New Youngkin ad starring a parent who wanted Toni Morrison's 'Beloved' removed from schools because

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There is absolutely no question that the graphic content in Beloved would have eliminated the book from consideration for a "gold star" for many years, regardless of the other important themes explored in the book. You simply want to make sure everyone knows you're in the group who gets to decide where the lines get drawn.

This is an even sillier take. I'm not on the Pulitzer Prize committee, and I'm not on the Nobel Prize committee. I'm just a person who has read Beloved and seen Hustler magazines and can tell the difference.

It doesn't matter, though. The bottom line is: if you're not comfortable with your high-school student reading literature in AP Literature, then there are plenty of other English classes your student can take instead.

DP. My kid is just fine in AP Lit, thanks. As long there are other books she can read instead of Beloved, we're good.

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So now we have a system where, if you live in Virginia, you can opt out of your kid being included in a classroom directory, but you get no advance notice if they are going to be assigned a book that may show a middle-aged man sucking off a teenager or recount in extensive detail a brutal rape. That's what Youngkin is calling out in his campaign ad; he simply wasn't astute enough to realize that Toni Morrison is such a cultural icon that any implicit criticism of her work (or its suitability for students of any age) unites the elites in horror.

So, he's a fool and his advisers are also all fools? And this qualifies him to be governor?

One could be a good governor without anticipating quite the fury that any implicit criticism of Toni Morrison's work would unleash among the cultural elite.

Attacking McAuliffe for vetoing a perfectly sensible bill was fair game. Doing so by highlighting a Lake Braddock mom who has a years-old beef with Beloved was not clever.

But, of course, McAuliffe gets things wrong, too. Claiming 1142 kids are currently in ICU beds in Virginia, and suggesting that was due to Covid, when there were 35 children in ICU beds in the state is a gaffe, as is blathering that parents shouldn't tell schools what to teach. And what's up with getting Biden to show up at a campaign event in the single most Democratic part of the state - Arlington? Is that the best he could do, or is he worried that his support is faltering even there?

So, he wasn't smart enough to understand that it's not going to win you votes among undecided voters in North Virginia when you side with the book-banners, and neither were all of the advisers he pays lots of money to - but he can still be a good governor?

My neighbor's golden retriever would be smart enough to understand that. Maybe she could be a good governor too.

Nothing screams "DNC-outsourced" quite like referring to "North Virginia" on a primarily local forum.

You need a new dog, preferably one that can hunt.

My fingers didn't type -ern and I didn't proofread. Notwithstanding my personal failings, anybody could have told Youngkin that NoVa undecided voters don't like Trump. The more Trumpy/culture-war-y Youngkin sounds, the more they won't vote for him.

Ah. You were so on top of your game until you weren't.

In any case, it's quite possible undecided voters are now more sympathetic to "culture war" arguments centering around having been ignored by McAuliiffe during his last term, since they may have gotten more of a taste of being ignored by other Democrats (i.e., the VDOE and local School Board officials) over the past several years. Most of the people having a hissy fit about the mere idea of giving high schoolers an alternative to reading Beloved were already squarely on Team McAuliffe.

Uhhh, this kid is 27 years old now... was he governor 10 years ago? 🤔

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There is absolutely no question that the graphic content in Beloved would have eliminated the book from consideration for a "gold star" for many years, regardless of the other important themes explored in the book. You simply want to make sure everyone knows you're in the group who gets to decide where the lines get drawn.

This is an even sillier take. I'm not on the Pulitzer Prize committee, and I'm not on the Nobel Prize committee. I'm just a person who has read Beloved and seen Hustler magazines and can tell the difference.

It doesn't matter, though. The bottom line is: if you're not comfortable with your high-school student reading literature in AP Literature, then there are plenty of other English classes your student can take instead.

DP. My kid is just fine in AP Lit, thanks. As long there are other books she can read instead of Beloved, we're good.

Dap. Your kid better hope Beloved doesn’t turn up on the AP exam or she’s going to blow it. They won’t exempt her from that question just because you didn’t want her reading it.

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I was already living on my own with a job and going to college.

This boy's mommy worries about the nightmare he has from reading a book. I don't know who I'm more embarrassed for - the man child, this mom or us a society that we don't vote losers like this off the island.

And so you feel exactly the same way about snowflake liberal college "kids" who insist on safe spaces and trigger warnings - right?

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Anonymous wrote:Still laughing at "highly sexualized content"

Another ignoramus who hasn't read the book but feels qualified to sound off about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Woot!! Dinosaur Jesus will rise again!!

Told you this foolishness would unravel. No, I don’t want parents like this deciding what should be taught in schools.

Parents like this lady

It would be nice if the reporter identified this "typical Loudoun County mother" as a professional Republican consultant.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/patti-hidalgo-menders-06712917/

Whoa... that lady in the video is totally unhinged.

"If we talk about racism less, you're gonna notice it less..." 🤯

Right, right, riiiight lady; that is unless you're black, a POC or any other than nationality other than white, lol.

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Anonymous wrote:If I had told my parents that a Pulitzer price winning author’s book scared me when I was 17, they would have thought I was insane. WTF?

It really speaks volumes as to how coddled children are from conservative families.

+1

The guy from the story is now 27... how is he not embarrassed that this was shared so widely?

He’s a GOP operative, I’m sure he’s quite happy to have stories of his emotional issues circulated publicly if it Ishtar help a Republican pick up a point in the polls.

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I was undecided who to vote for in this election, but for Youngkin to placate the entitlement of mothers like this?
Well, it's sealed the deal for me.

This ad was a huge mistake.

Agreed.
Youngkin has already had the uber-conservatives, quanons, radical right, etc all locked up all along -- there was zero reason or need to preach to them anymore.

What he didn't have is we few who were undecided; either because we have beliefs that both parties stand for, or because we really don't like either candidate and we're trying to figure out the lesser of two evils... or whatever their reasoning may be, there were plenty of us.

However, this right here is where I draw the line.

This ad was a monstrous error in judgment that I cannot condone.

So basically Youngkin should’ve been a better liar and not shown his true hand so early?

Not a ringing endorsement of Youngkin if he needs to “trick” moderates into voting for him.

Which is exactly what he is trying to do. His minions have been all over dcum lately writing in posts that they are middle of the road people who find him a refreshing moderate Republican. He is nothing of the sort. His campaign has intentionally scrubbed lots of the more extreme rhetoric from their web sites, ads etc. He has ties to and was promoted in the beginning by a very extreme right wing, racist group in Loudoun.

You are so cute, acting like you know exactly who is posting. Guess what? Plenty of "middle of the road people" are drawn to Youngkin for various reasons - the biggest being that he is not a Democrat. Many of us have had our fill of looney Democrats and we're ready for a change. It just shows how desperate you are to paint people as "his minions, posing as people they're not." Once again, liberals are having a hard time grappling with the reality that not everyone agrees with them. Kind of pathetic that you still haven't caught on.

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There is absolutely no question that the graphic content in Beloved would have eliminated the book from consideration for a "gold star" for many years, regardless of the other important themes explored in the book. You simply want to make sure everyone knows you're in the group who gets to decide where the lines get drawn.

This is an even sillier take. I'm not on the Pulitzer Prize committee, and I'm not on the Nobel Prize committee. I'm just a person who has read Beloved and seen Hustler magazines and can tell the difference.

It doesn't matter, though. The bottom line is: if you're not comfortable with your high-school student reading literature in AP Literature, then there are plenty of other English classes your student can take instead.

DP. My kid is just fine in AP Lit, thanks. As long there are other books she can read instead of Beloved, we're good.

Dap. Your kid better hope Beloved doesn’t turn up on the AP exam or she’s going to blow it. They won’t exempt her from that question just because you didn’t want her reading it.

Here's an AP Lit reading list....hoo boy, it's going to be hard to avoid sex and graphic violence with this list

https://blog.prepscholar.com/ap-literature-reading-list

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Anonymous wrote:What I find amazing is that after reading Beloved, the conservative religious mom felt compelled to push for a ban on this, and similar books, and promote stricter rules against teaching about the atrocities and gruesome nature of slavery through literature. A compassionate, normal human would’ve been shocked and appalled by slavery itself (not the book) and how harrowing it was to live through . If only she’d have put a scintilla of that effort into combating the long lasting effects of slavery on AAs today. But no, she went the white fragility route

+1 Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:Woot!! Dinosaur Jesus will rise again!!

Told you this foolishness would unravel. No, I don’t want parents like this deciding what should be taught in schools.

Parents like this lady

It would be nice if the reporter identified this "typical Loudoun County mother" as a professional Republican consultant.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/patti-hidalgo-menders-06712917/

That woman is a loon.

"When the subject is race, parents should be the educators, not teachers..."

"Ok, so what about when schools teach about slavery?"

"I'm not an educator"

Hmmm, not really making a rational argument there... why would anyone listen to a word this ignorant ignoramus has to say?

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So now we have a system where, if you live in Virginia, you can opt out of your kid being included in a classroom directory, but you get no advance notice if they are going to be assigned a book that may show a middle-aged man sucking off a teenager or recount in extensive detail a brutal rape. That's what Youngkin is calling out in his campaign ad; he simply wasn't astute enough to realize that Toni Morrison is such a cultural icon that any implicit criticism of her work (or its suitability for students of any age) unites the elites in horror.

So, he's a fool and his advisers are also all fools? And this qualifies him to be governor?

One could be a good governor without anticipating quite the fury that any implicit criticism of Toni Morrison's work would unleash among the cultural elite.

Attacking McAuliffe for vetoing a perfectly sensible bill was fair game. Doing so by highlighting a Lake Braddock mom who has a years-old beef with Beloved was not clever.

But, of course, McAuliffe gets things wrong, too. Claiming 1142 kids are currently in ICU beds in Virginia, and suggesting that was due to Covid, when there were 35 children in ICU beds in the state is a gaffe, as is blathering that parents shouldn't tell schools what to teach. And what's up with getting Biden to show up at a campaign event in the single most Democratic part of the state - Arlington? Is that the best he could do, or is he worried that his support is faltering even there?

So, he wasn't smart enough to understand that it's not going to win you votes among undecided voters in North Virginia when you side with the book-banners, and neither were all of the advisers he pays lots of money to - but he can still be a good governor?

My neighbor's golden retriever would be smart enough to understand that. Maybe she could be a good governor too.

Well, let's see. Terry wasn't smart enough to realize that saying "I don't think parents should be telling schools what they should teach" would be a MAJOR gaffe. He also wasn't smart enough to realize that condemning Northam for wearing blackface, saying it was "racist, unacceptable and inexcusable at any age," but then dismissing it as a "youthful mistake" when he wanted Northam's endorsement, was really stupid and hypocritical.

I bet your neighbor's golden retriever would be smart enough to understand that, too.

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So now we have a system where, if you live in Virginia, you can opt out of your kid being included in a classroom directory, but you get no advance notice if they are going to be assigned a book that may show a middle-aged man sucking off a teenager or recount in extensive detail a brutal rape. That's what Youngkin is calling out in his campaign ad; he simply wasn't astute enough to realize that Toni Morrison is such a cultural icon that any implicit criticism of her work (or its suitability for students of any age) unites the elites in horror.

So, he's a fool and his advisers are also all fools? And this qualifies him to be governor?

One could be a good governor without anticipating quite the fury that any implicit criticism of Toni Morrison's work would unleash among the cultural elite.

Attacking McAuliffe for vetoing a perfectly sensible bill was fair game. Doing so by highlighting a Lake Braddock mom who has a years-old beef with Beloved was not clever.

But, of course, McAuliffe gets things wrong, too. Claiming 1142 kids are currently in ICU beds in Virginia, and suggesting that was due to Covid, when there were 35 children in ICU beds in the state is a gaffe, as is blathering that parents shouldn't tell schools what to teach. And what's up with getting Biden to show up at a campaign event in the single most Democratic part of the state - Arlington? Is that the best he could do, or is he worried that his support is faltering even there?

So, he wasn't smart enough to understand that it's not going to win you votes among undecided voters in North Virginia when you side with the book-banners, and neither were all of the advisers he pays lots of money to - but he can still be a good governor?

My neighbor's golden retriever would be smart enough to understand that. Maybe she could be a good governor too.

Nothing screams "DNC-outsourced" quite like referring to "North Virginia" on a primarily local forum.

You need a new dog, preferably one that can hunt.

So true!

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Anonymous wrote:At 17 I was already living on my own with a job and going to college.

This boy's mommy worries about the nightmare he has from reading a book. I don't know who I'm more embarrassed for - the man child, this mom or us a society that we don't vote losers like this off the island.

And so you feel exactly the same way about snowflake liberal college "kids" who insist on safe spaces and trigger warnings - right?

Surely you can distinguish people not tolerating personal attacks against their identity from a Pulitzer award winning novel

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Anonymous wrote:If I had told my parents that a Pulitzer price winning author’s book scared me when I was 17, they would have thought I was insane. WTF?

It really speaks volumes as to how coddled children are from conservative families.

I hope these conservative parents understand that every single one of their coddled children has looked at porn on the internet. Every. single. one.

Exactly, PP! And not only has each and every one--boys and girls alike--looked at porn on the internet, but they've seen all other manner of violence and terrible human behavior on the internet. But the funniest thing of all to me is that these parents actually think their kids read books beyond elementary school! Newsflash--most HS kids (yes, I know there are exceptions) are not reading for pleasure and they're not reading old fashioned books cover to cover. Screen time has killed a lot of that. Ban whatever you want or forbid your child from reading whatever you don't approve of, but just know that 1) they can access any book they want any time, no matter what you say and 2) they ain't that interested in reading anyway. This continues in college too, BTW--not for all but for many kids.