Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

LOL. I didn't know that. I have to say, though, knowing what we know about the CEO, that's probably just a namesake tool. Safety really wasn't forefront of CEO. He called himself an innovator, I call him reckless egomaniac.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

LOL. I didn't know that. I have to say, though, knowing what we know about the CEO, that's probably just a namesake tool. Safety really wasn't forefront of CEO. He called himself an innovator, I call him reckless egomaniac.

Those are typically the same thing.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

LOL. I didn't know that. I have to say, though, knowing what we know about the CEO, that's probably just a namesake tool. Safety really wasn't forefront of CEO. He called himself an innovator, I call him reckless egomaniac.

Those are typically the same thing.

ha ha...yeah, good point.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

[PP]

np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

Yeah, I understood you fine. From engineering standpoint (I am an engineer myself), sounds like the CEO ignored just about everything he needed to do. I feel bad for the passengers. The vessel had no business going down that deep and they probably didn't know. There is no way in hell I'd step in that.

^100% same!

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There is a chat circulating on the interwebs that is supposedly a copy of the conversation between the submersible and the topside ship. In the convo, the CEO mentions hearing crackling coming from the aft twice and that some sort of alert system was sounding. He mentioned that he was descending too rapidly and had jettisoned the landing platform (but had trouble doing so initially) in an attempt to ascend. The ascent appeared to be going slowly and it also seemed he was having trouble with one of the power systems. At that point the conversation dies (around 9:54 a.m.). Obviously I have no idea if this conversation is legit or not.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a chat circulating on the interwebs that is supposedly a copy of the conversation between the submersible and the topside ship. In the convo, the CEO mentions hearing crackling coming from the aft twice and that some sort of alert system was sounding. He mentioned that he was descending too rapidly and had jettisoned the landing platform (but had trouble doing so initially) in an attempt to ascend. The ascent appeared to be going slowly and it also seemed he was having trouble with one of the power systems. At that point the conversation dies (around 9:54 a.m.). Obviously I have no idea if this conversation is legit or not.

I heard, like an other PP, that there were only signals or pings, not actually conversation. I guess this is so they could be, ya know, cool.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

[PP]

np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

His dad failed him. I don’t blame the kid.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

His dad failed him. I don’t blame the kid.

That’s harsh. Only person to blame is the CEO.

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Anonymous wrote:There is a chat circulating on the interwebs that is supposedly a copy of the conversation between the submersible and the topside ship. In the convo, the CEO mentions hearing crackling coming from the aft twice and that some sort of alert system was sounding. He mentioned that he was descending too rapidly and had jettisoned the landing platform (but had trouble doing so initially) in an attempt to ascend. The ascent appeared to be going slowly and it also seemed he was having trouble with one of the power systems. At that point the conversation dies (around 9:54 a.m.). Obviously I have no idea if this conversation is legit or not.

I heard, like an other PP, that there were only signals or pings, not actually conversation. I guess this is so they could be, ya know, cool.

Right, no idea. The convo appeared to be in text format (which is consistent with how the CEO explained the communication method used between the sub and the topside ship, and also consistent with videos of successful dives where you could see them communicating with the topside ship via some chat program on a laptop).

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If they were able to hear crackling/cracking it must have been terrifying.

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Anonymous wrote:If they were able to hear crackling/cracking it must have been terrifying.

Subs make all kinds of noise as they descend and pressure increases. If a leak happens, the water would enter the sub with enough force to cut steel. You would die so quickly you would not know what happened.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

FWIW, this is what the CEO said earlier. That they didn't need a lot of fancy safety equipment because if something went wrong at the bottom of the ocean, they wouldn't need rescuing. He knew the risks. As did the experienced people on the craft. The tourists maybe didn't.

One of the tourists was a child. Something tells me he had to depend on the adults to tell him it was safe.

Well, technically he was 19 and had to sign his own liability waiver.

Right because 19 year olds are the equivalent of 50 year old experienced adults and explorers.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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np - i think implosion is like popping a balloon - you will see small pieces but also large chunks. i wasn't surprised by large pieces they found. Implosion is different than explosion (like a bomb damage). When it pops, all are dead at that moment. Some pieces stay big, some in pieces.

I totally agree that explosions and implosions different.

I truly didn’t expect any remains….and I didn’t expect they’d recover such large pieces of the sub. I certainly hope they died instantly, but I am not as sure now. More so, I fear that they may have known they were in serious trouble in the minutes before.

Breaks my heart.

I wasn't there but I SERIOUSLY doubt they knew what was about to happen. I will use my balloon example again. If you were sitting inside of a huge balloon and it pops, would you feel anything? The moment it pops, you are under 6000 psi (that's like 2000 cars on top of 1meter by 1 meter plate, and you are under that plate), you are dead immediately - big pieces, small pieces, whatever pieces. If you step on a spider, would spider feel any?

No, no….I meant in the minutes before they may have heard sounds of the sub as it stressed against the water pressure. Or maybe there were audible warning signs that they were in trouble. It’s speculated that they were in ascent when they imploded.

Okay, again, we are all guessing here but... Under that much pressure, if any material failures occur, it will be very fast. It won't be like movies when they say "water is leaking, get the duct tape!!" If and any failure will have a very quick and violent consequences, again, due to the pressure. Now, did it have sensors that were designed to sense material fatigue/failures? It sure doesn't sound like it. I think CEO guy who had an engineering background was a terrible engineer. But I am happy to believe those folks didn't suffer at all.

I hope you’re right.

I suspect it did have some sort of warning sensor, though (since they were likely ascending before reaching the Titanic). Whether it was an audible type that the passengers heard will clearly remain a mystery. Anyway, that’s what I was referring to.

There were absolutely no sensors on that sh!tsub. There weren’t even any controls other than a knock off xbox controller. It was a carbon fiber pill box reinforced with questionably epoxied titanium with a couple of propellers and a window rated for (((1,400))) feet.

You're wrong about the sensors. They had, what they call, a Real Time hull health monitoring system.

Which would never have worked with carbon fiber

I guess? But OceanGate had enough confidence in it to tout it as a fail-safe measure in their documentation.