Latin Cooper - Capitol Hill families?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I'm not concerned about the warehouse. I'm concerned about the threat of the move across the river for high school, and not because I fear Anacostia. Across the river isn't on the way to anywhere most Ward 5 + 6 families with preteens and teens want to go on weekdays. That commute would be a big pain, not just to get kids to campus, but to attend school events, parent meetings and the like.

I need an OK middle school to stay in the District and my IB school is a mess. Arguably, I should have at least one halfway acceptable 5th-12th grade option for my tax dollars...

This is so deeply ignorant. There are areas with more highly concentrated poverty and greater needs, but there are also BEAUTIFUL and SAFE area of both Wards 7 and 8 east of river (Hillcrest, Historic Anacostia, Fort Dupont, Kenilworth to name a few). My family bikes to some of these from Ward 6 and drives to others without any real safety concerns.

I have no idea there Latin II should or will end up, but it never ceases to amaze me how many people live in a total bubble. There's been plenty of street crime around Cap Hill, Brookland, H St., Kingman Park, Trinidad.

I have a relative that actually lives in Historical Anacostia and you just are clueless. He had his house broken in twice, almost jumped on the street, drugs dealing and gangs all times of the day. I could go on and on. The crime there is real. The stats are real that ward 7 and 8 are the highest crime ward in the city. It’s a different world there.

Just because you bike there, you think you know. There is no way I would send my kid to any school in ward 7 and 8 let alone let him take public transportation there on his own.

This. You do a disservice to the folks who are facing serious crime issues by pretending that everything is unicorns and rainbows in wards 7 and 8.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not concerned about the warehouse. I'm concerned about the threat of the move across the river for high school, and not because I fear Anacostia. Across the river isn't on the way to anywhere most Ward 5 + 6 families with preteens and teens want to go on weekdays. That commute would be a big pain, not just to get kids to campus, but to attend school events, parent meetings and the like.

I need an OK middle school to stay in the District and my IB school is a mess. Arguably, I should have at least one halfway acceptable 5th-12th grade option for my tax dollars...

This is so deeply ignorant. There are areas with more highly concentrated poverty and greater needs, but there are also BEAUTIFUL and SAFE area of both Wards 7 and 8 east of river (Hillcrest, Historic Anacostia, Fort Dupont, Kenilworth to name a few). My family bikes to some of these from Ward 6 and drives to others without any real safety concerns.

I have no idea there Latin II should or will end up, but it never ceases to amaze me how many people live in a total bubble. There's been plenty of street crime around Cap Hill, Brookland, H St., Kingman Park, Trinidad.

The PP mentioned accessibility, not crime or beauty

Crossing river at Benning Road, Penn Ave and 11th Street are all FAR more accessible from the eastern DC quadrants than Brightwood, Michigan Park or Ft Totten

Yes, I agree that Latin 1s campus fell short of a central location, like down by the mall. TBH they faced massive financial constraints as well as the city being super stingy and actually unethical at that time with "released school buildings" going to charters, so the building they ended up with is miraculous none the less. I still think the overarching goal should be central with good transport, and draw kids from all the wards. I suspect ward 7 + 8 families want this too - with transport help where needed. Maybe I'm wrong.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not concerned about the warehouse. I'm concerned about the threat of the move across the river for high school, and not because I fear Anacostia. Across the river isn't on the way to anywhere most Ward 5 + 6 families with preteens and teens want to go on weekdays. That commute would be a big pain, not just to get kids to campus, but to attend school events, parent meetings and the like.

I need an OK middle school to stay in the District and my IB school is a mess. Arguably, I should have at least one halfway acceptable 5th-12th grade option for my tax dollars...

This is so deeply ignorant. There are areas with more highly concentrated poverty and greater needs, but there are also BEAUTIFUL and SAFE area of both Wards 7 and 8 east of river (Hillcrest, Historic Anacostia, Fort Dupont, Kenilworth to name a few). My family bikes to some of these from Ward 6 and drives to others without any real safety concerns.

I have no idea there Latin II should or will end up, but it never ceases to amaze me how many people live in a total bubble. There's been plenty of street crime around Cap Hill, Brookland, H St., Kingman Park, Trinidad.

The PP mentioned accessibility, not crime or beauty

Crossing river at Benning Road, Penn Ave and 11th Street are all FAR more accessible from the eastern DC quadrants than Brightwood, Michigan Park or Ft Totten

Yes, I agree that Latin 1s campus fell short of a central location, like down by the mall. TBH they faced massive financial constraints as well as the city being super stingy and actually unethical at that time with "released school buildings" going to charters, so the building they ended up with is miraculous none the less. I still think the overarching goal should be central with good transport, and draw kids from all the wards. I suspect ward 7 + 8 families want this too - with transport help where needed. Maybe I'm wrong.

Tell us again why Latin didn't get any of the large school buildings that came up for bid and were obtained by other charters.

The city doesn't owe Latin a building FFS.

[Anonymous]

My admitted numbers got deleted I think, but here's the proposed enrollment matrix (higher numbers than this year, and more grade balance):

The charter agreement: The proposed new campus will open in the 2020-2021 academic
year and will serve 95 5th graders and 95 6th graders, for a
total of 190 students. Each year following the campus’ opening,
the school will add one grade with 95 students up to the 9th
grade and 90 students from grades 10 to 12. We will reach full
enrollment after seven years, with between 720-750 students,
enrolled from 5th to 12th grade in the 2026-2027 academic year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My admitted numbers got deleted I think, but here's the proposed enrollment matrix (higher numbers than this year, and more grade balance):

The charter agreement: The proposed new campus will open in the 2020-2021 academic
year and will serve 95 5th graders and 95 6th graders, for a
total of 190 students. Each year following the campus’ opening,
the school will add one grade with 95 students up to the 9th
grade and 90 students from grades 10 to 12. We will reach full
enrollment after seven years, with between 720-750 students,
enrolled from 5th to 12th grade in the 2026-2027 academic year.

So I return to the WHY if anyone knows why Latin Cooper admitted twice as many 6th as 5ths

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My admitted numbers got deleted I think, but here's the proposed enrollment matrix (higher numbers than this year, and more grade balance):

The charter agreement: The proposed new campus will open in the 2020-2021 academic
year and will serve 95 5th graders and 95 6th graders, for a
total of 190 students. Each year following the campus’ opening,
the school will add one grade with 95 students up to the 9th
grade and 90 students from grades 10 to 12. We will reach full
enrollment after seven years, with between 720-750 students,
enrolled from 5th to 12th grade in the 2026-2027 academic year.

So I return to the WHY if anyone knows why Latin Cooper admitted twice as many 6th as 5ths

https://dcpcsb.org/sites/default/files/Washington-Latin-Replication-and-ECI-Amendment-Application.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My admitted numbers got deleted I think, but here's the proposed enrollment matrix (higher numbers than this year, and more grade balance):

The charter agreement: The proposed new campus will open in the 2020-2021 academic
year and will serve 95 5th graders and 95 6th graders, for a
total of 190 students. Each year following the campus’ opening,
the school will add one grade with 95 students up to the 9th
grade and 90 students from grades 10 to 12. We will reach full
enrollment after seven years, with between 720-750 students,
enrolled from 5th to 12th grade in the 2026-2027 academic year.

So I return to the WHY if anyone knows why Latin Cooper admitted twice as many 6th as 5ths

they know they can go deeper on 5th grade waitlist if needed and 6th graders more likely to pull in sibs for 5th next year

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not concerned about the warehouse. I'm concerned about the threat of the move across the river for high school, and not because I fear Anacostia. Across the river isn't on the way to anywhere most Ward 5 + 6 families with preteens and teens want to go on weekdays. That commute would be a big pain, not just to get kids to campus, but to attend school events, parent meetings and the like.

I need an OK middle school to stay in the District and my IB school is a mess. Arguably, I should have at least one halfway acceptable 5th-12th grade option for my tax dollars...

This is so deeply ignorant. There are areas with more highly concentrated poverty and greater needs, but there are also BEAUTIFUL and SAFE area of both Wards 7 and 8 east of river (Hillcrest, Historic Anacostia, Fort Dupont, Kenilworth to name a few). My family bikes to some of these from Ward 6 and drives to others without any real safety concerns.

I have no idea there Latin II should or will end up, but it never ceases to amaze me how many people live in a total bubble. There's been plenty of street crime around Cap Hill, Brookland, H St., Kingman Park, Trinidad.

The PP mentioned accessibility, not crime or beauty

Crossing river at Benning Road, Penn Ave and 11th Street are all FAR more accessible from the eastern DC quadrants than Brightwood, Michigan Park or Ft Totten

Yes, I agree that Latin 1s campus fell short of a central location, like down by the mall. TBH they faced massive financial constraints as well as the city being super stingy and actually unethical at that time with "released school buildings" going to charters, so the building they ended up with is miraculous none the less. I still think the overarching goal should be central with good transport, and draw kids from all the wards. I suspect ward 7 + 8 families want this too - with transport help where needed. Maybe I'm wrong.

Tell us again why Latin didn't get any of the large school buildings that came up for bid and were obtained by other charters.

The city doesn't owe Latin a building FFS.

No, they did not "owe" Latin, they "owed" the educational landscape of our city. The law at the time gave charters right of first offer (an analogy would be DC tenants' rights to organized and purchase when a residential building is being sold), but released school buildings were instead sold off for great profit to developers by the city or simply sat upon. So no schools/school children got them. There are extensive articles and investigations into this like the one linked below that may help to clarify your understanding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-is-denying-charter-schools-right-to-unused-buildings/2019/12/24/15e0f280-25b7-11ea-9cc9-e19cfbc87e51_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:


Tell us again why Latin didn't get any of the large school buildings that came up for bid and were obtained by other charters.

The city doesn't owe Latin a building FFS.


No, they did not "owe" Latin, they "owed" the educational landscape of our city. The law at the time gave charters right of first offer (an analogy would be DC tenants' rights to organized and purchase when a residential building is being sold), but released school buildings were instead sold off for great profit to developers by the city or simply sat upon. So no schools/school children got them. There are extensive articles and investigations into this like the one linked below that may help to clarify your understanding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-is-deny...a-9cc9-e19cfbc87e51_story.html

This. Latin has an extremely long wait list, was strongly encouraged to open a second campus by the PCSB, the city has spent hundreds of millions to renovate high schools like Cardozo, Coolidge and Dunbar which sit underenrolled, and still the city will not relinquish existing vacant school buildings for use by high-demand charters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Tell us again why Latin didn't get any of the large school buildings that came up for bid and were obtained by other charters.

The city doesn't owe Latin a building FFS.


No, they did not "owe" Latin, they "owed" the educational landscape of our city. The law at the time gave charters right of first offer (an analogy would be DC tenants' rights to organized and purchase when a residential building is being sold), but released school buildings were instead sold off for great profit to developers by the city or simply sat upon. So no schools/school children got them. There are extensive articles and investigations into this like the one linked below that may help to clarify your understanding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-is-deny...a-9cc9-e19cfbc87e51_story.html

This. Latin has an extremely long wait list, was strongly encouraged to open a second campus by the PCSB, the city has spent hundreds of millions to renovate high schools like Cardozo, Coolidge and Dunbar which sit underenrolled, and still the city will not relinquish existing vacant school buildings for use by high-demand charters.

At the risk of introducing logic and reason into this discussion...The amount of money DCPS has spent to renovate its operating schools is irrelevant to the discussion. By law DCPS doesn't fund charter buildings so that's a red herring. The argument that this issue in any way informs whether or to what degree Latin II was denied a building is also nonsense; DC has not disposed of any "excess" buildings in the period relevant to Latin II's opening. What pissed me (and many others) off was when DC used to sell (or basically gift) to developers DCPS buildings for development as condos or other non-education related uses. That was what drove the requirement for right of first refusal for charters.

As school enrollments and projections have increased DC has basically stopped the practice of labeling physical resources as "excess" thereby leaving no pool of buildings for charters to claim under a right of first refusal. Unless you can point to an excess building Latin was denied perhaps the discussion could focus on relevant matters?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My admitted numbers got deleted I think, but here's the proposed enrollment matrix (higher numbers than this year, and more grade balance):

The charter agreement: The proposed new campus will open in the 2020-2021 academic
year and will serve 95 5th graders and 95 6th graders, for a
total of 190 students. Each year following the campus’ opening,
the school will add one grade with 95 students up to the 9th
grade and 90 students from grades 10 to 12. We will reach full
enrollment after seven years, with between 720-750 students,
enrolled from 5th to 12th grade in the 2026-2027 academic year.

So I return to the WHY if anyone knows why Latin Cooper admitted twice as many 6th as 5ths

they know they can go deeper on 5th grade waitlist if needed and 6th graders more likely to pull in sibs for 5th next year

NP. What???

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Tell us again why Latin didn't get any of the large school buildings that came up for bid and were obtained by other charters.

The city doesn't owe Latin a building FFS.


No, they did not "owe" Latin, they "owed" the educational landscape of our city. The law at the time gave charters right of first offer (an analogy would be DC tenants' rights to organized and purchase when a residential building is being sold), but released school buildings were instead sold off for great profit to developers by the city or simply sat upon. So no schools/school children got them. There are extensive articles and investigations into this like the one linked below that may help to clarify your understanding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-is-deny...a-9cc9-e19cfbc87e51_story.html

This. Latin has an extremely long wait list, was strongly encouraged to open a second campus by the PCSB, the city has spent hundreds of millions to renovate high schools like Cardozo, Coolidge and Dunbar which sit underenrolled, and still the city will not relinquish existing vacant school buildings for use by high-demand charters.

At the risk of introducing logic and reason into this discussion...The amount of money DCPS has spent to renovate its operating schools is irrelevant to the discussion. By law DCPS doesn't fund charter buildings so that's a red herring. The argument that this issue in any way informs whether or to what degree Latin II was denied a building is also nonsense; DC has not disposed of any "excess" buildings in the period relevant to Latin II's opening. What pissed me (and many others) off was when DC used to sell (or basically gift) to developers DCPS buildings for development as condos or other non-education related uses. That was what drove the requirement for right of first refusal for charters.

As school enrollments and projections have increased DC has basically stopped the practice of labeling physical resources as "excess" thereby leaving no pool of buildings for charters to claim under a right of first refusal. Unless you can point to an excess building Latin was denied perhaps the discussion could focus on relevant matters?

What pissed ME off was when they kept doing this, or sitting on buildings, after the requirement was passed. In my books DC owes public charter kids a few buildings due to their own past violations of the requirements. They are doing right by regular public school kids with their renovations, which have been a good thing even with some striking overruns (Ellington for example)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Tell us again why Latin didn't get any of the large school buildings that came up for bid and were obtained by other charters.

The city doesn't owe Latin a building FFS.


No, they did not "owe" Latin, they "owed" the educational landscape of our city. The law at the time gave charters right of first offer (an analogy would be DC tenants' rights to organized and purchase when a residential building is being sold), but released school buildings were instead sold off for great profit to developers by the city or simply sat upon. So no schools/school children got them. There are extensive articles and investigations into this like the one linked below that may help to clarify your understanding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-is-deny...a-9cc9-e19cfbc87e51_story.html

This. Latin has an extremely long wait list, was strongly encouraged to open a second campus by the PCSB, the city has spent hundreds of millions to renovate high schools like Cardozo, Coolidge and Dunbar which sit underenrolled, and still the city will not relinquish existing vacant school buildings for use by high-demand charters.

At the risk of introducing logic and reason into this discussion...The amount of money DCPS has spent to renovate its operating schools is irrelevant to the discussion. By law DCPS doesn't fund charter buildings so that's a red herring. The argument that this issue in any way informs whether or to what degree Latin II was denied a building is also nonsense; DC has not disposed of any "excess" buildings in the period relevant to Latin II's opening. What pissed me (and many others) off was when DC used to sell (or basically gift) to developers DCPS buildings for development as condos or other non-education related uses. That was what drove the requirement for right of first refusal for charters.

As school enrollments and projections have increased DC has basically stopped the practice of labeling physical resources as "excess" thereby leaving no pool of buildings for charters to claim under a right of first refusal. Unless you can point to an excess building Latin was denied perhaps the discussion could focus on relevant matters?

What pissed ME off was when they kept doing this, or sitting on buildings, after the requirement was passed. In my books DC owes public charter kids a few buildings due to their own past violations of the requirements. They are doing right by regular public school kids with their renovations, which have been a good thing even with some striking overruns (Ellington for example)

You are entitled to that belief. Unfortunately the law does not speak to reparations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:


Tell us again why Latin didn't get any of the large school buildings that came up for bid and were obtained by other charters.

The city doesn't owe Latin a building FFS.


No, they did not "owe" Latin, they "owed" the educational landscape of our city. The law at the time gave charters right of first offer (an analogy would be DC tenants' rights to organized and purchase when a residential building is being sold), but released school buildings were instead sold off for great profit to developers by the city or simply sat upon. So no schools/school children got them. There are extensive articles and investigations into this like the one linked below that may help to clarify your understanding.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dc-is-deny...a-9cc9-e19cfbc87e51_story.html

This. Latin has an extremely long wait list, was strongly encouraged to open a second campus by the PCSB, the city has spent hundreds of millions to renovate high schools like Cardozo, Coolidge and Dunbar which sit underenrolled, and still the city will not relinquish existing vacant school buildings for use by high-demand charters.

At the risk of introducing logic and reason into this discussion...The amount of money DCPS has spent to renovate its operating schools is irrelevant to the discussion. By law DCPS doesn't fund charter buildings so that's a red herring. The argument that this issue in any way informs whether or to what degree Latin II was denied a building is also nonsense; DC has not disposed of any "excess" buildings in the period relevant to Latin II's opening. What pissed me (and many others) off was when DC used to sell (or basically gift) to developers DCPS buildings for development as condos or other non-education related uses. That was what drove the requirement for right of first refusal for charters.

As school enrollments and projections have increased DC has basically stopped the practice of labeling physical resources as "excess" thereby leaving no pool of buildings for charters to claim under a right of first refusal. Unless you can point to an excess building Latin was denied perhaps the discussion could focus on relevant matters?

What pissed ME off was when they kept doing this, or sitting on buildings, after the requirement was passed. In my books DC owes public charter kids a few buildings due to their own past violations of the requirements. They are doing right by regular public school kids with their renovations, which have been a good thing even with some striking overruns (Ellington for example)

You are entitled to that belief. Unfortunately the law does not speak to reparations.

No, but those saying "Latin isn't owed anything" can have their facts straight about the double dealing that took place on valuable educational real estate by our city, and voice support for charter schools in the future on this issue.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm not concerned about the warehouse. I'm concerned about the threat of the move across the river for high school, and not because I fear Anacostia. Across the river isn't on the way to anywhere most Ward 5 + 6 families with preteens and teens want to go on weekdays. That commute would be a big pain, not just to get kids to campus, but to attend school events, parent meetings and the like.

I need an OK middle school to stay in the District and my IB school is a mess. Arguably, I should have at least one halfway acceptable 5th-12th grade option for my tax dollars...

This is so deeply ignorant. There are areas with more highly concentrated poverty and greater needs, but there are also BEAUTIFUL and SAFE area of both Wards 7 and 8 east of river (Hillcrest, Historic Anacostia, Fort Dupont, Kenilworth to name a few). My family bikes to some of these from Ward 6 and drives to others without any real safety concerns.

I have no idea there Latin II should or will end up, but it never ceases to amaze me how many people live in a total bubble. There's been plenty of street crime around Cap Hill, Brookland, H St., Kingman Park, Trinidad.

The PP mentioned accessibility, not crime or beauty

Crossing river at Benning Road, Penn Ave and 11th Street are all FAR more accessible from the eastern DC quadrants than Brightwood, Michigan Park or Ft Totten

Yes, I agree that Latin 1s campus fell short of a central location, like down by the mall. TBH they faced massive financial constraints as well as the city being super stingy and actually unethical at that time with "released school buildings" going to charters, so the building they ended up with is miraculous none the less. I still think the overarching goal should be central with good transport, and draw kids from all the wards. I suspect ward 7 + 8 families want this too - with transport help where needed. Maybe I'm wrong.

Where do you think there is space for a school like Latin "down by the mall"? That's where BASIS is, in a cramped building with no private fields and many people complain about the building (no one complains about the location). You can't have everything.

However, I will agree that putting a school in Ward 7 or 8 is going to make things hard for families outside of that area - but families from EOTP have been commuting to schools in far upper NW forever to get better opportunities. Latin 2 just needs to show that it is an equally appealing educational opportunity for the reverse commute.