UMC suburban college student lied about background to become prestigious Rhodes Scholar

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is off about her being in foster care and being hospitalized because of her mother's abuse?


The incident happened in 2014, a year before she went to college. So she was in foster homes for one year. But she lied about the rest of her childhood, omitting apparently to tell them she went to a $30,000 a year private school and her mother was a radiologist. And of course the prosecutor dropped the charges against the mother and said they couldn't be proven. And the Rhodes Committee said her description of her injuries were inconsistent with the hospital records. Does that answer your question?


I am not sure where you are getting this information. here's what I found in an article from February 2021. It sounds like Mackenzie has been forthcoming about her private school.
Fierceton’s research hits close to home. Having spent time in foster homes in St. Louis, she understands how the system stacks odds against children like her. According to studies, about 50 percent of foster youth graduate from high school and only 2.5 percent from a four-year college. “The overwhelming majority of foster youth do want to complete high school and go on to college or trade school or vocational school,” Fierceton claims. “But then when we get there, we have no support and the wheels just kind of fall off, in a sense.”

Fierceton notes that her experience in the foster system, while still difficult, was an exception to the rule. She went to a private high school, where the adults looked out for her, almost approximating a sense of family. Teachers showed up at soccer games and theater performances, while friends’ families invited her over for holidays and ensured she had clothes and “everything she needed” while she moved through the system.

“For foster youth, in particular, your success is determined by your social support and social capital,” she says. “I got where I am today because I don’t face the innumerable racial, educational, and sociopolitical marginalizations that the vast majority of foster youth experience. That’s why I was able to go to Penn, and why I have access to so many spaces.”

Fierceton is currently pursuing a master’s in social work at Penn with an eye toward reforming the system she spent time in—even if that means having a gentler understanding of the social workers who struggled to support her. “When I aged out of the foster care system, I wanted to get as far away from [it] as possible. I never wanted to talk to another social worker for the rest of my life,” she says, remembering one particular caseworker of hers who never bothered to learn her name after skipping visits for months. At the time, again from a hospital bed, Fierceton emailed “every politician [she] could think of” about how they must reform child welfare and find her a better caseworker.


Reading only the content you quoted, it does seem like she is describing herself as someone who was in the foster system a long time. I get that just one year in the system is difficult, but there are undoubtedly many, many kids who are in the system their whole lives—unlike Fierceton who had a home with her mother for all but 1 year before heading off to college, if I understand correctly. She seems to be equating her experience with theirs and I would imagine that the two experiences are very different. So this suggests she is intentionally misleading by encouraging people to think it was different than it was.


DP but all it says is "having spent time" - she's not misleading with this article. I think when the typical layperson reads "aged out of foster care" the assumption is that the person was in from early childhood to 18, but that's not necessarily true. She did age out of the foster system.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Well, I imagine the facts will come out because now Penn can subpoena the hospital for its records if they hadn’t before.

the idea that medical records are infallible is LAUGHABLE. My hospital system makes notes accessible via their online system; I always check them afterwards because I'm curious and want to make sure I understood the doctor correctly. There's almost always a small detail wrong, and sometimes very large details wrong. When I got a concussion, the doctor wrote that I had no nausea following my injury, when in fact the only reason I went to urgent care after hitting my head was because of the continued nausea (my partner was there and can confirm I said this multiple times). Many doctors have written that I have fibromyalgia when I told them I have dysautonomia. My partner has been referred to as my mother multiple times (!?). The ENT has told me that my neck muscles are extremely tight and that I'm very congested, and then written in the nose/neck sections of the note that everything is normal. I could go on and on.

Mackenzie was what, 16 when she was in the hospital? She was having seizures. She was there for three weeks, put into foster care, and subjected to a police investigation. Is it really so shocking that she'd misremember minor details from an extremely traumatizing time in her life? We know that trauma interferes with memory.


Sure. But when there is a history of other untruths, it seems unlikely that there would coincidentally mismanaged hospital records that were incorrect years in advance.

My guess is that the hospital records don't match the story much at all, which will be an issue.
Anonymous
I’d like to see this same scrutiny applied to all the bogus non-profits kids are spouting off about in essays, among other things! “Ava said she was instrumental in starting a popular and dynamic astronomy club at her school but actually it’s meetings were not well attended nor dynamic. Degree revoked!”
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see this same scrutiny applied to all the bogus non-profits kids are spouting off about in essays, among other things! “Ava said she was instrumental in starting a popular and dynamic astronomy club at her school but actually it’s meetings were not well attended nor dynamic. Degree revoked!”

I linked a video where an MIT student with a large Youtube following reads her MIT essays and basically laughs at them and says "yeah...that didn't happen". Like, she wrote an essay about mentoring freshmen in mock trial and was so happy that her mentoring led the team (including her mentees) to win a state championship...and then admits that 1. freshmen don't go to state for mock trial and 2. she didn't do anything resembling mentoring freshmen in mock trial.

But, no one cares about that. They just want to rip on this girl. Why, I'm not sure.
Anonymous
Could someone hypothesize how she is paying a lawyer to represent her at the meetings which led her to withdraw her Rhodes application? Or is it an all purpose contingency arrangement which will involve any sort of lawsuit he can get to stick? Including the claimed seizure in the basement.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:I’d like to see this same scrutiny applied to all the bogus non-profits kids are spouting off about in essays, among other things! “Ava said she was instrumental in starting a popular and dynamic astronomy club at her school but actually it’s meetings were not well attended nor dynamic. Degree revoked!”


I'm fine with scrutinizing bogus non-profits as well.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What is off about her being in foster care and being hospitalized because of her mother's abuse?


The incident happened in 2014, a year before she went to college. So she was in foster homes for one year. But she lied about the rest of her childhood, omitting apparently to tell them she went to a $30,000 a year private school and her mother was a radiologist. And of course the prosecutor dropped the charges against the mother and said they couldn't be proven. And the Rhodes Committee said her description of her injuries were inconsistent with the hospital records. Does that answer your question?


I am not sure where you are getting this information. here's what I found in an article from February 2021. It sounds like Mackenzie has been forthcoming about her private school.
Fierceton’s research hits close to home. Having spent time in foster homes in St. Louis, she understands how the system stacks odds against children like her. According to studies, about 50 percent of foster youth graduate from high school and only 2.5 percent from a four-year college. “The overwhelming majority of foster youth do want to complete high school and go on to college or trade school or vocational school,” Fierceton claims. “But then when we get there, we have no support and the wheels just kind of fall off, in a sense.”

Fierceton notes that her experience in the foster system, while still difficult, was an exception to the rule. She went to a private high school, where the adults looked out for her, almost approximating a sense of family. Teachers showed up at soccer games and theater performances, while friends’ families invited her over for holidays and ensured she had clothes and “everything she needed” while she moved through the system.

“For foster youth, in particular, your success is determined by your social support and social capital,” she says. “I got where I am today because I don’t face the innumerable racial, educational, and sociopolitical marginalizations that the vast majority of foster youth experience. That’s why I was able to go to Penn, and why I have access to so many spaces.”

Fierceton is currently pursuing a master’s in social work at Penn with an eye toward reforming the system she spent time in—even if that means having a gentler understanding of the social workers who struggled to support her. “When I aged out of the foster care system, I wanted to get as far away from [it] as possible. I never wanted to talk to another social worker for the rest of my life,” she says, remembering one particular caseworker of hers who never bothered to learn her name after skipping visits for months. At the time, again from a hospital bed, Fierceton emailed “every politician [she] could think of” about how they must reform child welfare and find her a better caseworker.


Reading only the content you quoted, it does seem like she is describing herself as someone who was in the foster system a long time. I get that just one year in the system is difficult, but there are undoubtedly many, many kids who are in the system their whole lives—unlike Fierceton who had a home with her mother for all but 1 year before heading off to college, if I understand correctly. She seems to be equating her experience with theirs and I would imagine that the two experiences are very different. So this suggests she is intentionally misleading by encouraging people to think it was different than it was.

"seems like" "she seems to be"

It's not her fault you are extrapolating.
Anonymous
Another point I'm not understanding is if the home life was as bad as she claimed, where are the therapists and such? It makes no sense that there was no professional help involved with this supposedly long running family dynamic. It's standard fare for the UMC to put at least the kid into therapy.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Another point I'm not understanding is if the home life was as bad as she claimed, where are the therapists and such? It makes no sense that there was no professional help involved with this supposedly long running family dynamic. It's standard fare for the UMC to put at least the kid into therapy.

why do you feel entitled to know that information?
Anonymous
I think it’s interesting that no one is mentioning the financial aspect. Pell grant students Pay very little for college. So she got an Ivy education plus masters with her very untrue story? And then she sued the school? That suit seems like a complete money grab. There is something wrong with this person. Not it’s not minor.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Another point I'm not understanding is if the home life was as bad as she claimed, where are the therapists and such? It makes no sense that there was no professional help involved with this supposedly long running family dynamic. It's standard fare for the UMC to put at least the kid into therapy.

why do you feel entitled to know that information?


+1 this young woman clearly comes from a troubled home and may be troubled herself but you people are crazy.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:So I thought when you applied to college you had to provide college with your high school transcript and then confirmation you graduated.

How in the world would UPenn NOT know what high school she went to and that it was a pricey private school? Of course they knew. I don’t understand the debate over this.


Did she sign off on financial records? Did her family pay for school?


Was she of age?
Anonymous
Also here in Virginia you can’t just leave your parents for a year and claim poverty for FA. Student had to be 24 years old to try to qualify.
Think of all the students who DIDN'T lie and now have huge school debts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:So to summarize -

1. Her mother is a doctor
2. There was some kind of incident between mother and teenage daughter that led to abuse charges (later dropped)
3. The daughter was actually in foster care for a period of time
4. The daughter definitely embellished significant parts of her origin story

Wow, that's a lot. Fierceton sounds like she has a few screws loose, but maybe so does her mother?





And the bio mom ratted out the daughter after she had won the Rhodes (BTW Ivies, in particular, spend a lot of time selecting and grooming Rhodes' candidates - of course Penn would take it away, and diploma, if she faked her story, which her bio mom says she did).


You left out the 22 days in the hospital after her mother physically abused her.


22 days in the hospital with a feeding tube and no injuries says mental illness to me. Psych ward. Pediatric.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Also here in Virginia you can’t just leave your parents for a year and claim poverty for FA. Student had to be 24 years old to try to qualify.
Think of all the students who DIDN'T lie and now have huge school debts.

she lied? what are you talking about?
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