Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:Buying a house next to the Kennedy kid after 5 minutes of dating was cringe, but I actually think he’s the closest thing to the kind of guy (or gal, don’t @ me) she eventually settles down with. It will be somebody wealthy and connected, but not another celebrity.

No one who is wealthy and connected- old money- wants to date someone who is such a clinger and trying to become part of their family after a week, buying a house next to them, etc. I'm assuming for example that the Kennedys were mortified.

The Kennedy family is cursed. They are not the prize. It was a smart real estate investment. That is all. I am sure the Bessette family who tragically lost two daughters due to the Kennedy family tendency to take stupid risks with their lives, would have a word with Taylor Swift.

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She owns tons of real estate, and does not reside in the majority of it. Buying a home near the Kennedy guy was more about amassing real estate.

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Why does TS hang out so much with Cara Delevigne? I’m sorry but she just seems gross and is basically drunk at every game. Ew

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s a fake relationship, but I do wonder how much longer she’ll be able to get away with writing breakup songs. That’s all very relatable in one’s teens and 20s, but at some point, don’t even her most ardent fans feel like, “enough is enough, fix your picker, already”?

Well, it’s been working for J Lo for many years. I don’t think fans care that much, most people are used to celebrities messing up relationships left and right. It’s more rare for a celebrity to have a long marriage and much more common to have multiple relationships or divorces.

JLo isn't seen as a cool celebrity these days. She makes bad romantic movies and that's it.

I mean, I’m not a JO fan but she is successful and certainly gets a lot of attention paid on her. I’m not one of them but people are still going to tour and buying her music. She gets a ton of press she cure, but she gets it.

Madonna is the same, never really had a long-term relationship despite a few marriages. Plenty of people don’t care about these kind of things.

JLo has an acting career, her music is really not the focus of her celebrity at this point. No one sits around discussing her brilliance as a lyricist. No one cares. Her main job is showing up to awards shows with Ben, posting to social media, and making an occasional movie.

Madonna's always been very independent and unabashed about her attention-seeking, even when in relationships. She never played second fiddle to ANYONE. She's also received tons of criticism for it over the years but she DGAF. She just reinvents herself (again) and moves on. She became famous later than Taylor (in her 20s) and was always seen as an adult professional -- her parents didn't manage her career, she was never seen as an ingenue. There's always been a hardness to her, a sort of cravenness that she is up front about. Gwen Stefani is similar.

Taylor's full focus is music and her brand has remained pretty consistent over the years, and that brand is very young, romantic, and sweet. Reasonably, some of us are wondering how long it will hold up. This thing with Travis has been interesting because at a point when I think some of us thought she was going to pivot to a more mature, self-assured version of herself (the Eras tour has a lot of self-assuredness, Antihero is the most self-aware thing she's ever done, it feels like she's coming into her own in a new way), she made herself, very publicly, the adoring girlfriend of a guy who is less famous than her. Maybe it's really just emotionally driven -- she cares about him and his having fun. Good for her. From a career perspective, it seems like step backward and a little disappointing. She IS a role model to young women and it would have been cool to see her go about this in a different way that didn't require her to sort of subsume herself into his life the way she has.

I'm not some mega-Swiftie and I know she is not my friend, but it does have the whiff of watching a good friend who has a history of having questionable taste in men and getting a little too serious a little to fast, doing it yet again. It's like, girl, when are you going to grow up? The rest of us are past this phase. At least that's how I feel.

I like some of her music but wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but this guy seems different from some of her past boyfriends, no? I'd be worried about the celebrity aspect of it too -- seems harder on a couple when both are famous. But ... I think it's nice she has found someone who isn't afraid to hug her in public, at least for now. And they both have a goofball aspect to their personalities that matches up. I hope it works out for them. I also wouldn't be surprised if all the pressures eventually work against them. But I don't blame them for trying something different and giving it a shot.

Honestly? No, he doesn't. I think Joe Alwyn was an outlier but that Kelce is just a more amped version of a lot of similar patterns. Travis seems like a guy who has a big ego (Mayer, Jonas), is really fun to be around but maybe not super reliable with a tendency towards impulsive behavior (Styles), who maybe is enjoying the serendipitous fact that dating Taylor is very good for his career (Hiddleston, also potentially Alwyn though he never seemed to "enjoy" it), who has a built in family/friend group that Taylor is eager to adopt (Kennedy).

I think a lot of people are like "he's a JOCK instead of a musician or an actor, so this is DIFFERENT," and it just doesn't look that different to me. I think it feels different to fans because Kelce just happens to have a job that enables Taylor to visibly show up to cheer him on once a week for several months, which feeds a very specific kind of interest in Taylor's relationships. It's different in quality than being spotted at a boyfriend's show (concerts are not televised, so getting spotted at a concert relies on eagle eyed fans and photographers, instead of a major broadcast network training a camera on your suite during a live broadcast) or showing up to his film premier (isn't going to happen every weekend for several consecutive months).

But Kelce himself? I think it's more of the same. This is not some big departure for Swift, it's more of a return to form post Joe (since Healy was a pretty swift bust).

You are citing to Swift's relationships with Jonas, Styles, Kennedy, and Hiddleston above. Did any of those even last for some significant period of time? I know there are songs or whatever but many of those happened when she was very young, before she even knew what a real relationship was like. Her relationship with the DJ lasted a while, and Alwyn, and Mayer is notable because (from her song!) it seemed physically significant. But you're listing off these other dates when I suspect maybe in the end they weren't that significant to her life, as though they should be sounding boards for this six month relationship she's having now as a 35-whatever year old.

I've heard some of his podcasts with his brother. He seems funny, and way less problematic and more grounded than Mayer, though I haven't listened to more than a few minutes so let me know if that's wrong. I see what you're saying about some friend doing the same wrong thing over and over, but the most significant relationships of her adult life were alwyn and the DJ, no -- and this is really different from those.

I mean I just said that Kelce seems different than Alwyn.

But I also think you are imposing a lot of expectations on a relationship that is *at most* six months old. Like yes, she's a little older. But she was "a little older" when she dated Matt Healy and that was frankly messy and a little embarassing. She's been seeing this guy for maybe 6 months, during a time when she has been touring globally and he is in the middle of a football season that really limits both his free time and ability to travel while also locking him down to KC. Sure, she's gone all in on his friends and family but, again, we've seen this before -- she also got VERY serious with Conor Kennedy really quickly and was very into his family.

You are going hard on "she's older now, this is different." But her behavior and the nature of this relationship does not seem different from the ones she had when she was younger, pre-Alwyn. She has certain tendencies and they are showing themselves. It has never worked out before, I am skeptical it will work out here, once the bloom is off the rose, which will be soon.

I am "imposing a lot of expectations" but you are the one claiming to see a lot of similarities between Swift-Kelce and relationships of Swift's that have lasted barely any time at all and sometimes dated back to when she was a teenager (I googled it and she was apparently 17 when she dated Jonas and 22 when she dated both Kennedy and Styles - wtf?). Healy was more recent but google says he lasted less than a month.

Your whole "we've seen this before" attitude of familiarity with her life seems a little crazy to me. Granted, I just spent 3 minutes googling Swift and these other people, but you seem really invested in the romantic life of someone who just seems happy right now, even though they just had a bunch of explicit but fake AI photos blasted over the internet and are constantly subject to the scrutiny of ... people like us. I think you're being pretty hard on her with this "It has never worked out before, I am skeptical it will work out here, once the bloom is off the rose, which will be quite soon" - sheesh. I'm not a real "swiftie" or whatever, but I do admire her songwriting ability and her lyrics, and comments like yours make me think that this is why we can't have nice things.

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Anonymous wrote:I just googled something I read on here that I thought was an exaggeration, but omg, she really did buy a house across the street from her boyfriend's family's Hyannis house while she was dating him in Hyannis that summer. Can you imagine your girlfriend of 9-10 weeks buying a house across from you? It totally matches with how she seems so overtly head over heels with Travis, acting like they were soulmates and destined to be together forever starting from like the 4 week mark in their relationship.

OMG and then they broke up like a month later and she sold it like 5 months after that, before the next summer season hahahhaha omg

Yes, it is very cringe. I also think this relationship bears a lot of similarity to the summer fling she had with Tom Hiddleston. She did a similar thing there where they would be photographed on dates or at family events, and the photos would look like she'd had stylist pull items for a press event only the press event is "romantic Italian getaway" or "4th of July gathering in Nantucket":



This relationship lasted 3 months. Honestly, some of the photo opps and the progression of rumors are so similar that even I sometimes wonder if these are contract relationships constructed by PR people to promote careers. But really I just think Taylor has some very set patterns. She LOVES the part of relationships that attract a lot of attention. I'm not even talking about the press or fans, I think this is common in a lot of women who love parading around a new boyfriend, love being engaged, love a wedding... but don't really love the part of a relationship where no one else really cares anymore except the two of you, and things can be boring, and you no longer have the thrill of early dates, meeting the parents, your friends giggling over him and the two of you together, etc. I don't think she likes that aspect of relationships.

Same exact template. Also a 100% fake relationship.

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Anonymous wrote:She owns tons of real estate, and does not reside in the majority of it. Buying a home near the Kennedy guy was more about amassing real estate.

Then why did she also buy a castle right next to that other british boyfriend

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You Taylor Haters are just jealous. Or mediocre white men.

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Anonymous wrote:I just googled something I read on here that I thought was an exaggeration, but omg, she really did buy a house across the street from her boyfriend's family's Hyannis house while she was dating him in Hyannis that summer. Can you imagine your girlfriend of 9-10 weeks buying a house across from you? It totally matches with how she seems so overtly head over heels with Travis, acting like they were soulmates and destined to be together forever starting from like the 4 week mark in their relationship.

OMG and then they broke up like a month later and she sold it like 5 months after that, before the next summer season hahahhaha omg

Yes, it is very cringe. I also think this relationship bears a lot of similarity to the summer fling she had with Tom Hiddleston. She did a similar thing there where they would be photographed on dates or at family events, and the photos would look like she'd had stylist pull items for a press event only the press event is "romantic Italian getaway" or "4th of July gathering in Nantucket":



This relationship lasted 3 months. Honestly, some of the photo opps and the progression of rumors are so similar that even I sometimes wonder if these are contract relationships constructed by PR people to promote careers. But really I just think Taylor has some very set patterns. She LOVES the part of relationships that attract a lot of attention. I'm not even talking about the press or fans, I think this is common in a lot of women who love parading around a new boyfriend, love being engaged, love a wedding... but don't really love the part of a relationship where no one else really cares anymore except the two of you, and things can be boring, and you no longer have the thrill of early dates, meeting the parents, your friends giggling over him and the two of you together, etc. I don't think she likes that aspect of relationships.

Same exact template. Also a 100% fake relationship.

It is weird to me how similar they are (I mean the relationships). I wound up following the Swift-Hiddleston relationship closely because I was sick that summer (like in and out of urgent care and several hospital stays) and I read gossip blogs and celeb magazines daily all summer to keep my mind off being sick. The whole thing was super entertaining and interesting, and I like Hiddleston (at the time he had a series coming out, The Night Manager, that I also remember watching during that time) and Swift. The whole things started at the Met Gala in May, they were super involved all summer. Every week or so they'd do some other summer vacation activity together and it would always seem very aspirational -- the trip to Italy, July 4th on Nantucket I think, and I believe there were "meet the parents" trips for both of them. There were engagement rumors and he met all her friends (there was this hilarious series of paparazzi shots of him at the beach with Taylor and, like, Karlie Kloss and the Haim sisters, and everyone was tall, skinny, and pale). And then come September, they broke up and it was like it never happened.

This just feels eerily similar to that, like the timing (so perfectly timed to football season, while also seeming like a really weird time for him to start a new relationship) and when and where they get "caught" by paparazzi. The rumors about how happy she is and how he might be the one. The families/friends all playing a little bit coy.

I'm not mad at it, but I remember during and after the Hiddleston fling feeling like it pretty much had to have been a set up by their publicity teams, especially with the timing being useful for him. I think they probably hit it off but were set up by PR and knew going in "well this would be advantageous if we dated." I get the same vibe from the Kelce thing only much more so.

I'm not going to say "fake relationship" because I think there is mutual like. But I do think "PR set up" for sure. Which I don't think is true of all Taylor's relationships. But I think it's been true of some of them, and this one definitely has that scent.

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She behaves like a 12 year old girl with her first boyfriend.

I think it is embarrassing for a woman in her mid-30s to act like this.

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Anonymous wrote:She owns tons of real estate, and does not reside in the majority of it. Buying a home near the Kennedy guy was more about amassing real estate.

Uh, she sold it very quickly after they broke up. And for not much more than she bought it for, plus she did extensive renovations to it after she bought it. She basically never spent any time there at all and it was not a very lucrative deal (especially compared to what she could have done with her money in that time).

It 100% appeared that she bought it to be close to his family and then sold it when they broke up, and was not a tactical financial decision.

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Anonymous wrote:She behaves like a 12 year old girl with her first boyfriend.

I think it is embarrassing for a woman in her mid-30s to act like this.

It feels so effortful, and I can't figure out who she's doing it for. Him? His family? Her friends? The media? Fans? I feel bad for her that she feels she has to perform in her private life in this way. She has so much money and her career/legacy is secure. But this stuff comes off as incredibly desperate and small.

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There's no getting past that she looks like a clown. I feel kind of sorry for her in a Justin Bieber kind of way.

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Anonymous wrote:There's no getting past that she looks like a clown. I feel kind of sorry for her in a Justin Bieber kind of way.

Show us your pic, please. I am DYING to see you!

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Anonymous wrote:Buying a house next to the Kennedy kid after 5 minutes of dating was cringe, but I actually think he’s the closest thing to the kind of guy (or gal, don’t @ me) she eventually settles down with. It will be somebody wealthy and connected, but not another celebrity.

I've always assumed she'd wind up with some kind of finance/business guy, too. Maybe doing something art-adjacent (producer, specializing in art finance, something like that). I definitely see her with someone from money, not just someone who is now rich or successful.

I also think she needs to be with someone who is essentially so confident in his self-worth that fame is dull to him. Not that he hates it -- he has to be happy to walk a red carpet or a premiere and stand they're looking proud while Taylor does his thing. But I think she needs someone who thinks fame is kind of silly and almost beneath him. Kind of like the husbands of Salma Hayek or Julia Louis-Dreyfus. Or Lisa Kudrow. Those guys truly do not care.

Hmm, maybe she needs a foreigner.

Aspie guys don’t care. About anything.

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Anonymous wrote:She behaves like a 12 year old girl with her first boyfriend.

I think it is embarrassing for a woman in her mid-30s to act like this.

Exactly what my 80 year old parents said.