Tell me more about the School Board election process

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

She is an imdependent and moderate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Davis is an independent and McDaniel is a former Republican. Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with the shifting affiliations.

McDaniel sounds good to me as a moderate. No way to Davis since she supports book bans in school libraries rather than the current process of allowing professional librarians to select books, people to challenge books, and most importantly parents to monitor what their own kids read if they have such strong beliefs.

I have positive associations with Moon and like that he could help bring some order to the board chaos with his experience, but will have to think more on that.

Still thinking about a third.

Mostly, I hope people look into candidates themselves instead of just following the endorsement of FCDC that brought us horrible members like Keys Gamarra and Omeish.

Please.

By book bans you mean porn.

Those who don't have any leg to stand on shout "book burning" to try to distract from the fact that they are advocating for books depicting graphic photos of stuff like orgies, genitals, graphic sex in school libraries.

Davis' view on this aligns with most parents and civil society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question:

If the parent had gone directly to the school librarian, would she have been listened to?

If she had written a SB member, when there have been any action?

"Gender Queer" had no place in a school library. Had it not been there, there would not be so many books being challenged.

Librarians appear to have little common sense.

There is a difference between "banning books" and limiting what is in school libraries.

There is a book challenge regulation that spells out the challenge process. There is a regulation on how librarians build collections. It’s not about seeing something on Fox News and then screaming at the school board a la Langton. Follow the process if you think there is a problem. And parent your own kid, not mine.

Honestly, I have to laugh at this for several reasons:

1. The current challenge process consists of people handpicked by FCPS validating the decisions made by people employed by FCPS. If you think that's a good process, you should at least want to have people from the community representing a wider variety of views participating in that process. With another 12-0 Democratic School Board, that's not going to happen

2. The "parent you own kid, not mine" line comes from people who are happy to police the speech of, and throw the book at, other parents' kids, not theirs, so long as they can justify it as designed to promote "equity" or a "caring culture." It's just any type of restraint or discretion when it comes to sexually explicit materials that turns them into Libertarians.

You are so deep in right wing talking points that there is no point engaging with you.

Besides I shouldn’t have derailed this thread mentioning book bans. There are already threads about that discussion so feel free to continue the debate there. I was just trying to explaine why I won’t vote for Davis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question:

If the parent had gone directly to the school librarian, would she have been listened to?

If she had written a SB member, when there have been any action?

"Gender Queer" had no place in a school library. Had it not been there, there would not be so many books being challenged.

Librarians appear to have little common sense.

There is a difference between "banning books" and limiting what is in school libraries.

There is a book challenge regulation that spells out the challenge process. There is a regulation on how librarians build collections. It’s not about seeing something on Fox News and then screaming at the school board a la Langton. Follow the process if you think there is a problem. And parent your own kid, not mine.

Honestly, I have to laugh at this for several reasons:

1. The current challenge process consists of people handpicked by FCPS validating the decisions made by people employed by FCPS. If you think that's a good process, you should at least want to have people from the community representing a wider variety of views participating in that process. With another 12-0 Democratic School Board, that's not going to happen

2. The "parent you own kid, not mine" line comes from people who are happy to police the speech of, and throw the book at, other parents' kids, not theirs, so long as they can justify it as designed to promote "equity" or a "caring culture." It's just any type of restraint or discretion when it comes to sexually explicit materials that turns them into Libertarians.

You are so deep in right wing talking points that there is no point engaging with you.

Besides I shouldn’t have derailed this thread mentioning book bans. There are already threads about that discussion so feel free to continue the debate there. I was just trying to explaine why I won’t vote for Davis.

These are my personal observations as a long-time observer of FCPS and a long-time Democrat who is now independent because the local Democrats drifted so far left that I no longer had a party.

You wouldn't vote for Davis unless she came hand-stamped from the FCDC, which rules out just about any moderate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Davis is an independent and McDaniel is a former Republican. Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with the shifting affiliations.

McDaniel sounds good to me as a moderate. No way to Davis since she supports book bans in school libraries rather than the current process of allowing professional librarians to select books, people to challenge books, and most importantly parents to monitor what their own kids read if they have such strong beliefs.

I have positive associations with Moon and like that he could help bring some order to the board chaos with his experience, but will have to think more on that.

Still thinking about a third.

Mostly, I hope people look into candidates themselves instead of just following the endorsement of FCDC that brought us horrible members like Keys Gamarra and Omeish.

School libraries should reflect community standards. Right now we have school employees deciding sexually graphic materials are appropriate for middle school kids and their decisions are reviewed by a panel handpicked to validate those decisions. Let’s not pretend it’s a rigorous, independent process.

The last thing we need is another 12-0 Democratic board. You admit Keys Gamarra and Omeish were horrible, but part of the reason they seemed so bad was that no one else on the School Board was reining them in or seriously challenging them. That’s why we need members like Davis - not so that they can necessarily dictate the agenda, but so they can disrupt the echo chamber.

I haven’t ruled out McDaniel but the main thing he seems to believe in is getting himself elected. I’m not quite sure how you go from being a top aide to Pat Herrity to a “progressive” getting endorsed by the likes of Laura Jane Cohen unless you’re just an opportunist.

LinkedIn tells me that McDaniel hasnt worked for Herrity since 2015. I remember when he very publically left the Republican Party in 2017/18ish (it was covered in the Post) and then ran for the SB as an independent in 2019. Timeline checks out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Davis is an independent and McDaniel is a former Republican. Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with the shifting affiliations.

McDaniel sounds good to me as a moderate. No way to Davis since she supports book bans in school libraries rather than the current process of allowing professional librarians to select books, people to challenge books, and most importantly parents to monitor what their own kids read if they have such strong beliefs.

I have positive associations with Moon and like that he could help bring some order to the board chaos with his experience, but will have to think more on that.

Still thinking about a third.

Mostly, I hope people look into candidates themselves instead of just following the endorsement of FCDC that brought us horrible members like Keys Gamarra and Omeish.

School libraries should reflect community standards. Right now we have school employees deciding sexually graphic materials are appropriate for middle school kids and their decisions are reviewed by a panel handpicked to validate those decisions. Let’s not pretend it’s a rigorous, independent process.

The last thing we need is another 12-0 Democratic board. You admit Keys Gamarra and Omeish were horrible, but part of the reason they seemed so bad was that no one else on the School Board was reining them in or seriously challenging them. That’s why we need members like Davis - not so that they can necessarily dictate the agenda, but so they can disrupt the echo chamber.

I haven’t ruled out McDaniel but the main thing he seems to believe in is getting himself elected. I’m not quite sure how you go from being a top aide to Pat Herrity to a “progressive” getting endorsed by the likes of Laura Jane Cohen unless you’re just an opportunist.

LinkedIn tells me that McDaniel hasnt worked for Herrity since 2015. I remember when he very publically left the Republican Party in 2017/18ish (it was covered in the Post) and then ran for the SB as an independent in 2019. Timeline checks out.

I think you mean "publicly," not "publically."

I checked out McDaniel's new web site. It's interesting to see that Moon, McElveen, and McDaniel are all tacking somewhat back to the center after the sheer craziness, ineptitude, and hypocrisy of the likes of Omeish, Keys Gamarra, and Tholen. That's a good sign.

However, I would still like a board with at least one independent or Republican, so Davis will get one of my at-large votes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Davis is an independent and McDaniel is a former Republican. Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with the shifting affiliations.

McDaniel sounds good to me as a moderate. No way to Davis since she supports book bans in school libraries rather than the current process of allowing professional librarians to select books, people to challenge books, and most importantly parents to monitor what their own kids read if they have such strong beliefs.

I have positive associations with Moon and like that he could help bring some order to the board chaos with his experience, but will have to think more on that.

Still thinking about a third.

Mostly, I hope people look into candidates themselves instead of just following the endorsement of FCDC that brought us horrible members like Keys Gamarra and Omeish.

Please.

By book bans you mean porn.

Those who don't have any leg to stand on shout "book burning" to try to distract from the fact that they are advocating for books depicting graphic photos of stuff like orgies, genitals, graphic sex in school libraries.

Davis' view on this aligns with most parents and civil society.

It is -objectively- not porn. And you and your kids are free to to check any of those books out. You do not have the right to prevent me and my children from doing so. Mind your own house and business.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question:

If the parent had gone directly to the school librarian, would she have been listened to?

If she had written a SB member, when there have been any action?

"Gender Queer" had no place in a school library. Had it not been there, there would not be so many books being challenged.

Librarians appear to have little common sense.

There is a difference between "banning books" and limiting what is in school libraries.

There is a book challenge regulation that spells out the challenge process. There is a regulation on how librarians build collections. It’s not about seeing something on Fox News and then screaming at the school board a la Langton. Follow the process if you think there is a problem. And parent your own kid, not mine.

Honestly, I have to laugh at this for several reasons:

1. The current challenge process consists of people handpicked by FCPS validating the decisions made by people employed by FCPS. If you think that's a good process, you should at least want to have people from the community representing a wider variety of views participating in that process. With another 12-0 Democratic School Board, that's not going to happen

2. The "parent you own kid, not mine" line comes from people who are happy to police the speech of, and throw the book at, other parents' kids, not theirs, so long as they can justify it as designed to promote "equity" or a "caring culture." It's just any type of restraint or discretion when it comes to sexually explicit materials that turns them into Libertarians.

You are so deep in right wing talking points that there is no point engaging with you.

Besides I shouldn’t have derailed this thread mentioning book bans. There are already threads about that discussion so feel free to continue the debate there. I was just trying to explaine why I won’t vote for Davis.

These are my personal observations as a long-time observer of FCPS and a long-time Democrat who is now independent because the local Democrats drifted so far left that I no longer had a party.

You wouldn't vote for Davis unless she came hand-stamped from the FCDC, which rules out just about any moderate.

Too far to the left . . . too much exposure to grandpa at the Friday fish fry, huh? THE talking point of the right. Good job, sheep.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Never ever. Agreed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why doesn’t McElveen run for the seat Tholen is vacating if he lives in the Dranesville district? Who is running for that seat?

Good point since he is running at-large. His re-election website is slick and his platform looks fine but it doesn’t go over any specifics. Still he should easily cruise to reelection victory. The Washington Post and other local media wrote positively about his tenure on the board. He may annoy some people, but I don’t think that’s enough to hurt his chances. And now that his a family man, he can better relate to parents with young kids, the future of FCPS.

Some of his platform is on FB and he's getting a very positive response in the comments, which are usually a cesspool of negativity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Never ever. Agreed.

So, you are voting for your daughter to have to attend sex education with boys.
You are voting to have your daughter compete with boys for a space on the team.
You are voting to have troubling graphic novels in the school libraries.
You are voting to give the leadership of the teachers' unions great power to influence what is taught in the schools.
You are voting to eliminate strong academic requirements in schools.
theres' more, but that's enough for now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Never ever. Agreed.

So, you are voting for your daughter to have to attend sex education with boys.
You are voting to have your daughter compete with boys for a space on the team.
You are voting to have troubling graphic novels in the school libraries.
You are voting to give the leadership of the teachers' unions great power to influence what is taught in the schools.
You are voting to eliminate strong academic requirements in schools.
theres' more, but that's enough for now.

Biden is hopefully handling the 2nd item at the federal level.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Davis is an independent and McDaniel is a former Republican. Sometimes it’s hard to keep up with the shifting affiliations.

McDaniel sounds good to me as a moderate. No way to Davis since she supports book bans in school libraries rather than the current process of allowing professional librarians to select books, people to challenge books, and most importantly parents to monitor what their own kids read if they have such strong beliefs.

I have positive associations with Moon and like that he could help bring some order to the board chaos with his experience, but will have to think more on that.

Still thinking about a third.

Mostly, I hope people look into candidates themselves instead of just following the endorsement of FCDC that brought us horrible members like Keys Gamarra and Omeish.

Please.

By book bans you mean porn.

Those who don't have any leg to stand on shout "book burning" to try to distract from the fact that they are advocating for books depicting graphic photos of stuff like orgies, genitals, graphic sex in school libraries.

Davis' view on this aligns with most parents and civil society.

It is -objectively- not porn. And you and your kids are free to to check any of those books out. You do not have the right to prevent me and my children from doing so. Mind your own house and business.

You want to regulate the hell out of everyone except when it comes to smutty materials in school libraries. They it's all about "my rights."

That tells us all we need to know about your agenda and priorities. Hopefully new School Board members will have a keener appreciation of community standards than the current, horrid bunch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a question:

If the parent had gone directly to the school librarian, would she have been listened to?

If she had written a SB member, when there have been any action?

"Gender Queer" had no place in a school library. Had it not been there, there would not be so many books being challenged.

Librarians appear to have little common sense.

There is a difference between "banning books" and limiting what is in school libraries.

There is a book challenge regulation that spells out the challenge process. There is a regulation on how librarians build collections. It’s not about seeing something on Fox News and then screaming at the school board a la Langton. Follow the process if you think there is a problem. And parent your own kid, not mine.

Honestly, I have to laugh at this for several reasons:

1. The current challenge process consists of people handpicked by FCPS validating the decisions made by people employed by FCPS. If you think that's a good process, you should at least want to have people from the community representing a wider variety of views participating in that process. With another 12-0 Democratic School Board, that's not going to happen

2. The "parent you own kid, not mine" line comes from people who are happy to police the speech of, and throw the book at, other parents' kids, not theirs, so long as they can justify it as designed to promote "equity" or a "caring culture." It's just any type of restraint or discretion when it comes to sexually explicit materials that turns them into Libertarians.

You are so deep in right wing talking points that there is no point engaging with you.

Besides I shouldn’t have derailed this thread mentioning book bans. There are already threads about that discussion so feel free to continue the debate there. I was just trying to explaine why I won’t vote for Davis.

These are my personal observations as a long-time observer of FCPS and a long-time Democrat who is now independent because the local Democrats drifted so far left that I no longer had a party.

You wouldn't vote for Davis unless she came hand-stamped from the FCDC, which rules out just about any moderate.

Too far to the left . . . too much exposure to grandpa at the Friday fish fry, huh? THE talking point of the right. Good job, sheep.

You're just flummoxed by the fact that Davis isn't a Republican, yet isn't part of the Vanessa Hall/Robert Rigby crowd that wants to dictate every FCPS decision.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At this point our likely at large members are moon, mcelveen, and mcdaniel or davis.

Agree and I would vote for Davis for some diversity of viewpoint. It’s also a little creepy how Kyle McDaniel, a former aide to Pat Herrity, has repackaged himself as a left-of-center Democrat like he’s the second coming of Laura Jane Cohen.

No way I'm voting for any Republican.

Never ever. Agreed.

So, you are voting for your daughter to have to attend sex education with boys.
You are voting to have your daughter compete with boys for a space on the team.
You are voting to have troubling graphic novels in the school libraries.
You are voting to give the leadership of the teachers' unions great power to influence what is taught in the schools.
You are voting to eliminate strong academic requirements in schools.
theres' more, but that's enough for now.

Biden is hopefully handling the 2nd item at the federal level.

It is not a federal issue.

He cannot do this and neither can his agencies.