wishes no harm upon anyone. Ultimately, the choice of our final destination lies with us. It’s not about threats but a rescue mission. The true question is, will you decline this offer of grace and total forgiveness? Remember, it’s readily available to you without any conditions. Just believe and trust the Jesus wants you to enjoy eternal life. Seems pretty reasonable to me.

So your god is cool if people rape and murder as long as they have faith?

You know that’s not how it works.

However, atheists are cool
with 100 million innocent people being starved, tortured, and killed by communist states that mandated atheism. I find it really hard to believe you care about people being raped and murdered, because your ideology is World Champion at murder.

I think it’s terrible when any human kills another human. Whether that the 98 million people killed by atheists or the 350 million people killed by religious people from the bubble diagram.

I acknowledged it here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:New recap:

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

- OP cares more about what “new atheists” say than actual atheists

Another intellectually dishonest post from an atheist who won’t even acknowledge atheists in communist countries killed 100 million of their own people.

You are not inspiring people to like or trust atheists or atheism because everyone can look at the history books and see what atheists in communist countries have done .

You don’t even say, yeah, that was a bad, bad thing, You don’t even acknowledge it, but blame current Christians for the flood that happened during Noah’s time (even though you don’t believe in God or the Bible.)

Real atheists in communist countries that mandated atheism killed 100 million people in the 20th century.

- I have already acknowledged that atheists in communist countries killed 94 million people in the 20th century a few times now.

- I also acknowledged that religious people in other countries killed 350+ million people in the 20th century.

- no DCUM atheists or "new atheists" are pushing for state-mandated atheism or killing people

- zero (or close to it) atheists in the US are responsible for the communist states or have any connection to them

- life with deep beliefs in supernatural forces has resulted in the deaths of many more people than life without those beliefs

According to modern estimates, approximately 1.7 million people died as a result of the Crusades, which took place in nine separate campaigns from 1095-1291 CE.

According to modern estimates, around 150,000 people were prosecuted for various offences during the three-century duration of the Spanish Inquisition, of whom between 3,000 and 5,000 were executed, approximately 2.7 percent of all cases.

Estimates for the total number of people killed in wars throughout all of human history range from 150 million to 1 billion.

Massive wars: There have been four wars since the birth of Christ that exceeded 30 million deaths:

Three Kingdoms (220–280 AD, China, no Christians);
Mongol Conquests (1220–1240 in Eastern Europe, Christians were motivated to defend their land);
Taiping Rebellion (1850–1864, China, few to no Christians); and
World War 2 (1939–1945, global, ideological motives).

Causes of wars: In an in-depth study of the 1,763 wars spanning all of recorded warfare, only 123 were found to involve a religious cause, accounting for less than 7 percent of all wars and less than 2 percent of all people killed in warfare.

Summary: If you take the very worst case of all these facts, you get:

1 billion people killed in all wars;
2% of these, or 20 million, killed in religious wars; and
perhaps half of these killed in Christian wars, or 10 million victims.

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Anonymous wrote:Sigh. You view atheism as a belief system, and you want to compare it to your own belief system. You think it's a battle between belief systems for subscribers. Like people choose between Christianity and atheism the way they choose between Netflix and Hulu.

No.

It's more like Christianity is Netflix, Hulu is Islam, Max is Judaism, the Criterion Collection is Buddhism. And atheism is throwing out your TV.

Of course faith has an appeal, even to those who have lived without it. Especially to those who have lived without it. Religion also offers community and people crave that. But religions themselves don't always work within a person's life. It is normal for people to lose faith but then become curious about it again. It's easy to be a skeptic at 22, and it's easier to be a believer at 62.

I think Jews get it right because they support people in losing their faith within the religion. You can tell your own rabbi "I don't believe," and it's fine, you're still Jewish and nothing changes. The religion is about more than just faith, which can be hard to sustain.

Anyway, you are fighting over something that just doesn't work that way. No one is converting to atheism. They just lose faith.

It's kind of tiresome. When one thread about athiesm dies down, another one pops up. It seems like someone is just begging for someone to argue with them. I have no idea if some are from the same poster or not, but holy crap get over it. Athiests are not coming after your Christian lifestyle. A lot (if not most) really don't give a damn.

Maybe it's someone who is losing their faith and is struggling with it. It's tough to learn that everything you've believed for decades is BS.

No, my faith has remained stable, and grows even in times of hardship and sadness on earth because I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I am grateful for the life He has given to me. No one can be taught to have a relationship with God. It’s something you come to on a personal level.

People are taught religion, but religion is not what people should center their life on-it’s their personal belief in Christ that brings joy and peace. Religion doesn’t always bring peace. God does.

I wonder what He thinks about You obsessing over atheism. On a Sunday morning.

He loves me- and you.

Which is exactly why he stays hidden while children die. Makes perfect sense.

And the atheists who killed 100+ million of their own people are completely ignored by you and other atheists because?

Men kill children, not God.

Why can’t men stop killing children? They have a moral code inside them they should be able to follow?

Atheists claim they can choose right from wrong- is that just atheists, but not all humans?

Can’t atheists show the rest of humanity how to be good and moral? It’s really needed.

Maybe write some books or open some atheist centers that can teach these things to other humans. Why are not helping humanity become better?

This is the same BS point as in the OP. It’s a complete fallacy. None of those things were done in the name of atheism.

Just in the same way, the crusades were not done in the name of not believing in Vishnu.

You are the one who believes in something that should be different if it was moral. It’s the classic problem of evil. It’s one of the great realizations and reasons to not believe in an omnipotent god. Because you realize that if he did exist, he would be horrible and that is contradictory. So must not be true.

So even though religion has flaws, in your opinion it has done nothing good?

And governments that mandated atheism had nothing to do with atheists?

And atheists know how to be good, moral people and help their fellow man by their own moral code, but have no interest in helping others and the world by explaining to others about this moral code that exists inside everyone?

You don’t have a responsibility to help your fellow man?

Your implication that atheists are immoral makes you a jerk. Because you know that’s not true. And you know that secular humanism is based on treating other people the way you want to be treated, which is as close to objective morality as we know exists.

Your belief system, however, includes a being who could stop all of the pain and suffering in the world in an instant, and chooses not to.

And you’re going to try and claim atheism is immoral? Wow that’s some twisted pretzel of logic there.

If humans have everything inside them to be good and moral- why aren’t they?

First, because morality isn’t objective. Second most humans.- and most I mean the vast majority - are what most other humans would consider good and moral

Yet an atheist answered that their moral code is whatever they think is right, based on their feelings.

People don’t have the same feelings and opinions about morals and ethics. At all.

Atheists state they have no defined rules or ethics or morals. No atheist subscribes to the same thoughts about anything except they deny God exists.

I don’t get how that is a moral code or ethics?

Are all atheists Secular Humanists?

Do you really not understand how it works for people to decide for themselves - based on their beliefs, their environment, their circumstances, their upbringing, etc - what is right and wrong?

So everyone who is an atheist will ignore 100 million dead?

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

That’s a pretty strong statement.

And pretty accurate.

Only because we didn't have declared atheist governments until 1917. But they're doing a great job catching up, just look at Ukraine.

I said "bad people", not "bad governments".

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

You discount the 100+ million innocent people killed their own communist-atheist government.



You can have your own opinion, but not your own facts.

Communism, with it’s state mandated atheism, is the #1 killer of people in the category “ideology” and those are facts.

Do you have any statistics that say otherwise?

I didn't say anything about specific categories.

Bad people kill people. Sometimes those bad people are atheist. Usually though, they are religious.

And here. Killing people is bad.