Fairfax County Double Murder

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the gun(s) were part of the role play plan.

Do you think Joe was in on the part of the plan where BB arrives home to "save" his wife? If yes, that would be easy to prove because it would be in the messages sent between the CB account and Joe. If no, then CB would need to agree to a plan where she lured a stranger with a knife to her house to have her unarmed husband arrive to save her.

I think BB didn't know about Joe. The AP catches CB/Joe and calls BB. BB arrives and confronts them. Joe stabs CB, BB shots Joe, AP watches. While BB is trying to save CB, AP shots Joe

Now why the second gun? Maybe BB was trained to never turn his service weapon over to anyone so he asks AP to grab the second gun.
Why is Joe referred to as a victim? Because he was invited to the house and asked to bring a knife. He was shot while incapacitated on the floor
Why did LE question if CB was the one who used the account? Because friends and family believe it would be out of character for her to engage in sex fantasies with a stranger, especially involving a knife. I think a lot of families and friends would be surprised by what goes on behind closed doors.

This is all speculation but I can now see a situation where it all fits together after the new facts were revealed this week.

I'll dispute what you wrote in the bolded section. The family and friends didn't raise objections on character grounds, but on the grounds that the actual communications didn't sound at all like Christine's 'voice'. We each have a 'voice,' a way of writing in texts and emails and letters and essays etc. Those of our friends and family who communicate with us regularly get very much used to how we 'speak' via those written communications and it is very difficult for someone else to mimic the voice of another in such settings. I've seen plenty of Datelines where someone tried to text as someone else and friends and family became suspicious because it didn't sound right. As a former writing instructor, I've had students who tried to pass off someone else's writing as their own and failed because I intentionally gave my student in class writing exercises so I could become familiar with their authentic writing 'voice.'

This. Good example re: students too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I think BB didn't know about Joe.

Investigators, experienced LE and prosecutors strongly disagree with you.

Joe told his friend he had met a couple and was starting a c*ck relationship with them. So, BB would be the key c*ck there. JR thought it was about sex BB and CB agreed to, CB thought it was about sex BB wanted her to have but BB wanted a man in the house as a fall guy and for him to engage in behaviors that would make him easy to smear. Rough sex dude from Fe&tlife was a simple way to order one up.

He trained AP to shoot a gun and bought a second gun for a reason, to get her silence. All of this played out over MONTHS as he set the lure and trap.

They swapped out their phones days before the planned lure because there was incriminating evidence on them. He's trained in criminal electronic forensics after all.

Then they got the blood cleaned up and moved AP into CB's side of the bed, CB's side of the closet and swapped out the photos in the frames. They went to see FOB and to NYC and to dinner and for drinks, not really grief stricken or traumatized.

Joe told people where he would be. He has no history of harming women. He had no motive. BB and AP wanted CB unalive and out of the way.

You are completely insane. Obviously someone close to that psycho killer Joe. I’m sorry whoever he was to you turned out to be a murderer.

DP here but the new information that someone posted earlier puts a lot of doubt on the theories being posted here, not to mention that all this stuff about JR being lured into some sort of situation is based on something an anonymous "friend" of his said on reddit. That's the only thing I've heard about JR meeting with the couple and doing things for the sake of BB. The other things I've read (like from LE and the trails) have all said that CB is the one who spoke to JR and don't mention BB at all. So excuse me for not believing your theories based solely on ONE Reddit post that has not been verified. I don't know what happened and agree it's entirely plausible that BB and the au pair were the ones who planned and executed these murders, but we just don't know and some of the theories on here ignoring what was put forth as FACT in a court of law are also quite insane.

[Anonymous]

I knew Christine from working with her and she was a planner- meticulous and very detail oriented. *If* she was going to plan something like this- she would not have left things up to chance/possibly have her daughter come back home. Absolutely NO CHANCE. She adored that little girl and would never ever have done anything that would ever possibly endanger her.

[Anonymous]

Hmmm...why find the claims of AP's attorney the most credible, rather than common sense or the beliefs of LE and prosecutors?

Why dismiss the teaching AP to shoot, purchase of 2nd gun, switch of their cells 4 days before, moving her into master bedroom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LtaideNrdQ

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew Christine from working with her and she was a planner- meticulous and very detail oriented. *If* she was going to plan something like this- she would not have left things up to chance/possibly have her daughter come back home. Absolutely NO CHANCE. She adored that little girl and would never ever have done anything that would ever possibly endanger her.

Christine bought tickets for them to go to the zoo. She had no idea about BB's and AP's plan. She thought DD and AP were on their way to DC.

It was AP and BB who buy their own admission brought the child into what they considered a dangerous home invasion situation. And who planned to commit a double homicide with the child in the house. Then subbed AP in for mommy and cut off 1/2 her extended family and her very beloved former AP. None of that was done by CB.

[Anonymous]

by their own admission

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I knew Christine from working with her and she was a planner- meticulous and very detail oriented. *If* she was going to plan something like this- she would not have left things up to chance/possibly have her daughter come back home. Absolutely NO CHANCE. She adored that little girl and would never ever have done anything that would ever possibly endanger her.

But if she wasn’t in on it, why was she (reportedly) naked? Isn’t it possible she thought she was in the clear with both her husband and child out of the house?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't think the gun(s) were part of the role play plan.

Do you think Joe was in on the part of the plan where BB arrives home to "save" his wife? If yes, that would be easy to prove because it would be in the messages sent between the CB account and Joe. If no, then CB would need to agree to a plan where she lured a stranger with a knife to her house to have her unarmed husband arrive to save her.

I think BB didn't know about Joe. The AP catches CB/Joe and calls BB. BB arrives and confronts them. Joe stabs CB, BB shots Joe, AP watches. While BB is trying to save CB, AP shots Joe

Now why the second gun? Maybe BB was trained to never turn his service weapon over to anyone so he asks AP to grab the second gun.
Why is Joe referred to as a victim? Because he was invited to the house and asked to bring a knife. He was shot while incapacitated on the floor
Why did LE question if CB was the one who used the account? Because friends and family believe it would be out of character for her to engage in sex fantasies with a stranger, especially involving a knife. I think a lot of families and friends would be surprised by what goes on behind closed doors.

This is all speculation but I can now see a situation where it all fits together after the new facts were revealed this week.

I'll dispute what you wrote in the bolded section. The family and friends didn't raise objections on character grounds, but on the grounds that the actual communications didn't sound at all like Christine's 'voice'. We each have a 'voice,' a way of writing in texts and emails and letters and essays etc. Those of our friends and family who communicate with us regularly get very much used to how we 'speak' via those written communications and it is very difficult for someone else to mimic the voice of another in such settings. I've seen plenty of Datelines where someone tried to text as someone else and friends and family became suspicious because it didn't sound right. As a former writing instructor, I've had students who tried to pass off someone else's writing as their own and failed because I intentionally gave my student in class writing exercises so I could become familiar with their authentic writing 'voice.'

This. Good example re: students too.

+1 My sister is always able to tell when I post something on DCUM, even if I change a few details to try to stay anonymous.

[Anonymous]

There are two incredible coincidence in their story:

- EXACTLY that day Juliana forgot the kid’s lunch and came back EXACTLY when JR arrived.

- BB didn’t go straight to work, but stopped at a McDonalds EXACTLY that day.

If these was all truly a coincidence, I’d say that AP called BB to alert him that his wife was having a guy over, BB got there, saw everything, shot JR and stabbed CB out of rage. AP comes and sees everything and finishes JR in a heroic act to defend her bf.

But again, the whole thing doesn’t add up from any perspective I try to think about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are two incredible coincidence in their story:

- EXACTLY that day Juliana forgot the kid’s lunch and came back EXACTLY when JR arrived.

- BB didn’t go straight to work, but stopped at a McDonalds EXACTLY that day.

If these was all truly a coincidence, I’d say that AP called BB to alert him that his wife was having a guy over, BB got there, saw everything, shot JR and stabbed CB out of rage. AP comes and sees everything and finishes JR in a heroic act to defend her bf.

But again, the whole thing doesn’t add up from any perspective I try to think about.

This is certainly plausible, but if BB stabbed CB, with JR’s knife, there would evidence linking him to that act.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There are two incredible coincidence in their story:

- EXACTLY that day Juliana forgot the kid’s lunch and came back EXACTLY when JR arrived.

- BB didn’t go straight to work, but stopped at a McDonalds EXACTLY that day.

If these was all truly a coincidence, I’d say that AP called BB to alert him that his wife was having a guy over, BB got there, saw everything, shot JR and stabbed CB out of rage. AP comes and sees everything and finishes JR in a heroic act to defend her bf.

But again, the whole thing doesn’t add up from any perspective I try to think about.

Well I think he's scum but he stopped there often.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not out to get BB and AP. I hope he wasn’t involved, for the sake of his child. But to believe their version of events means everyone that day was making irrational and non-sensical decisions.

1. It just doesn’t make sense that JR would tell people about the rendezvous, spend time planning it, park his car in their driveway and then suddenly and inexplicably murder a woman.

2. I believe their story is that the AP saw a car in the driveway and believed it was a home invasion. At like 8 AM. Literally no one would assume “home invasion” on those facts. Maybe she heard sounds coming from the house. But then why on earth would you bring a CHILD into the house?!

3. Assuming CB really was into kinky stuff and extramarital sex and stuff, who does that at 8 am, at their residence?! And she plans the rendezvous with such detail but doesn’t ensure that her husband and Au pair are gone with no chance of coming home? I know she planned a zoo outing for the Au pair, but you’d think she would’ve firmly told the AP to stay away from the house between the hours of 8 and 10 AM. Because kids are fickle and sometimes they do come back to the house for stuff like a forgotten lunch, potty accident, etc etc. And wouldn’t she want some time before her sex boy shows up to get ready, once everyone is out of the house? Like even assuming she did set up the rendezvous, she’s still not acting like a rational person would in setting it up.

4. BB. So Au pair calls him, tells him there’s a strange car in the driveway and he decides to come home. If he was concerned enough to come home, why on earth wouldn’t he tell the AP to take the child somewhere else, like a park or a coffee shop? How was he ok with his child entering the residence with an unknown person there, if their story is they thought CB was in danger? And then his behavior after that day is not normal. Living in the house, moving the Au pair into the master bedroom with him, not cooperating with the police, paying for the Au pair’s attorney. Just doesn’t make sense.

DP adding on to #4
- Why didn't they call the police immediately when CB didn't answer the phone after a strange man was seen entering the home
- Why didn't BB tell AP to call the police when he saw JR in the room?
- Why did they hang up with 911 after seeing his wife naked, stabbing his wife...under what circumstance would they handle that on their own and not need immediate help??

[Anonymous]

Everyone has some sort of ring camera. Why didn't BB check his to see who entered his house and immediately call police for help while on his way home... after wife wouldn't answer the phone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I knew Christine from working with her and she was a planner- meticulous and very detail oriented. *If* she was going to plan something like this- she would not have left things up to chance/possibly have her daughter come back home. Absolutely NO CHANCE. She adored that little girl and would never ever have done anything that would ever possibly endanger her.

But if she wasn’t in on it, why was she (reportedly) naked? Isn’t it possible she thought she was in the clear with both her husband and child out of the house?

Likely BB was supposed to return as part of the "scene" consented to by all 3 parties, but yes, she believed AP and DD were on their way to DC having bought tickets for them to go to the zoo.

I believe that CB would never have endangered her DC. Unfortunately, BB and AP had no such scruples re: the welfare of DC or the lives of CB or JR.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’m not out to get BB and AP. I hope he wasn’t involved, for the sake of his child. But to believe their version of events means everyone that day was making irrational and non-sensical decisions.

1. It just doesn’t make sense that JR would tell people about the rendezvous, spend time planning it, park his car in their driveway and then suddenly and inexplicably murder a woman.

2. I believe their story is that the AP saw a car in the driveway and believed it was a home invasion. At like 8 AM. Literally no one would assume “home invasion” on those facts. Maybe she heard sounds coming from the house. But then why on earth would you bring a CHILD into the house?!

3. Assuming CB really was into kinky stuff and extramarital sex and stuff, who does that at 8 am, at their residence?! And she plans the rendezvous with such detail but doesn’t ensure that her husband and Au pair are gone with no chance of coming home? I know she planned a zoo outing for the Au pair, but you’d think she would’ve firmly told the AP to stay away from the house between the hours of 8 and 10 AM. Because kids are fickle and sometimes they do come back to the house for stuff like a forgotten lunch, potty accident, etc etc. And wouldn’t she want some time before her sex boy shows up to get ready, once everyone is out of the house? Like even assuming she did set up the rendezvous, she’s still not acting like a rational person would in setting it up.

4. BB. So Au pair calls him, tells him there’s a strange car in the driveway and he decides to come home. If he was concerned enough to come home, why on earth wouldn’t he tell the AP to take the child somewhere else, like a park or a coffee shop? How was he ok with his child entering the residence with an unknown person there, if their story is they thought CB was in danger? And then his behavior after that day is not normal. Living in the house, moving the Au pair into the master bedroom with him, not cooperating with the police, paying for the Au pair’s attorney. Just doesn’t make sense.

DP adding on to #4
- Why didn't they call the police immediately when CB didn't answer the phone after a strange man was seen entering the home
- Why didn't BB tell AP to call the police when he saw JR in the room?
- Why did they hang up with 911 after seeing his wife naked, stabbing his wife...under what circumstance would they handle that on their own and not need immediate help??

Not only did they not call police about an intruder, they brought the child in the home!!