Another ICE Shooting in Minnesota

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Instead of stop ice , help ice and then they can do their job?

Look, troll, it's simple.

1. Minneapolis has a “separation” or sanctuary-style ordinance that bars city employees, including police, from enforcing federal civil immigration law, from asking about immigration status, and from participating in federal immigration enforcement activities. Under city policy, MPD does not honor ICE detainers or routinely notify ICE when someone is released, except in limited situations tied to criminal investigations where immigration status is directly relevant. Federal agencies like ICE can still operate in Minneapolis independently — but local law enforcement isn’t permitted by city ordinance to proactively hand undocumented people over to ICE for civil immigration enforcement. So the police can't just "help" ICE do their job.

2. And if any wonders why the mayor can't cooperate with ICE (which would involve ignoring the city’s immigration-separation policy voted in by the city council), it's because the mayor cannot unilaterally suspend or ignore an ordinance.

3) Furthermore, under U.S. constitutional law (the anti-commandeering doctrine), the federal government cannot require state or local officials to enforce federal immigration law.

4) To change Minneapolis's policy, it would require:

a) City Council action (repeal or amendment), or
b) A state or federal law or court order that legally preempts the ordinance.

That's the law. You believe in following laws, correct?

I would like to add that this practice, which is law in sanctuary cities, was the police department policy in almost every American city until 2025. Why? For very obvious safety reasons. Police departments are primarily concerned with the safety of locals. If a victim or witness is afraid of being deported, they will not report crimes. Again, I repeat, this was the standard police department policy in almost every American city. Trump is the one trying to change things and make America unsafe.

And that's the way citizens wanted it. MAGA go around screaming that the illegal immigrants are causing mayhem and committing crimes, but in truth, they aren't. If they were, of course citizens at the state level would be concerned about it and would be voting to change the state and city ordinances.

But they haven't been overwhelmingly, they realize that undocumented immigrants have a lower rate of crime than US citizens born in the US. People aren't particularly worried about their immigrant neighbors. If they do commit crimes, that's what the local police are for. No one is asking ICE to come in and brutally round up all the people with problems with their visa or paperwork and ship them away.

why is crime way down?
https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-poised-end-2025-largest-year-drop-homicides/story?id=128646976

Crime is down nationwide from the spike that happened after COVID. It isn't anything Trump is doing. afterall, his administration is the epicenter of Crime in the district of columbia

Then we should be seeing large spikes in 2020, 2021, followed by large drops in 2022,2023,2024. Is that what the data shows?

if you scale the charts down, then yes, that is what you will see. Crime overall is way down from the "crack" years.

https://counciloncj.org/crime-trends-in-u-s-cities-year-end-2025-update/

https://ncvs.bjs.ojp.gov/multi-year-trends/crimeType

https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/crime-trend

(if only there was a way to use the internet machine to find the answers to these questions)

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^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

The list of the deported includes a long list of criminal convictions, including violent crimes. Why do you call them non-criminals?

Yes, there are criminals on the list. However, according to DHS's own statistic, over 75% of the people being detained have no criminal record.

No criminal conviction is not the same as no criminal charges. Also, people with final removal orders do not have criminal record. Is it the Democrats' position that people should not be deported after they have been ordered removed by immigration court, so long as they have not committed a crime other than illegal entry?

Democrats don't speak as a whole (unlike MAGA cult members) so I can't answer for all Democrats. Both Obama and Biden enforced removal orders but use prioritized enforcement: ICE focused on criminals, recent border crossers, and security threats, while often deferring action against non-criminal, long-term residents.

Recent polls show that most Americans are pleased with the tighter control of the border--but do not support the current administration's every-single-illegal-in-the-country-must-be-removed-immediately approach.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

The list of the deported includes a long list of criminal convictions, including violent crimes. Why do you call them non-criminals?

Yes, there are criminals on the list. However, according to DHS's own statistic, over 75% of the people being detained have no criminal record.

No criminal conviction is not the same as no criminal charges. Also, people with final removal orders do not have criminal record. Is it the Democrats' position that people should not be deported after they have been ordered removed by immigration court, so long as they have not committed a crime other than illegal entry?

Democrats don't speak as a whole (unlike MAGA cult members) so I can't answer for all Democrats. Both Obama and Biden enforced removal orders but use prioritized enforcement: ICE focused on criminals, recent border crossers, and security threats, while often deferring action against non-criminal, long-term residents.

Recent polls show that most Americans are pleased with the tighter control of the border--but do not support the current administration's every-single-illegal-in-the-country-must-be-removed-immediately approach.

+1. Most Americans - at least the ones that respect the rule of law on which our country was built - also abhor an approach that is routinely gathering up innocent American citizens including children.

Miller has created incentives to arrest as many people as possible. Not just “illegals,” people. Arrest now and ask if there is justification later is deliberately violating the Constitution.

[Anonymous]

Good analysis explaining why this is within use of force guidelines-

https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/the-law-on-excessive-use-of-force

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

The list of the deported includes a long list of criminal convictions, including violent crimes. Why do you call them non-criminals?

Yes, there are criminals on the list. However, according to DHS's own statistic, over 75% of the people being detained have no criminal record.

No criminal conviction is not the same as no criminal charges. Also, people with final removal orders do not have criminal record. Is it the Democrats' position that people should not be deported after they have been ordered removed by immigration court, so long as they have not committed a crime other than illegal entry?

Democrats don't speak as a whole (unlike MAGA cult members) so I can't answer for all Democrats. Both Obama and Biden enforced removal orders but use prioritized enforcement: ICE focused on criminals, recent border crossers, and security threats, while often deferring action against non-criminal, long-term residents.

Recent polls show that most Americans are pleased with the tighter control of the border--but do not support the current administration's every-single-illegal-in-the-country-must-be-removed-immediately approach.

Obama prioritized protections for children while deterring and deporting new arrivals at the southern border with stop gap measures intended to maintain a manageable flow of new immigrants. Obama's common sense approach was very similar to the approaches of his predecessors.

What Trump and Biden have done can not be equated to what pre-2017 presidents did. Leave Obama and the rest of our normal presidents out of this mess.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:MN Dept of Corrections corrects DHS misinformation...again.

Background:
For those that don't know, state prisons in Minnesota actively cooperate and transfer criminal migrants to ICE and have done so for years.

The federal propaganda about lack of local cooperation paints the whole state with the same brush but a closer look reveals that cooperation at the local level varies by county. Some counties (especially large urban ones) refuse to honor ICE detainers without a warrant--their jails refuse to hold inmates past their court-ordered release date unless federal agents present a warrant signed by a judge. But at least 8 counties cooperate with ICE through 287(g) agreements.

Sanctuary policies are typically established through formal legislative actions or administrative directives by local governing bodies--e.g., city ordinances and county board resolutions. Local officials (like Mayor Frey) can't go against those policies unless the policies are overturned by local governing bodies.

So, as is the case with many important issues, the story is not as simple as the Trump administration presents it.

PS. I learn so much every day by researching issues raised on this site!

Yes, the state Department of Corrections will hand people over. The local jails will not do so, under orders from Tim Walz.

Damn, you're dumb ASF. Waltz is the governor of the state, not the county commissioner or sheriff. He doesn't control the county jails, but the state prison system.

[Anonymous]

Well the two ICE agents who pulled the trigger and murdered Pretti has been pulled off the street and placed on administrative leave.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well the two ICE agents who pulled the trigger and murdered Pretti has been pulled off the street and placed on administrative leave.

That's fine. Now let's do arrest, prosecution, and incarceration.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good analysis explaining why this is within use of force guidelines-

https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/the-law-on-excessive-use-of-force

Gotta love how the defense attorney for a bunch of people who attacked cops on Jan. 6 is now making the opposite and just as nonsensical argument

[Anonymous]

There's an author who I really like who sometimes send emails out to her fans about an upcoming books and whatnot.

Yesterday, she emailed about the shooting. She has never ever emailed anything about politics, but she was moved by what was happening in her home state of MN.

She described an incident where a woman with her hood up around her due to the cold was walking her dog. ICE agents had driven by, got out of their cars, pulled out their guns and surrounded her.

When she looked up and took her hood down, they saw that she was white -- blonde/blue eyed. They said nothing, put their guns back in their holsters and left.

Non white people are carrying their passports at all times, and sending their kids to school with a copy of their passports around their necks.

This is why non white people are scared. Trump's ICE is suspicious of anyone who doesn't look white.

When Trump was elected the second time, I posted on here that non white people, especially Hispanic people, will need to carry their passports with them at all times. Sadly, my words were prophetic.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Well the two ICE agents who pulled the trigger and murdered Pretti has been pulled off the street and placed on administrative leave.

That's fine. Now let's do arrest, prosecution, and incarceration.

+1

No one with at least half a brain will oppose the imprisonment of those idiots.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Good analysis explaining why this is within use of force guidelines-

https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/the-law-on-excessive-use-of-force

No, because the use of force starts with violently pushing the woman to the ground (excessive and unnecessary). Escalates instead of defuses.

I live in DC. There are a sh*t ton of protests. DC MPD handle them appropriately without that degree of escalation and violence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Instead of stop ice , help ice and then they can do their job?

Look, troll, it's simple.

1. Minneapolis has a “separation” or sanctuary-style ordinance that bars city employees, including police, from enforcing federal civil immigration law, from asking about immigration status, and from participating in federal immigration enforcement activities. Under city policy, MPD does not honor ICE detainers or routinely notify ICE when someone is released, except in limited situations tied to criminal investigations where immigration status is directly relevant. Federal agencies like ICE can still operate in Minneapolis independently — but local law enforcement isn’t permitted by city ordinance to proactively hand undocumented people over to ICE for civil immigration enforcement. So the police can't just "help" ICE do their job.

2. And if any wonders why the mayor can't cooperate with ICE (which would involve ignoring the city’s immigration-separation policy voted in by the city council), it's because the mayor cannot unilaterally suspend or ignore an ordinance.

3) Furthermore, under U.S. constitutional law (the anti-commandeering doctrine), the federal government cannot require state or local officials to enforce federal immigration law.

4) To change Minneapolis's policy, it would require:

a) City Council action (repeal or amendment), or
b) A state or federal law or court order that legally preempts the ordinance.

That's the law. You believe in following laws, correct?

I would like to add that this practice, which is law in sanctuary cities, was the police department policy in almost every American city until 2025. Why? For very obvious safety reasons. Police departments are primarily concerned with the safety of locals. If a victim or witness is afraid of being deported, they will not report crimes. Again, I repeat, this was the standard police department policy in almost every American city. Trump is the one trying to change things and make America unsafe.

Funny how y'all mock 'states rights' when its talk about Civil War but hump it here. LOL.

I don't think you read my post. I said it was POLICE DEPARTMENT POLICY in 95% of American cities. Blue and red states. And it was the policy for the safety of the citizens of each city. American police departments almost unanimously concluded that it was safer for the people the protect if they didn't ask about immigration status.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

The list of the deported includes a long list of criminal convictions, including violent crimes. Why do you call them non-criminals?

Yes, there are criminals on the list. However, according to DHS's own statistic, over 75% of the people being detained have no criminal record.

No criminal conviction is not the same as no criminal charges. Also, people with final removal orders do not have criminal record. Is it the Democrats' position that people should not be deported after they have been ordered removed by immigration court, so long as they have not committed a crime other than illegal entry?

Democrats don't speak as a whole (unlike MAGA cult members) so I can't answer for all Democrats. Both Obama and Biden enforced removal orders but use prioritized enforcement: ICE focused on criminals, recent border crossers, and security threats, while often deferring action against non-criminal, long-term residents.

Recent polls show that most Americans are pleased with the tighter control of the border--but do not support the current administration's every-single-illegal-in-the-country-must-be-removed-immediately approach.

Obama prioritized protections for children while deterring and deporting new arrivals at the southern border with stop gap measures intended to maintain a manageable flow of new immigrants. Obama's common sense approach was very similar to the approaches of his predecessors.

What Trump and Biden have done can not be equated to what pre-2017 presidents did. Leave Obama and the rest of our normal presidents out of this mess.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It is a felony to
"Assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with ICE's enforcement of federal law.

People who are doing this might find themselves arrested.
People who are violent while getting arrested might find themselves killed.
The guy was reaching for his holster, perhaps realizing his gun was being taken. Someone saw an empty holster and said he has a gun. At this point everyone backed away, giving a clear shot for an agent who thought he was a threat to shoot.
They already broke his rib the previous week, but this guy was so deranged he thought ICE is evil and he had to step up his attacks.

Can’t oppose them? That explains the thought police.