Travis and Taylor

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Anonymous wrote:she doesn't really seem like her age if that makes sense

https://twitter.com/tayvisnation/status/1751779290591453281

It does make sense and I totally agree. She seems young for her age. Maybe it’s her hair and makeup? Her giddy behavior? How attached she seems to female friends? She seems like she’s 22 not 34.

Took the words right out of my mouth. The giddiness and intensity of her female relationships at a fast pace is what I picked up on. She's an enigma for me. She's intelligent and business oriented but still seems emotionally stunted in candid moments.

Close friendships with women is now immature behavior? Seems completely normal to me at any age. Taylor’s friends are all around her age and have money to travel to these types of events.

NP and it’s not that they are close relationships but seem attached and intense. Like she’s known Brittany for 7 months and they are attached at the hip. That reminds me of when you go to college and latch on to friends quickly. But most people are 18 when that happens.

+1, the way she becomes friends with other women seems immature to me. I have known women like this, who become "besties" with someone they've hung out with a handful of times or will consider any women they know at all a "good friend." It comes off as shallow and false and IME usually is -- circumstances will change a little and suddenly it will be "her? Oh I barely know her."

That's probably the most obvious part this is all fake. She ain't besties or genuinely enjoying time with unemployed jersey-chasing bumpkins in Missouri. No chance. Look at her real friends; they're all worldly and sophisticated. And we're to believe she's having the time of her life with dumb bimbos married to dumb jocks in flyover country? lol

Taylor is having the time of her life hanging around Travis and his crew! It’s like she’s just one of the guys!

They might be the most real, authentic, caring, and at ease bunch of people she’s ever known closely.

Take it or leave it.

NP.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s a fake relationship, but I do wonder how much longer she’ll be able to get away with writing breakup songs. That’s all very relatable in one’s teens and 20s, but at some point, don’t even her most ardent fans feel like, “enough is enough, fix your picker, already”?

Well, it’s been working for J Lo for many years. I don’t think fans care that much, most people are used to celebrities messing up relationships left and right. It’s more rare for a celebrity to have a long marriage and much more common to have multiple relationships or divorces.

JLo isn't seen as a cool celebrity these days. She makes bad romantic movies and that's it.

I mean, I’m not a JO fan but she is successful and certainly gets a lot of attention paid on her. I’m not one of them but people are still going to tour and buying her music. She gets a ton of press she cure, but she gets it.

Madonna is the same, never really had a long-term relationship despite a few marriages. Plenty of people don’t care about these kind of things.

JLo has an acting career, her music is really not the focus of her celebrity at this point. No one sits around discussing her brilliance as a lyricist. No one cares. Her main job is showing up to awards shows with Ben, posting to social media, and making an occasional movie.

Madonna's always been very independent and unabashed about her attention-seeking, even when in relationships. She never played second fiddle to ANYONE. She's also received tons of criticism for it over the years but she DGAF. She just reinvents herself (again) and moves on. She became famous later than Taylor (in her 20s) and was always seen as an adult professional -- her parents didn't manage her career, she was never seen as an ingenue. There's always been a hardness to her, a sort of cravenness that she is up front about. Gwen Stefani is similar.

Taylor's full focus is music and her brand has remained pretty consistent over the years, and that brand is very young, romantic, and sweet. Reasonably, some of us are wondering how long it will hold up. This thing with Travis has been interesting because at a point when I think some of us thought she was going to pivot to a more mature, self-assured version of herself (the Eras tour has a lot of self-assuredness, Antihero is the most self-aware thing she's ever done, it feels like she's coming into her own in a new way), she made herself, very publicly, the adoring girlfriend of a guy who is less famous than her. Maybe it's really just emotionally driven -- she cares about him and his having fun. Good for her. From a career perspective, it seems like step backward and a little disappointing. She IS a role model to young women and it would have been cool to see her go about this in a different way that didn't require her to sort of subsume herself into his life the way she has.

I'm not some mega-Swiftie and I know she is not my friend, but it does have the whiff of watching a good friend who has a history of having questionable taste in men and getting a little too serious a little to fast, doing it yet again. It's like, girl, when are you going to grow up? The rest of us are past this phase. At least that's how I feel.

I like some of her music but wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but this guy seems different from some of her past boyfriends, no? I'd be worried about the celebrity aspect of it too -- seems harder on a couple when both are famous. But ... I think it's nice she has found someone who isn't afraid to hug her in public, at least for now. And they both have a goofball aspect to their personalities that matches up. I hope it works out for them. I also wouldn't be surprised if all the pressures eventually work against them. But I don't blame them for trying something different and giving it a shot.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s a fake relationship, but I do wonder how much longer she’ll be able to get away with writing breakup songs. That’s all very relatable in one’s teens and 20s, but at some point, don’t even her most ardent fans feel like, “enough is enough, fix your picker, already”?

Well, it’s been working for J Lo for many years. I don’t think fans care that much, most people are used to celebrities messing up relationships left and right. It’s more rare for a celebrity to have a long marriage and much more common to have multiple relationships or divorces.

JLo isn't seen as a cool celebrity these days. She makes bad romantic movies and that's it.

I mean, I’m not a JO fan but she is successful and certainly gets a lot of attention paid on her. I’m not one of them but people are still going to tour and buying her music. She gets a ton of press she cure, but she gets it.

Madonna is the same, never really had a long-term relationship despite a few marriages. Plenty of people don’t care about these kind of things.

JLo has an acting career, her music is really not the focus of her celebrity at this point. No one sits around discussing her brilliance as a lyricist. No one cares. Her main job is showing up to awards shows with Ben, posting to social media, and making an occasional movie.

Madonna's always been very independent and unabashed about her attention-seeking, even when in relationships. She never played second fiddle to ANYONE. She's also received tons of criticism for it over the years but she DGAF. She just reinvents herself (again) and moves on. She became famous later than Taylor (in her 20s) and was always seen as an adult professional -- her parents didn't manage her career, she was never seen as an ingenue. There's always been a hardness to her, a sort of cravenness that she is up front about. Gwen Stefani is similar.

Taylor's full focus is music and her brand has remained pretty consistent over the years, and that brand is very young, romantic, and sweet. Reasonably, some of us are wondering how long it will hold up. This thing with Travis has been interesting because at a point when I think some of us thought she was going to pivot to a more mature, self-assured version of herself (the Eras tour has a lot of self-assuredness, Antihero is the most self-aware thing she's ever done, it feels like she's coming into her own in a new way), she made herself, very publicly, the adoring girlfriend of a guy who is less famous than her. Maybe it's really just emotionally driven -- she cares about him and his having fun. Good for her. From a career perspective, it seems like step backward and a little disappointing. She IS a role model to young women and it would have been cool to see her go about this in a different way that didn't require her to sort of subsume herself into his life the way she has.

I'm not some mega-Swiftie and I know she is not my friend, but it does have the whiff of watching a good friend who has a history of having questionable taste in men and getting a little too serious a little to fast, doing it yet again. It's like, girl, when are you going to grow up? The rest of us are past this phase. At least that's how I feel.

I’ll admit to looking at the instagram account for her jets before it was shut down, and I was surprised how little time Taylor and Travis actually spent together. His schedule has virtually zero flexibility during the season, meaning the only way they see each other is when she flies to him. We’ll see if he joins her on tour when the season ends and watches her show every night.

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Travis: "I love you so much it isn't even funny"
Taylor responds: "I've never been this happy in my life...ever"

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s a fake relationship, but I do wonder how much longer she’ll be able to get away with writing breakup songs. That’s all very relatable in one’s teens and 20s, but at some point, don’t even her most ardent fans feel like, “enough is enough, fix your picker, already”?

Well, it’s been working for J Lo for many years. I don’t think fans care that much, most people are used to celebrities messing up relationships left and right. It’s more rare for a celebrity to have a long marriage and much more common to have multiple relationships or divorces.

JLo isn't seen as a cool celebrity these days. She makes bad romantic movies and that's it.

I mean, I’m not a JO fan but she is successful and certainly gets a lot of attention paid on her. I’m not one of them but people are still going to tour and buying her music. She gets a ton of press she cure, but she gets it.

Madonna is the same, never really had a long-term relationship despite a few marriages. Plenty of people don’t care about these kind of things.

JLo has an acting career, her music is really not the focus of her celebrity at this point. No one sits around discussing her brilliance as a lyricist. No one cares. Her main job is showing up to awards shows with Ben, posting to social media, and making an occasional movie.

Madonna's always been very independent and unabashed about her attention-seeking, even when in relationships. She never played second fiddle to ANYONE. She's also received tons of criticism for it over the years but she DGAF. She just reinvents herself (again) and moves on. She became famous later than Taylor (in her 20s) and was always seen as an adult professional -- her parents didn't manage her career, she was never seen as an ingenue. There's always been a hardness to her, a sort of cravenness that she is up front about. Gwen Stefani is similar.

Taylor's full focus is music and her brand has remained pretty consistent over the years, and that brand is very young, romantic, and sweet. Reasonably, some of us are wondering how long it will hold up. This thing with Travis has been interesting because at a point when I think some of us thought she was going to pivot to a more mature, self-assured version of herself (the Eras tour has a lot of self-assuredness, Antihero is the most self-aware thing she's ever done, it feels like she's coming into her own in a new way), she made herself, very publicly, the adoring girlfriend of a guy who is less famous than her. Maybe it's really just emotionally driven -- she cares about him and his having fun. Good for her. From a career perspective, it seems like step backward and a little disappointing. She IS a role model to young women and it would have been cool to see her go about this in a different way that didn't require her to sort of subsume herself into his life the way she has.

I'm not some mega-Swiftie and I know she is not my friend, but it does have the whiff of watching a good friend who has a history of having questionable taste in men and getting a little too serious a little to fast, doing it yet again. It's like, girl, when are you going to grow up? The rest of us are past this phase. At least that's how I feel.

I like some of her music but wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but this guy seems different from some of her past boyfriends, no? I'd be worried about the celebrity aspect of it too -- seems harder on a couple when both are famous. But ... I think it's nice she has found someone who isn't afraid to hug her in public, at least for now. And they both have a goofball aspect to their personalities that matches up. I hope it works out for them. I also wouldn't be surprised if all the pressures eventually work against them. But I don't blame them for trying something different and giving it a shot.

Honestly? No, he doesn't. I think Joe Alwyn was an outlier but that Kelce is just a more amped version of a lot of similar patterns. Travis seems like a guy who has a big ego (Mayer, Jonas), is really fun to be around but maybe not super reliable with a tendency towards impulsive behavior (Styles), who maybe is enjoying the serendipitous fact that dating Taylor is very good for his career (Hiddleston, also potentially Alwyn though he never seemed to "enjoy" it), who has a built in family/friend group that Taylor is eager to adopt (Kennedy).

I think a lot of people are like "he's a JOCK instead of a musician or an actor, so this is DIFFERENT," and it just doesn't look that different to me. I think it feels different to fans because Kelce just happens to have a job that enables Taylor to visibly show up to cheer him on once a week for several months, which feeds a very specific kind of interest in Taylor's relationships. It's different in quality than being spotted at a boyfriend's show (concerts are not televised, so getting spotted at a concert relies on eagle eyed fans and photographers, instead of a major broadcast network training a camera on your suite during a live broadcast) or showing up to his film premier (isn't going to happen every weekend for several consecutive months).

But Kelce himself? I think it's more of the same. This is not some big departure for Swift, it's more of a return to form post Joe (since Healy was a pretty swift bust).

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Travis: "I love you so much it isn't even funny"
Taylor responds: "I've never been this happy in my life...ever"

Literally all of this is scripted. Written like some teen romcom. Awful.

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Anonymous wrote:He just found out he was going to the Super Bowl, you’re not going to act your chill self.

This is like his 4th trip to the superbowl in 5 years. It's not a novelty. She is acting like she is his wife of 10 years who has seen him through thick and thin. She's his girlfriend of like what, 6 weeks. It's not her party. She needs to stop acting like a stage 5 clinger it's so embarassing.

Yeah, I'm sure he wasn't excited at all. But in this clip he seems pretty happy, especially when he sees his girlfriend of 6 MONTHS, who he can't let go of.

It looks more like a teen movie love story between a mean cheerleader and football captain. There is ZERO sexual chemistry between them. I wonder why him and his ex didn't work out…
This looks SO forced.

give it up weirdo. are you the anti-stan who harps on how "ick" he is?

He is ick. Look at his exes. All he dated was low class groupies.

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Travis: "I love you so much it isn't even funny"
Taylor responds: "I've never been this happy in my life...ever"

Literally all of this is scripted. Written like some teen romcom. Awful.

You love posting this.

And that’s not really what was said.

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Travis: "I love you so much it isn't even funny"
Taylor responds: "I've never been this happy in my life...ever"

Literally all of this is scripted. Written like some teen romcom. Awful.

like a bad hallmark movie

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Travis: "I love you so much it isn't even funny"
Taylor responds: "I've never been this happy in my life...ever"

What?

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Travis: "I love you so much it isn't even funny"
Taylor responds: "I've never been this happy in my life...ever"

Literally all of this is scripted. Written like some teen romcom. Awful.

What was that quote from?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s a fake relationship, but I do wonder how much longer she’ll be able to get away with writing breakup songs. That’s all very relatable in one’s teens and 20s, but at some point, don’t even her most ardent fans feel like, “enough is enough, fix your picker, already”?

Well, it’s been working for J Lo for many years. I don’t think fans care that much, most people are used to celebrities messing up relationships left and right. It’s more rare for a celebrity to have a long marriage and much more common to have multiple relationships or divorces.

JLo isn't seen as a cool celebrity these days. She makes bad romantic movies and that's it.

I mean, I’m not a JO fan but she is successful and certainly gets a lot of attention paid on her. I’m not one of them but people are still going to tour and buying her music. She gets a ton of press she cure, but she gets it.

Madonna is the same, never really had a long-term relationship despite a few marriages. Plenty of people don’t care about these kind of things.

JLo has an acting career, her music is really not the focus of her celebrity at this point. No one sits around discussing her brilliance as a lyricist. No one cares. Her main job is showing up to awards shows with Ben, posting to social media, and making an occasional movie.

Madonna's always been very independent and unabashed about her attention-seeking, even when in relationships. She never played second fiddle to ANYONE. She's also received tons of criticism for it over the years but she DGAF. She just reinvents herself (again) and moves on. She became famous later than Taylor (in her 20s) and was always seen as an adult professional -- her parents didn't manage her career, she was never seen as an ingenue. There's always been a hardness to her, a sort of cravenness that she is up front about. Gwen Stefani is similar.

Taylor's full focus is music and her brand has remained pretty consistent over the years, and that brand is very young, romantic, and sweet. Reasonably, some of us are wondering how long it will hold up. This thing with Travis has been interesting because at a point when I think some of us thought she was going to pivot to a more mature, self-assured version of herself (the Eras tour has a lot of self-assuredness, Antihero is the most self-aware thing she's ever done, it feels like she's coming into her own in a new way), she made herself, very publicly, the adoring girlfriend of a guy who is less famous than her. Maybe it's really just emotionally driven -- she cares about him and his having fun. Good for her. From a career perspective, it seems like step backward and a little disappointing. She IS a role model to young women and it would have been cool to see her go about this in a different way that didn't require her to sort of subsume herself into his life the way she has.

I'm not some mega-Swiftie and I know she is not my friend, but it does have the whiff of watching a good friend who has a history of having questionable taste in men and getting a little too serious a little to fast, doing it yet again. It's like, girl, when are you going to grow up? The rest of us are past this phase. At least that's how I feel.

I’ll admit to looking at the instagram account for her jets before it was shut down, and I was surprised how little time Taylor and Travis actually spent together. His schedule has virtually zero flexibility during the season, meaning the only way they see each other is when she flies to him. We’ll see if he joins her on tour when the season ends and watches her show every night.

Can you imagine watching the same 3 hour concert over and over and over again? OMG.

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Travis: "I love you so much it isn't even funny"
Taylor responds: "I've never been this happy in my life...ever"

So much for keeping the private aspect of the relationship private

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t think it’s a fake relationship, but I do wonder how much longer she’ll be able to get away with writing breakup songs. That’s all very relatable in one’s teens and 20s, but at some point, don’t even her most ardent fans feel like, “enough is enough, fix your picker, already”?

Well, it’s been working for J Lo for many years. I don’t think fans care that much, most people are used to celebrities messing up relationships left and right. It’s more rare for a celebrity to have a long marriage and much more common to have multiple relationships or divorces.

JLo isn't seen as a cool celebrity these days. She makes bad romantic movies and that's it.

I mean, I’m not a JO fan but she is successful and certainly gets a lot of attention paid on her. I’m not one of them but people are still going to tour and buying her music. She gets a ton of press she cure, but she gets it.

Madonna is the same, never really had a long-term relationship despite a few marriages. Plenty of people don’t care about these kind of things.

JLo has an acting career, her music is really not the focus of her celebrity at this point. No one sits around discussing her brilliance as a lyricist. No one cares. Her main job is showing up to awards shows with Ben, posting to social media, and making an occasional movie.

Madonna's always been very independent and unabashed about her attention-seeking, even when in relationships. She never played second fiddle to ANYONE. She's also received tons of criticism for it over the years but she DGAF. She just reinvents herself (again) and moves on. She became famous later than Taylor (in her 20s) and was always seen as an adult professional -- her parents didn't manage her career, she was never seen as an ingenue. There's always been a hardness to her, a sort of cravenness that she is up front about. Gwen Stefani is similar.

Taylor's full focus is music and her brand has remained pretty consistent over the years, and that brand is very young, romantic, and sweet. Reasonably, some of us are wondering how long it will hold up. This thing with Travis has been interesting because at a point when I think some of us thought she was going to pivot to a more mature, self-assured version of herself (the Eras tour has a lot of self-assuredness, Antihero is the most self-aware thing she's ever done, it feels like she's coming into her own in a new way), she made herself, very publicly, the adoring girlfriend of a guy who is less famous than her. Maybe it's really just emotionally driven -- she cares about him and his having fun. Good for her. From a career perspective, it seems like step backward and a little disappointing. She IS a role model to young women and it would have been cool to see her go about this in a different way that didn't require her to sort of subsume herself into his life the way she has.

I'm not some mega-Swiftie and I know she is not my friend, but it does have the whiff of watching a good friend who has a history of having questionable taste in men and getting a little too serious a little to fast, doing it yet again. It's like, girl, when are you going to grow up? The rest of us are past this phase. At least that's how I feel.

I like some of her music but wouldn't say I'm a huge fan, but this guy seems different from some of her past boyfriends, no? I'd be worried about the celebrity aspect of it too -- seems harder on a couple when both are famous. But ... I think it's nice she has found someone who isn't afraid to hug her in public, at least for now. And they both have a goofball aspect to their personalities that matches up. I hope it works out for them. I also wouldn't be surprised if all the pressures eventually work against them. But I don't blame them for trying something different and giving it a shot.

Honestly? No, he doesn't. I think Joe Alwyn was an outlier but that Kelce is just a more amped version of a lot of similar patterns. Travis seems like a guy who has a big ego (Mayer, Jonas), is really fun to be around but maybe not super reliable with a tendency towards impulsive behavior (Styles), who maybe is enjoying the serendipitous fact that dating Taylor is very good for his career (Hiddleston, also potentially Alwyn though he never seemed to "enjoy" it), who has a built in family/friend group that Taylor is eager to adopt (Kennedy).

I think a lot of people are like "he's a JOCK instead of a musician or an actor, so this is DIFFERENT," and it just doesn't look that different to me. I think it feels different to fans because Kelce just happens to have a job that enables Taylor to visibly show up to cheer him on once a week for several months, which feeds a very specific kind of interest in Taylor's relationships. It's different in quality than being spotted at a boyfriend's show (concerts are not televised, so getting spotted at a concert relies on eagle eyed fans and photographers, instead of a major broadcast network training a camera on your suite during a live broadcast) or showing up to his film premier (isn't going to happen every weekend for several consecutive months).

But Kelce himself? I think it's more of the same. This is not some big departure for Swift, it's more of a return to form post Joe (since Healy was a pretty swift bust).

You are citing to Swift's relationships with Jonas, Styles, Kennedy, and Hiddleston above. Did any of those even last for some significant period of time? I know there are songs or whatever but many of those happened when she was very young, before she even knew what a real relationship was like. Her relationship with the DJ lasted a while, and Alwyn, and Mayer is notable because (from her song!) it seemed physically significant. But you're listing off these other dates when I suspect maybe in the end they weren't that significant to her life, as though they should be sounding boards for this six month relationship she's having now as a 35-whatever year old.

I've heard some of his podcasts with his brother. He seems funny, and way less problematic and more grounded than Mayer, though I haven't listened to more than a few minutes so let me know if that's wrong. I see what you're saying about some friend doing the same wrong thing over and over, but the most significant relationships of her adult life were alwyn and the DJ, no -- and this is really different from those.