2030 Girls Lacrosse

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Anonymous wrote:You say it’s a major red flag (for what?) and diminishes the team’s standards, yet you just named 2 of the perennial top clubs in the nation. In 2025 those were the top 2 and 3 clubs in the nation. Their teams are very often #1, 2 or 3 in the country. I don’t get what’s diminished or the red flag.

I could see people thinking out of principle they should stick with their local talent, as part of a level playing field. But honestly there’s so much that’s not level beyond a fly in.

Exactly. And from what I understand, the fly-ins often make plenty of practices. Those elite programs attract top talent because they consistently win and their girls play at their dream schools. In order to keep that going, they take the top players from anywhere.

Sounds like an elite National team.

You can label it any way you want, but the formula is obviously working. Also, it’s not like half the team are fly-ins. I believe SW has one, and I think that neither m&d or HG have any (yet). For the 29s, i dont think HG or SW have any, and I think m&d only has 2.

Both M&D and Heros 2030 teams have fly ins from the west coast.

Was unaware, thought they were both still all local. But my point remains, it’s not half of the team.

Who said it was half the team?

Someone said “it’s like an elite national team,” which reasonable posters know means a collection of talent from all over the country. I stated that it is typically only a few kids, so not really a “national team” situation at all. If it was, half, or more, of the team would be from out of state. Got it?

You also stated it was only Skywalkers. Multiple reasonable observers of the 2030 teams had to help educate you.

Lol, ok dork. As seen by the recent post on local teams “not being able to develop local talent,” someone is trying to make it seem like m&d, heros, and sw are only successful bc of fly-ins and that is simply not true. I know enough to know that while it does happen, it isn’t common and most teams that around here that do it have one or two out of state girls.

What you’re experiencing is envy. These posters know their kids won’t make M&D or HG, so they need excuses for why those programs are better. So the two best teams in the area are successful, but not doing it the moral and just way like capital or whatever team their kid will be joining. It’s the same as when teams from here beat LI teams and the LI parents whine that all of our girls are hold backs.

If sourcing from the west coast is the only way to stay competitive and beat the NY teams seems MD isn’t the hotbed it used to be.

Our team got a reach out from an interested out of stater. I’m sure exposure is a thing (though this team was not near recruitment age) but it sounded like they legitimately wanted better competition and teammates do their daughter. She needed to play a few years up in her hotbed state to have comparable skill around/against her and that wasn’t ideal.

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If you live in this area, you should be grateful of the advantages we have. People complain about driving a couple hours to a tournament. Well that's better/cheaper than flying into one.

Not to mention we have the best NGLL division with a full stack of teams.

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Anonymous wrote:You say it’s a major red flag (for what?) and diminishes the team’s standards, yet you just named 2 of the perennial top clubs in the nation. In 2025 those were the top 2 and 3 clubs in the nation. Their teams are very often #1, 2 or 3 in the country. I don’t get what’s diminished or the red flag.

I could see people thinking out of principle they should stick with their local talent, as part of a level playing field. But honestly there’s so much that’s not level beyond a fly in.

Exactly. And from what I understand, the fly-ins often make plenty of practices. Those elite programs attract top talent because they consistently win and their girls play at their dream schools. In order to keep that going, they take the top players from anywhere.

Sounds like an elite National team.

You can label it any way you want, but the formula is obviously working. Also, it’s not like half the team are fly-ins. I believe SW has one, and I think that neither m&d or HG have any (yet). For the 29s, i dont think HG or SW have any, and I think m&d only has 2.

Both M&D and Heros 2030 teams have fly ins from the west coast.

Was unaware, thought they were both still all local. But my point remains, it’s not half of the team.

Who said it was half the team?

Someone said “it’s like an elite national team,” which reasonable posters know means a collection of talent from all over the country. I stated that it is typically only a few kids, so not really a “national team” situation at all. If it was, half, or more, of the team would be from out of state. Got it?

You also stated it was only Skywalkers. Multiple reasonable observers of the 2030 teams had to help educate you.

Lol, ok dork. As seen by the recent post on local teams “not being able to develop local talent,” someone is trying to make it seem like m&d, heros, and sw are only successful bc of fly-ins and that is simply not true. I know enough to know that while it does happen, it isn’t common and most teams that around here that do it have one or two out of state girls.

What you’re experiencing is envy. These posters know their kids won’t make M&D or HG, so they need excuses for why those programs are better. So the two best teams in the area are successful, but not doing it the moral and just way like capital or whatever team their kid will be joining. It’s the same as when teams from here beat LI teams and the LI parents whine that all of our girls are hold backs.

If sourcing from the west coast is the only way to stay competitive and beat the NY teams seems MD isn’t the hotbed it used to be.

Our team got a reach out from an interested out of stater. I’m sure exposure is a thing (though this team was not near recruitment age) but it sounded like they legitimately wanted better competition and teammates do their daughter. She needed to play a few years up in her hotbed state to have comparable skill around/against her and that wasn’t ideal.

This is what it is right here. It’s not that Maryland all of a sudden sucks at developing lacrosse players and needs to bring in talent from elsewhere to survive, it’s OOS families who want to play with and against the best. And it is usually just 1-2 girls, it isn’t some army of OOS’ers propping up our teams.

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Anonymous wrote:If you live in this area, you should be grateful of the advantages we have. People complain about driving a couple hours to a tournament. Well that's better/cheaper than flying into one.

Not to mention we have the best NGLL division with a full stack of teams.

Agreed. The NGLL midatlantic is such an advantage for our girls moving into HS. My sorority sister’s kid played for a team in the IAAM and said that those games were intense but the NGLL games prepared her for it.

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Excuse my typos. My post two above meant to say she had to play up in her non-hotbed state.

Yes we are so fortunate to be in this incredible hotbed. Where I live in Maryland, I could drive 45 mins max for 4 clubs that are in the top 20. As for teams, in our age group (much younger than 30), there are probably 5-6 teams that are in the tippy top echelon of play in the nation within a 45-min drive.

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A friend from another state (in the center of the country) told me that our good ‘34/‘35 teams are better than their teams in the ‘33-‘31 age range, and how incredible it is that we have not just one team in these ages locally that is good but many.

I’m curious to see what happens as lacrosse keeps growing locally. Tryouts for the youngest ages are getting huge. Developmental programs are getting huge. I assume that means a bit more parity among local clubs.

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Anonymous wrote:Sandstorm is this weekend. Looks like a couple local teams are flying out. YJ Babst is not attending this year so maybe some locals can make brackets.

Fly across the country to play the team from next door? Good luck to your girls and your bank accounts.

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Anonymous wrote:Sandstorm is this weekend. Looks like a couple local teams are flying out. YJ Babst is not attending this year so maybe some locals can make brackets.

Not good for YJ retaining top spot if they don’t get double digit blowouts from West coast squads.

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Geography has a ton to do with the success of Hero’s & M&D. Each can pull within 6 counties or more, reasonably.

Add in the hotbed part and its recipe for success.

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There are plenty of clubs that have that same geographical advantage and aren’t Hero’s and M&D.

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Anonymous wrote:There are plenty of clubs that have that same geographical advantage and aren’t Hero’s and M&D.

Sure, because they don't have the brand or history those have.

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Anonymous wrote:You say it’s a major red flag (for what?) and diminishes the team’s standards, yet you just named 2 of the perennial top clubs in the nation. In 2025 those were the top 2 and 3 clubs in the nation. Their teams are very often #1, 2 or 3 in the country. I don’t get what’s diminished or the red flag.

I could see people thinking out of principle they should stick with their local talent, as part of a level playing field. But honestly there’s so much that’s not level beyond a fly in.

Exactly. And from what I understand, the fly-ins often make plenty of practices. Those elite programs attract top talent because they consistently win and their girls play at their dream schools. In order to keep that going, they take the top players from anywhere.

Sounds like an elite National team.

You can label it any way you want, but the formula is obviously working. Also, it’s not like half the team are fly-ins. I believe SW has one, and I think that neither m&d or HG have any (yet). For the 29s, i dont think HG or SW have any, and I think m&d only has 2.

Both M&D and Heros 2030 teams have fly ins from the west coast.

Was unaware, thought they were both still all local. But my point remains, it’s not half of the team.

Who said it was half the team?

Someone said “it’s like an elite national team,” which reasonable posters know means a collection of talent from all over the country. I stated that it is typically only a few kids, so not really a “national team” situation at all. If it was, half, or more, of the team would be from out of state. Got it?

You also stated it was only Skywalkers. Multiple reasonable observers of the 2030 teams had to help educate you.

Lol, ok dork. As seen by the recent post on local teams “not being able to develop local talent,” someone is trying to make it seem like m&d, heros, and sw are only successful bc of fly-ins and that is simply not true. I know enough to know that while it does happen, it isn’t common and most teams that around here that do it have one or two out of state girls.

What you’re experiencing is envy. These posters know their kids won’t make M&D or HG, so they need excuses for why those programs are better. So the two best teams in the area are successful, but not doing it the moral and just way like capital or whatever team their kid will be joining. It’s the same as when teams from here beat LI teams and the LI parents whine that all of our girls are hold backs.

If sourcing from the west coast is the only way to stay competitive and beat the NY teams seems MD isn’t the hotbed it used to be.

Our team got a reach out from an interested out of stater. I’m sure exposure is a thing (though this team was not near recruitment age) but it sounded like they legitimately wanted better competition and teammates do their daughter. She needed to play a few years up in her hotbed state to have comparable skill around/against her and that wasn’t ideal.

This is what it is right here. It’s not that Maryland all of a sudden sucks at developing lacrosse players and needs to bring in talent from elsewhere to survive, it’s OOS families who want to play with and against the best. And it is usually just 1-2 girls, it isn’t some army of OOS’ers propping up our teams.

Or … if Maryland was dripping with talent MD based clubs wouldn’t need to source west coast players at all.

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Anonymous wrote:You say it’s a major red flag (for what?) and diminishes the team’s standards, yet you just named 2 of the perennial top clubs in the nation. In 2025 those were the top 2 and 3 clubs in the nation. Their teams are very often #1, 2 or 3 in the country. I don’t get what’s diminished or the red flag.

I could see people thinking out of principle they should stick with their local talent, as part of a level playing field. But honestly there’s so much that’s not level beyond a fly in.

Exactly. And from what I understand, the fly-ins often make plenty of practices. Those elite programs attract top talent because they consistently win and their girls play at their dream schools. In order to keep that going, they take the top players from anywhere.

Sounds like an elite National team.

You can label it any way you want, but the formula is obviously working. Also, it’s not like half the team are fly-ins. I believe SW has one, and I think that neither m&d or HG have any (yet). For the 29s, i dont think HG or SW have any, and I think m&d only has 2.

Both M&D and Heros 2030 teams have fly ins from the west coast.

Was unaware, thought they were both still all local. But my point remains, it’s not half of the team.

Who said it was half the team?

Someone said “it’s like an elite national team,” which reasonable posters know means a collection of talent from all over the country. I stated that it is typically only a few kids, so not really a “national team” situation at all. If it was, half, or more, of the team would be from out of state. Got it?

You also stated it was only Skywalkers. Multiple reasonable observers of the 2030 teams had to help educate you.

Lol, ok dork. As seen by the recent post on local teams “not being able to develop local talent,” someone is trying to make it seem like m&d, heros, and sw are only successful bc of fly-ins and that is simply not true. I know enough to know that while it does happen, it isn’t common and most teams that around here that do it have one or two out of state girls.

What you’re experiencing is envy. These posters know their kids won’t make M&D or HG, so they need excuses for why those programs are better. So the two best teams in the area are successful, but not doing it the moral and just way like capital or whatever team their kid will be joining. It’s the same as when teams from here beat LI teams and the LI parents whine that all of our girls are hold backs.

If sourcing from the west coast is the only way to stay competitive and beat the NY teams seems MD isn’t the hotbed it used to be.

Our team got a reach out from an interested out of stater. I’m sure exposure is a thing (though this team was not near recruitment age) but it sounded like they legitimately wanted better competition and teammates do their daughter. She needed to play a few years up in her hotbed state to have comparable skill around/against her and that wasn’t ideal.

This is what it is right here. It’s not that Maryland all of a sudden sucks at developing lacrosse players and needs to bring in talent from elsewhere to survive, it’s OOS families who want to play with and against the best. And it is usually just 1-2 girls, it isn’t some army of OOS’ers propping up our teams.

Or … if Maryland was dripping with talent MD based clubs wouldn’t need to source west coast players at all.

It is dripping with talent, dummy. Just because a handful of OOS girls play their way onto a handful of MD teams, that doesn’t mean that the state isn’t producing talent. We’ve identified what, 3 teams that have 3 OOS kids in the entire 2030 Maryland landscape, right? The point of teams like M&D and Heros is to put the best teams forward, produce results that will keep the train running, and get girls into awesome colleges; it isn’t to specifically showcase in state talent and they take the best players from everywhere.

And to another poster’s point, YJ takes OOS girls all the time, is LI no longer a hotbed? Mouthbreather take.

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This area is flushed with talent. Let's not be naive and think all the best players will come from here. Best players in the last few years, North and Scane, are from non-hotbeds.

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Number of Baltimore-area players on top 5 teams:

UNC - 2 / 36 (6%)
BC - 2 / 32 (6%)
NW - 2 / 39 (5%)
Stanford - 5 / 34 (15%)
Florida - 7 / 40 (18%)

Average - Baltimore-area players make up 10% of top 5 program rosters