If you are wealthy would you send your kids to a W school over private?

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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.


My son does very well. We don't supplement.
If you don't understand why lower income kids do poorly at school you should do some research. The fact that more than 1 billionaire has made educating poor kids a pet project -- and failed at it --- should tell you something.


Yes of course, but why am I supposed to impressed that UMC kids do well in math? They would do well in almost any system. That tells me little to nothing about the quality of instruction.


Yay! You finally admit it. Can we end the thread now?


That wasn't the subject of the OP though, was it?

Why are you so triggered by this that you want to censor the topic?
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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.


My son does very well. We don't supplement.
If you don't understand why lower income kids do poorly at school you should do some research. The fact that more than 1 billionaire has made educating poor kids a pet project -- and failed at it --- should tell you something.


Yes of course, but why am I supposed to impressed that UMC kids do well in math? They would do well in almost any system. That tells me little to nothing about the quality of instruction.


Yay! You finally admit it. Can we end the thread now?


So you agree with me that MCPS has nothing to do with their success and we shouldn’t be acting as though the math instruction is superior to private schools? Great!
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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.


My son does very well. We don't supplement.
If you don't understand why lower income kids do poorly at school you should do some research. The fact that more than 1 billionaire has made educating poor kids a pet project -- and failed at it --- should tell you something.


Yes of course, but why am I supposed to impressed that UMC kids do well in math? They would do well in almost any system. That tells me little to nothing about the quality of instruction.


Yay! You finally admit it. Can we end the thread now?


So you agree with me that MCPS has nothing to do with their success and we shouldn’t be acting as though the math instruction is superior to private schools? Great!


I definitely do agree with that! But I also don’t think private instruction is superior. I think they’re both equal.
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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.


My son does very well. We don't supplement.
If you don't understand why lower income kids do poorly at school you should do some research. The fact that more than 1 billionaire has made educating poor kids a pet project -- and failed at it --- should tell you something.


Yes of course, but why am I supposed to impressed that UMC kids do well in math? They would do well in almost any system. That tells me little to nothing about the quality of instruction.


Yay! You finally admit it. Can we end the thread now?


That wasn't the subject of the OP though, was it?

Why are you so triggered by this that you want to censor the topic?


I’m not censoring anyone.
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Anonymous wrote:Let’s please let the OP or whomever have this and shut this thread down. For some reason they will not believe that in this area there are plenty of folks that can afford private school and yet still send their kids to public school. Nor plenty of kids leave MCPS prepared for college and then go onto lead normal happy healthy lives.

+1 How is that Whitman and Churchill are full if every wealthy person chooses to put their kids in private? Sure, not everyone in those neighborhoods are uber wealthy, but if you look at the median income in those zip codes, there are enough families that *could* afford to send their kids to private.

I know some pretty wealthy families who send their kids to MCPS.


Enough to what, exactly?

You need something like $180k pretax income to pay $100k post tax on private school, for a UMC family. For a pretty dang wealthy family making $500k/yr, that would be over 1/3 of their income!

So obviously while maybe a lot of these families could barely squeak it out with very major sacrifices, no, even the UMC families cannot really afford it. The fiction that there are so so many MCPS families who just love public so much, and it isn't because really they can't afford it, is just that, a fiction.



DP. I don't know, I think a lot of people are public school families because they were public school kids themselves and it is what is familiar to them, the path of least resistance, most culturally familiar, etc. I don't think it's that deep. Maybe UMC families are not all enamored with MCPS but I don't think they're all heartbroken that they can't afford private either.

Tangent: I am not sure how you definite upper middle class but to be paying a 44% marginal tax rate on that $180K you'd be in a pretty high income bracket. Your example of paying 1/3 of a $500K HHI on private school is a huge chunk, but that family is still making a TON of money. It's all about how you want to spend it.

(I neither make that kind of money nor send my kids to private.)
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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.


My son does very well. We don't supplement.
If you don't understand why lower income kids do poorly at school you should do some research. The fact that more than 1 billionaire has made educating poor kids a pet project -- and failed at it --- should tell you something.


Yes of course, but why am I supposed to impressed that UMC kids do well in math? They would do well in almost any system. That tells me little to nothing about the quality of instruction.


Since you're dense, let me spell it out for you:
The. Same. Goes. For. Private. School.
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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.


My son does very well. We don't supplement.
If you don't understand why lower income kids do poorly at school you should do some research. The fact that more than 1 billionaire has made educating poor kids a pet project -- and failed at it --- should tell you something.


Yes of course, but why am I supposed to impressed that UMC kids do well in math? They would do well in almost any system. That tells me little to nothing about the quality of instruction.


Since you're dense, let me spell it out for you:
The. Same. Goes. For. Private. School.


Let me spell it out for you:

That means MCPS is no better than private school, contrary to what so many of you have been saying on this thread.
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Anonymous wrote:Let’s please let the OP or whomever have this and shut this thread down. For some reason they will not believe that in this area there are plenty of folks that can afford private school and yet still send their kids to public school. Nor plenty of kids leave MCPS prepared for college and then go onto lead normal happy healthy lives.

+1 How is that Whitman and Churchill are full if every wealthy person chooses to put their kids in private? Sure, not everyone in those neighborhoods are uber wealthy, but if you look at the median income in those zip codes, there are enough families that *could* afford to send their kids to private.

I know some pretty wealthy families who send their kids to MCPS.


The average net worth in the Bethesda/ DC private schools is far higher than the average at Whitman. Very few parents with a 15 million+ net worth at Whitman. My estimate would be 20% + of the parents at Holton, Georgetown Prep, St. Albans and Sidwell are worth that much or more. It's a much more elite group.
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Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.

LOL how is that any different than private schools?

it's easy to teach kids who come from MC/UMC families with no SN, who speak English at home.

I'd like to see private schools teach kids thousands of kids who are from low income families, or have SN, or don't speak any English at home. If they can do that, then that's impressive. If not, then no, private school teaching is not that impressive,either.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Also, if MCPS taught math SO WELL, they’d be able to teach kids regardless of income.


Are you this clueless in real life?


So just to be clear, when you say MCPS teaches math well, you really mean they teach it well to kids already set up for success, with parents who can supplement.

Color me SO impressed.

LOL how is that any different than private schools?

it's easy to teach kids who come from MC/UMC families with no SN, who speak English at home.

I'd like to see private schools teach kids thousands of kids who are from low income families, or have SN, or don't speak any English at home. If they can do that, then that's impressive. If not, then no, private school teaching is not that impressive,either.


Well, I’m not the one saying one is miles better at math instruction than the other. That would be all of you.
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Anonymous wrote:It's about money but also exposing kids to the real world in a controlled situation.

I am worth millions, personally, but it's in assets, not income. My income is actually quite low. I never wanted to spend my capital on private school, but I was prepared to spend a small portion of it on a house in a wealthy school cluster, since after my kids are done with school, I still have real estate. I have one kid with special needs and one without. For my kid with SN, I feel that our W public with services and accommodations + close parenting + tutoring and therapies has been the optimal solution. The one without is gifted and would have thrived in any school.

I'm also a product of reputable private schools, and getting out of that bubble into the real world was quite an experience. I'd rather my kids go to a wealthy public where they have gentle exposure to actual Life.



Let me guess your age. Early 70s? There is no way - from description you provided of your background you would be satisfied with MCPS if your spec kid had gone there in the past 15 years. No way - and Ws are particularly poor in treating Spec Ed.

To Op - private school if you want offspring to be in C-Suite. Connections cannot be beat. Personally know several Georgetown Prep grads who would have been ranked very low in public school but used their high school connections VERY well. Sidwell friends connections likewise.


Not a parent, but an alumnus of a non-W school in Bethesda. The latter part is completely untrue. I’m on a C-Suite trajectory now and many of my colleagues come from public HS/universities. If anything, most of the Sidwell/Prep kids aren’t living consequential lives (for example, they still think it’s high school, drug & relationship issues, etc.)

In summary, I will always look to send my kids to public school. If I’m making what I’m going to be making in about a decade or so, and my tax money is going towards the schools, why should I use extra money for private when I can save it for college? Kids in UMC families will be fine regardless of where they go to because they have resources to supplement their learning at home, plus the cultural experiences of working with different people, which shows them it’s a wider world out there. Not everything is about status. Public all the way.


If this were true .... sadly, kids can go off the rails at public or private school no matter the family income. Also, you make a huge assumption when you suggest that only in public school will you experience the wider world. This of course is poppycock. It is a fool's errand to try to generalize any school experience.
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Anonymous wrote:90% of kids in MoCo go to public school. If 90% of the kids winning math competitions are from public schools, all that means is public schools are performing as expected based on the population.

This is easy math, people.


Even easier when most private schools don't enter competitions. What are these math competitions anyway?
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Anonymous wrote:Depends. If foreign language or religion was very important, then private. Also private if my kid was average academically.


My kids, one gifted, one pretty average are in private with lots of financial aid. My gifted kid could go anywhere. The small class sizes, accessible teachers, and focus on writing have been fantastic for my average kid.
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Anonymous wrote:We could have afforded it easily (Biglaw) but I place Trump supporters and (non religious) private school parents living in average or better public school districts in the same category: people whose values I don’t share and who I will have nothing to do with.


The feeling is mutual!! How about that. I have absolutely no respect for families who have wealth and instead of spending it on a good education, they choose multiple homes, trips, etc. We have a net worth of $12M plus $1M annual income, and we have only one home and basic cars. We spent $120K on education last year between my college and HS students. Money well spent and they are great kids with wonderful friends. Wouldn't have it any other way and glad they are away from families like yours!!


+1. I don’t get what the point of this money is, if not for their kids. Famous poster Retired Biglaw Partner loves to brag about how little money he spent on his kids’ education which is just bizarre to me. What on earth was it all for, if not for your kids?


Lol I didn’t know I was famous!

My kids went to top ranked public schools, UVA, and top ranked LACs on merit aid. They all have masters degrees, good and productive jobs, and nice spouses. I covered the house in the nice suburb where there schools were located, paid for college, paid for beautiful weddings, provided down payments for houses, have a vacation home that they enjoy immensely, and between my spouse and me in my early retirement have provided them with so much free and loving childcare that they literally have never had to spend a dime on it themselves.

Yes, you’re right - I didn’t spend hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years to keep them away from the great unwashed with a single-eyed drive to get them into an expensive named-brand college that impressed my friends and looked good on a bumper sticker. I knew enough all along to know that, in the end, it would amount to nothing.

If that’s your definition of not “doing it all for the kids,” then I’m guilty as charged. But I’m pretty confident I’d be acquitted if any of them were on your jury.


Your kids have masters? So you realize they attended MCPS in another era. It is not the same at all, and today they would likely not have been as successful. It is very different now...especially after covid. You lucked out and got a bargain. Sadly, many who bought here thinking they were getting one will find out the hard way. You will have to shell out the money if you want them to get a real education. Sorry.


Every generation thinks it had it worse than the one before it. There’s no evidence that this generation of kids from the better public schools in the DMV - including MCPS - are doing any worse than prior ones. Obviously Covid had a unique and singular impact, I get that, but Covid was felt everywhere.


MCPS was a disaster with COVID. It was NOT like that everywhere...especially the private schools, many of which never closed. Do you even read the reports out there about how few students are at grade level with math and reading? It's only a matter of time until you start to see how it impacts college admissions. The good universities aren't going to want kids who can't read, write or understand math concepts. Many kids will never make it to calc or even pre-calc based on how behind they are on math...it's only a matter of a few years and you will see this.


Earth to this poster: Covid is over.


I am the PP. I never claimed Covid is currently an issue from a disease standpoint. But it is an issue in terms of the aftermath...i.e. the learning loss and mental health issues that have emerged since then. Do you even read the news reports? Or are you one of those with your head in the sand?


Right. So together we deal with it. We make adjustments. We focus on solving the problems that resulted. We re-devote ourselves to student achievement. We expect that colleges will recognize how difficult the last few years have been for many students and don’t hold it against them.

We don’t just write off public education. Public schools aren’t closing down like they did then anytime soon.


Never said you should write it off. We are talking about people with means. People with means will generally purchase the better product. In this case, that is private schools.


That may have made sense when public schools were closed. But now they’re open.


LOL, but they lost an entire year of learning, so basically at least a year (and more in some cases) behind private school students in terms of academic proficiency. For the life of me, I don't understand how someone with means would want that for their kid.


You’re exaggerating.


Oh really?

So you think that having only about half of 6th graders meeting the mathematics benchmarks (as defined by MCPS) is acceptable? How about the fact that only about half of 3rd graders meet benchmarks for reading? I mean, I am pretty confident that in my child's private school, approximately 100% meet/exceed the same benchmarks. But you seem like you are ok with this data. Then by all means send your child there. https://www.mymcmedia.org/mcps-releases-mid-year-grade-data-on-math-and-reading-proficiency/


You’re comparing apples and oranges. Private schools select who they want to attend. They require testing and interviewing for admission. You cannot compare them one on one with each other.

As I said before, Covid was an issue, yes. It set many schools and students back, yes. But it will ultimately prove to be a blip on the radar screen. It is time for all of us to move on.


This x1000

It astonishes me that people don’t understand this.

I am the poster with the gen pop non W rising 12th grader. S/he has wealthy, successful and involved parents. S/he would do well anywhere we put her/him.


Yes actually this is a good thing! I want my kid surrounded by people who want to excel. Why would I let them be exposed to kids who only seek to game the system and do the least work possible to pass? Kids are impressionable. And MCPS has managed to create ab environment of mediocrity that will only turn out mediocre high school graduates.


My kid is self motivated. Doesn’t matter what other kids around them are doing.


It’s all relative dear. You are under an illusion because your kid competes with low performing students. So anything can easily look “motivated.” I would much prefer an environment where you are surrounded by excellence.


So if my kid was in private school, s/he would have gotten better than an A in AP lang and better than a 5 on the AP test? Is that what you’re saying, DEAR?


It’s not all about AP tests. The top private schools go beyond the AP curriculum.


Do you get tired of constantly moving the goalposts? Must be a full time job to justify the tuition money you’re blowing for all that “beyond AP curriculum.”


Actually my kid is in lower ES and is thriving in small classes and a curriculum that goes well beyond the state testing subjects (reading and math). We love that she has integrated art, music, ample recess and PE time every single day, and perhaps most importantly, two highly qualified teachers who team teach 16 kids. We love that her class put on 3 plays this past year and that the plays integrated concepts across subject areas.

We love that we get detailed feedback on where she is not only academically, but also socio-emotionally. By October of last year, her teachers knew the nuances that would change in her personality when she was getting frustrated and told us exactly how they tailored how they taught her to help convince her to not give up.

What you don’t understand is that a high quality private school, especially for ES, is so much about letting teachers teach by giving them ample resources and small class sizes.


If your kid needs that, then clearly private is for you! Mine doesn’t, they’re flourishing in MCPS.

Let’s just be honest that it’s not about the academics.


You don’t think every kid could benefit from a full curriculum and individualized attention?


For my kid? Not worth 50K/yr when they’re doing so well in public.


You think they are...but you will be surprised.
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Anonymous wrote:We could have afforded it easily (Biglaw) but I place Trump supporters and (non religious) private school parents living in average or better public school districts in the same category: people whose values I don’t share and who I will have nothing to do with.


The feeling is mutual!! How about that. I have absolutely no respect for families who have wealth and instead of spending it on a good education, they choose multiple homes, trips, etc. We have a net worth of $12M plus $1M annual income, and we have only one home and basic cars. We spent $120K on education last year between my college and HS students. Money well spent and they are great kids with wonderful friends. Wouldn't have it any other way and glad they are away from families like yours!!


+1. I don’t get what the point of this money is, if not for their kids. Famous poster Retired Biglaw Partner loves to brag about how little money he spent on his kids’ education which is just bizarre to me. What on earth was it all for, if not for your kids?


Lol I didn’t know I was famous!

My kids went to top ranked public schools, UVA, and top ranked LACs on merit aid. They all have masters degrees, good and productive jobs, and nice spouses. I covered the house in the nice suburb where there schools were located, paid for college, paid for beautiful weddings, provided down payments for houses, have a vacation home that they enjoy immensely, and between my spouse and me in my early retirement have provided them with so much free and loving childcare that they literally have never had to spend a dime on it themselves.

Yes, you’re right - I didn’t spend hundreds of thousands of dollars over the years to keep them away from the great unwashed with a single-eyed drive to get them into an expensive named-brand college that impressed my friends and looked good on a bumper sticker. I knew enough all along to know that, in the end, it would amount to nothing.

If that’s your definition of not “doing it all for the kids,” then I’m guilty as charged. But I’m pretty confident I’d be acquitted if any of them were on your jury.


Your kids have masters? So you realize they attended MCPS in another era. It is not the same at all, and today they would likely not have been as successful. It is very different now...especially after covid. You lucked out and got a bargain. Sadly, many who bought here thinking they were getting one will find out the hard way. You will have to shell out the money if you want them to get a real education. Sorry.


Every generation thinks it had it worse than the one before it. There’s no evidence that this generation of kids from the better public schools in the DMV - including MCPS - are doing any worse than prior ones. Obviously Covid had a unique and singular impact, I get that, but Covid was felt everywhere.


MCPS was a disaster with COVID. It was NOT like that everywhere...especially the private schools, many of which never closed. Do you even read the reports out there about how few students are at grade level with math and reading? It's only a matter of time until you start to see how it impacts college admissions. The good universities aren't going to want kids who can't read, write or understand math concepts. Many kids will never make it to calc or even pre-calc based on how behind they are on math...it's only a matter of a few years and you will see this.


Earth to this poster: Covid is over.


I am the PP. I never claimed Covid is currently an issue from a disease standpoint. But it is an issue in terms of the aftermath...i.e. the learning loss and mental health issues that have emerged since then. Do you even read the news reports? Or are you one of those with your head in the sand?


Right. So together we deal with it. We make adjustments. We focus on solving the problems that resulted. We re-devote ourselves to student achievement. We expect that colleges will recognize how difficult the last few years have been for many students and don’t hold it against them.

We don’t just write off public education. Public schools aren’t closing down like they did then anytime soon.


Never said you should write it off. We are talking about people with means. People with means will generally purchase the better product. In this case, that is private schools.


That may have made sense when public schools were closed. But now they’re open.


LOL, but they lost an entire year of learning, so basically at least a year (and more in some cases) behind private school students in terms of academic proficiency. For the life of me, I don't understand how someone with means would want that for their kid.


You’re exaggerating.


Oh really?

So you think that having only about half of 6th graders meeting the mathematics benchmarks (as defined by MCPS) is acceptable? How about the fact that only about half of 3rd graders meet benchmarks for reading? I mean, I am pretty confident that in my child's private school, approximately 100% meet/exceed the same benchmarks. But you seem like you are ok with this data. Then by all means send your child there. https://www.mymcmedia.org/mcps-releases-mid-year-grade-data-on-math-and-reading-proficiency/


You’re comparing apples and oranges. Private schools select who they want to attend. They require testing and interviewing for admission. You cannot compare them one on one with each other.

As I said before, Covid was an issue, yes. It set many schools and students back, yes. But it will ultimately prove to be a blip on the radar screen. It is time for all of us to move on.


This x1000

It astonishes me that people don’t understand this.

I am the poster with the gen pop non W rising 12th grader. S/he has wealthy, successful and involved parents. S/he would do well anywhere we put her/him.


Yes actually this is a good thing! I want my kid surrounded by people who want to excel. Why would I let them be exposed to kids who only seek to game the system and do the least work possible to pass? Kids are impressionable. And MCPS has managed to create ab environment of mediocrity that will only turn out mediocre high school graduates.


My kid is self motivated. Doesn’t matter what other kids around them are doing.


It’s all relative dear. You are under an illusion because your kid competes with low performing students. So anything can easily look “motivated.” I would much prefer an environment where you are surrounded by excellence.


So if my kid was in private school, s/he would have gotten better than an A in AP lang and better than a 5 on the AP test? Is that what you’re saying, DEAR?


It’s not all about AP tests. The top private schools go beyond the AP curriculum.


Do you get tired of constantly moving the goalposts? Must be a full time job to justify the tuition money you’re blowing for all that “beyond AP curriculum.”


Actually my kid is in lower ES and is thriving in small classes and a curriculum that goes well beyond the state testing subjects (reading and math). We love that she has integrated art, music, ample recess and PE time every single day, and perhaps most importantly, two highly qualified teachers who team teach 16 kids. We love that her class put on 3 plays this past year and that the plays integrated concepts across subject areas.

We love that we get detailed feedback on where she is not only academically, but also socio-emotionally. By October of last year, her teachers knew the nuances that would change in her personality when she was getting frustrated and told us exactly how they tailored how they taught her to help convince her to not give up.

What you don’t understand is that a high quality private school, especially for ES, is so much about letting teachers teach by giving them ample resources and small class sizes.


If your kid needs that, then clearly private is for you! Mine doesn’t, they’re flourishing in MCPS.

Let’s just be honest that it’s not about the academics.


You don’t think every kid could benefit from a full curriculum and individualized attention?


For my kid? Not worth 50K/yr when they’re doing so well in public.


You think they are...but you will be surprised.


You are pathetic. I can’t have a reasonable conversation with someone like you. You just can’t accept the fact that people can make reasonable choices that do not mirror your own.
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