NOT redshirting an August birthday

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I think someone mentioned correlation between age and diagnoses, but but sure if there was a cite.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2751331

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

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The biggest problem with trying to identify whether it’s positive or negative to red shirt is in part because there are so many research studies out there on the subject that are conflicting.

Some studies state that any gained advantages of holding a child back diminish before they reach middle school; others state it’s beneficial for kids to have delayed entry into school so they have a chance to have more play-based learning.

Some claim that red shirted kids have an 1% point advantage over kids who went on time when it comes to going to college while another study shows redshirted, kids are more apt to drop out of high school before graduation.

Some studies declare that holding back a student who is academically ready for more ensures he knows the foundational content better, others say kids who are held back who are academically ready get bored and complacent with remedial learning and do not gain any academic edge.

And some say that red shirted kids are more mature and thus better behaved in Kindergarten, while others say being a year older than peers leads to more behavioral problems and acting out in the classroom. Some say kids who go on time may feel “left out” when older classmates are driving earlier; others state that managing an 19 year old adult still in high school introduces a whole host of challenges.

The physical stuff is really not a plausible factor according to studies. Is a child two inches shorter than his peers going to be teased any more or less than a child who is 12-18 months older than his peers and stands a head taller? Probably not.

Really, all it of course comes down to what is best for the child. Some kids should be held back and will benefit from that and others should go to school on time. And that can be hard to parse for some who think older/bigger/better at sports = absolute success, when mostly likely it falls on a sliding scale where some may do better and others may stagnate or struggle. Talk to teachers, know your kid, and make sure they stay challenged and engaged and supported whatever choice you make.

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Anonymous wrote:The biggest problem with trying to identify whether it’s positive or negative to red shirt is in part because there are so many research studies out there on the subject that are conflicting.

Some studies state that any gained advantages of holding a child back diminish before they reach middle school; others state it’s beneficial for kids to have delayed entry into school so they have a chance to have more play-based learning.

Some claim that red shirted kids have an 1% point advantage over kids who went on time when it comes to going to college while another study shows redshirted, kids are more apt to drop out of high school before graduation.

Some studies declare that holding back a student who is academically ready for more ensures he knows the foundational content better, others say kids who are held back who are academically ready get bored and complacent with remedial learning and do not gain any academic edge.

And some say that red shirted kids are more mature and thus better behaved in Kindergarten, while others say being a year older than peers leads to more behavioral problems and acting out in the classroom. Some say kids who go on time may feel “left out” when older classmates are driving earlier; others state that managing an 19 year old adult still in high school introduces a whole host of challenges.

The physical stuff is really not a plausible factor according to studies. Is a child two inches shorter than his peers going to be teased any more or less than a child who is 12-18 months older than his peers and stands a head taller? Probably not.

Really, all it of course comes down to what is best for the child. Some kids should be held back and will benefit from that and others should go to school on time. And that can be hard to parse for some who think older/bigger/better at sports = absolute success, when mostly likely it falls on a sliding scale where some may do better and others may stagnate or struggle. Talk to teachers, know your kid, and make sure they stay challenged and engaged and supported whatever choice you make.

This is thoughtful as an opinion but really overstates what the actual studies say. PP has actually described what pop-culture articles say about the studies about redshirting, not what the actual studies out there say. The pop-culture articles make it seem like there is a good amount of well-done studies about redshirting. There are not. The pop-culture reporting on the studies is actually abysmal. The “studies” they reference are often appallingly done, with serious flaws, and some are literally over 60-70 years old. The reporting on this topic has actually been kind of horrifying in how all “studies” are taken at face value without looking at the quality of the studies at all.

The studies linking relative age to ADHD medication/diagnosis are solid, though, and have been replicated globally, including in countries where there is no redshirting. The only country that didn’t show relative age impact is also the one that allows greater flexibility of entrance age, interestingly.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

Bad advice? Read the Op again. You’re not even answering the question.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

Bad advice? Read the Op again. You’re not even answering the question.

I did and in previous posts i told OP things to look for and things to consider. In fact my previous posts were fairly favorable to redshirting for immature kids. I did not tell her "without question I would redshirt." That is TERRIBLE advice.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

Bad advice? Read the Op again. You’re not even answering the question.

I did and in previous posts i told OP things to look for and things to consider. In fact my previous posts were fairly favorable to redshirting for immature kids. I did not tell her "without question I would redshirt." That is TERRIBLE advice.

Np here. That is not TERRIBLE advice if it applies to whomever is responding or agrees. The OP asks, "Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back?"

Soooo clearly, that PP looks at age alone. Just because what you look for doesn't align does not make it bad advice. It is all relative and comes down to what is valued most by each family.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

Bad advice? Read the Op again. You’re not even answering the question.

I did and in previous posts i told OP things to look for and things to consider. In fact my previous posts were fairly favorable to redshirting for immature kids. I did not tell her "without question I would redshirt." That is TERRIBLE advice.

OP isn't even making a decision this year. The kid is staying on track. That's what makes your over the top response bizarre. She's not making any decision right now, so you really just need to calm down because you're not even understanding OP.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

Bad advice? Read the Op again. You’re not even answering the question.

I did and in previous posts i told OP things to look for and things to consider. In fact my previous posts were fairly favorable to redshirting for immature kids. I did not tell her "without question I would redshirt." That is TERRIBLE advice.

OP isn't even making a decision this year. The kid is staying on track. That's what makes your over the top response bizarre. She's not making any decision right now, so you really just need to calm down because you're not even understanding OP.

I have consistently said it is too early to tell. It is PP who is not reading OP and giving premature advice.

for the pp who are concerned about kids being too old - relative to their child - there are some benefits to being younger in terms of imitating more mature children.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

Bad advice? Read the Op again. You’re not even answering the question.

I did and in previous posts i told OP things to look for and things to consider. In fact my previous posts were fairly favorable to redshirting for immature kids. I did not tell her "without question I would redshirt." That is TERRIBLE advice.

OP isn't even making a decision this year. The kid is staying on track. That's what makes your over the top response bizarre. She's not making any decision right now, so you really just need to calm down because you're not even understanding OP.

I have consistently said it is too early to tell. It is PP who is not reading OP and giving premature advice.

for the pp who are concerned about kids being too old - relative to their child - there are some benefits to being younger in terms of imitating more mature children.

https://www.educationnext.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/ednext_xvii_3_schanzenbach.pdf

OP knows it's too early. She's not asking if she should even start preschool next year. OP is obviously talking about the future and what to look for. The decision comes in a few years, she will either repeat PK4 or do 2 years of kindergarten. PPs advice doesn't change the timeline of the decision, this should be obvious. You're clearly against redshirting. But given the choice and having the means, most people will prefer their child being older rather than youngest. Most, not all.

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Anonymous wrote:Our son has a late August birthday, and we are planning to enroll him in PK3 next year. He is very verbal and seems to be enjoying his current full-time daycare. I hadn't even considered holding him back until a few people asked me about it, and I see it mentioned here all the time. Are there specific things people look for when deciding to hold a kid (boys, especially) back? He's only 2.5 so there's only so much I can "judge" him on at this point haha but want to be sure I'm not missing or considering something. Thanks!

I'm a fan of redshirting. With what you describe, were it my son, I'd hold him a year.

What???!! There is nothing that OP Ava’s described other than the birth month that indicates she should redshirt. At 2.5 it’s way too early to make that determination. I’m not anti red shirting but seriously OP has not described one thing that says it is indicated. A highly verbal boy could be ready for K APM time!!

And if it is a great school, there is individualization in the curriculum. Redshirting is not solely about limited ability or developmental concern. Personally, it's just giving more time. With a late August birthdate, my son could have somewhere between 10-12 months less time than the oldest. So yes, without question, I would redshirt because I know at that age, school is not only about academics. And any parent knows, there is so much growth that happens between 36 months and 48 months. Precisely why the ASQs exist and are used by pediatricians. But hey, I personally don't care what another family chooses to do with their child. So yes, send your highly verbal boy whenever you deem fit.

Precisely because 2 years is a lifetime of development for a 2.5 year old is why I would STRONGLY recommend that OP not make this decision today. Her 4.5 year old will be a completely different kid than he is now. ESPECIALLY if there are no current signs of delay or immaturity. For some kids redshirting is beneficial, for other kids it is detrimental. It is too early to tell whether redshirting would help or hurt her kid. I would not commit my 2.5 year old to a course that could be detrimental when the decision could be made later.

Why are you so hysterical? OP says she's enrolling him next year in PK3. It's clear she's thinking down the road, thus for making a decision later. Calm down.

why are you so investing in redshirting that you are providing bad advice??

I'm not hysterical - i'm just saying it is a really bad idea to make the decision now.

Bad advice? Read the Op again. You’re not even answering the question.

I did and in previous posts i told OP things to look for and things to consider. In fact my previous posts were fairly favorable to redshirting for immature kids. I did not tell her "without question I would redshirt." That is TERRIBLE advice.

OP isn't even making a decision this year. The kid is staying on track. That's what makes your over the top response bizarre. She's not making any decision right now, so you really just need to calm down because you're not even understanding OP.

I have consistently said it is too early to tell. It is PP who is not reading OP and giving premature advice.

for the pp who are concerned about kids being too old - relative to their child - there are some benefits to being younger in terms of imitating more mature children.

https://www.educationnext.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/ednext_xvii_3_schanzenbach.pdf

OP knows it's too early. She's not asking if she should even start preschool next year. OP is obviously talking about the future and what to look for. The decision comes in a few years, she will either repeat PK4 or do 2 years of kindergarten. PPs advice doesn't change the timeline of the decision, this should be obvious. You're clearly against redshirting. But given the choice and having the means, most people will prefer their child being older rather than youngest. Most, not all.

I am not against redshirting. I have said it can benefit the immature child particularly behaviorally immature. If a year will help your kid sit still better and follow instructions and not be the behaviorally disruptive youngest go for it. Evidence is mixed on whether it helps or hurts kids with disabilities who may benefit more from appropriate supports aimed at their disability. It can hurt the child who will be bored which can also lead to behavioral issues. Some kids thrive being the youngest. The only thing I’m against is redshirting all august birthdays without regard to the individual child.