Chances with these scores on Appeal

[Anonymous]

NNAT: 133
Cogat: 120
GBRS: 13
Report Cards: Mostly "O"..

Found ineligible.. Planning to do appeal with WISC scores.

WISC scores are:
Verbal Comprehension 126, Perceptual Organization 131 Working Memory 102 Processing Speed 109 Full Scale: 124

The Verbal Comprehension 126 and Perceptual Organization are the high scores in the subtests of WISC.. but becos of Working Memory and processing speed scores in the average range, the FUll Scale is 124.

Does the appeals committe look into the sub tests score? or only the Full Scale?

Please comment.

[Anonymous]

I am surprised that you did not get in initially. I would put you at about 75% likely to get in.

[Anonymous]

What were the DRA scores submitted? They often play into the decision as well.

[Anonymous]

I feel bad for you. Kids with flipped scores (much lower NNAT and just into pool on Cogat with prepping) were accepted. Good luck!

[Anonymous]

Looks like little bit above boarder line, 690% chance I say.

[Anonymous]

The DRA score is 30.

[Anonymous]

Did your psychologist suggest a GAI?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Did your psychologist suggest a GAI?

More at NAGC link:

http://www.nagc.org/index.aspx?id=2455

It is recommended practice to derive the General Ability Index (GAI) when there are large disparities among the Composite/Index scores (Flanagan & Kaufman, 2004; Weiss, Saklofske, Prifitera & Holdnack, 2006). Flanagan and Kaufman (2004), in Essentials of WISC-IV Assessment, deem the FSIQ “not interpretable” if Composite scores vary by 23 points (1.5 standard deviations) or more. The GAI utilizes only scores from the Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning Composites, not Working Memory and Processing Speed. If the Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning Composite scores vary by less than 23 points, “the GAI may be calculated and interpreted as a reliable and valid estimate of a child’s global intellectual ability” (p. 128). Use of the GAI takes on special significance with the gifted. Verbal Comprehension and Perceptual Reasoning tasks are heavily loaded on abstract reasoning ability and are better indicators of giftedness than Working Memory (auditory memory that is manipulated) and Processing Speed (speed on paper-and-pencil tasks). Pearson, publisher of the WISC-IV, provides GAI tables on its website in support of similar use of the GAI when the variance between Composite scores is both significant and unusual (see Technical Report #4).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The DRA score is 30.

I am guessing that is a 2nd grade DRA? For 2nd grade, a 30 is fairly typical as the minimum benchmark they want by the end of 2nd grade is a 28.
The maximum score for 1st graders in FCPS is 28 and the maximum for 2nd graders is 40.

I think your child's cogat score played a major role in their decision. With a composite of 120, I would guess that the subscores were not higher than 120.

Your child was definitely on the fence in the first round, but had a good chance. I worry about the chances with the WISC score because it is lower than the NNAT and CogAT scores.

If I were you, I would talk with the AART about putting together a strong appeal file that counters the weaknesses in the first file.

[Anonymous]

Reading these threads is like trying to understand a foreign language.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The DRA score is 30.

I am guessing that is a 2nd grade DRA? For 2nd grade, a 30 is fairly typical as the minimum benchmark they want by the end of 2nd grade is a 28.
The maximum score for 1st graders in FCPS is 28 and the maximum for 2nd graders is 40.

I think your child's cogat score played a major role in their decision. With a composite of 120, I would guess that the subscores were not higher than 120.

Your child was definitely on the fence in the first round, but had a good chance. I worry about the chances with the WISC score because it is lower than the NNAT and CogAT scores.

If I were you, I would talk with the AART about putting together a strong appeal file that counters the weaknesses in the first file.

Thank you.. Yes, is in 2nd grade. We are also non English speakers and my child does take ESOL classes at school.. However, the AART incorrectly put in the Screening summary sheet as as "Not enrolled in ESOL", "Never enrolled in ESOL" which is also part of the problem.

Also, do you think the scores in the subtests of WISC which are in "very Superior" range does not have any effect?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Looks like little bit above boarder line, 690% chance I say.

Sorry, obviously just below the border... 43.7% chance of clouds... partly sunny.... scattered rain.

[Anonymous]

I agree with 16:18. Unless you have a full scale IQ of 130+, I would not even bother with appeals. It is a waste of your time, will cause more frustration and heartache and will not change the result. Instead, allow your student to mature a year and nominate him/her again.

LCPS perspective is that this process is not to determine IF your child is gifted...it is, rather, to determine IF your child is in need of additional educational services (think of it as special education) to address his/her academic needs.

Also, keep in mind that behavioral and psychosocial elements can work for/against a student in this process. One of the brightest children I know (full scale IQ: 157) could NEVER handle a pull out center program, and therefore, was eliminated from the screening pool.

Good luck!

[Anonymous]

I'd say that your chances of getting in on appeal are really good!

[Anonymous]

Don't listen to the jealous naysayers. Your chances on appeal are excellent.