Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

At our DCPS school, the second-graders have a unit on bike-riding in PE every year that involves bringing dozens of bikes to the school and instructing the kids to ride them. So... every year, people in Washington, D.C., turn to WABA to help kids learn how to ride a bike.

That is an A+ fig leaf.

I have never heard of any parent relying on school to teach their kids to ride bikes but forcing kids to sit through a WABA presentation is an excellent way to pretend they are not a lobbying organization on the public dole.

Your kid probably went to one of the Ward 3 elementary schools and you likely bought your kid a $250 bike when they were 5.

Not everyone has that luxury. Get out of your bubble.

For thousands of DCPS students, this is where they learn to ride a bike.

No, it's not. It really isn't. I'm sorry. Also, I live in a neighborhood you'd be afraid to visit after 6pm.

Ya, I know how hard it is being surrounded by republicans in sundown areas.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

Have you heard of AAA? Or the NRA? I mean, would you expect a regional bike organization to not ask for insfratructure to make biking safer?

PP here. Yes, that's exactly my point. They are a lobbying group, which means this arrangement with the city where they government floats the lion's share of their entire budget is illegal.

No, it isn't. If they show the monies are not comingled, then it isn't illegal. Every non-profit in the city who gets money for programs does this. Seriously, you are barking up the wrong tree here and are way out of your league.

Do you think SOME or Martha's Table doesn't lobby for social services? Or any of the animal shelters lobbying for animal rights? It happens all the time and is totally legal, as long as proper tracking is in place.

Er, how would you feel if the federal government was paying the NRA millions of dollars to lobby Congress?

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

Have you heard of AAA? Or the NRA? I mean, would you expect a regional bike organization to not ask for insfratructure to make biking safer?

PP here. Yes, that's exactly my point. They are a lobbying group, which means this arrangement with the city where they government floats the lion's share of their entire budget is illegal.

No, it isn't. If they show the monies are not comingled, then it isn't illegal. Every non-profit in the city who gets money for programs does this. Seriously, you are barking up the wrong tree here and are way out of your league.

Do you think SOME or Martha's Table doesn't lobby for social services? Or any of the animal shelters lobbying for animal rights? It happens all the time and is totally legal, as long as proper tracking is in place.

Er, how would you feel if the federal government was paying the NRA millions of dollars to lobby Congress?

I would be upset about it. But I would also look at the NRA filings to ensure they were in compliance with the law before posting allegations on a message board.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

Have you heard of AAA? Or the NRA? I mean, would you expect a regional bike organization to not ask for insfratructure to make biking safer?

PP here. Yes, that's exactly my point. They are a lobbying group, which means this arrangement with the city where they government floats the lion's share of their entire budget is illegal.

No, it isn't. If they show the monies are not comingled, then it isn't illegal. Every non-profit in the city who gets money for programs does this. Seriously, you are barking up the wrong tree here and are way out of your league.

Do you think SOME or Martha's Table doesn't lobby for social services? Or any of the animal shelters lobbying for animal rights? It happens all the time and is totally legal, as long as proper tracking is in place.

Er, how would you feel if the federal government was paying the NRA millions of dollars to lobby Congress?

I would be upset about it. But I would also look at the NRA filings to ensure they were in compliance with the law before posting allegations on a message board.

WABA doesnt even pass the smell test.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

Pretty good indicator of how few people care about bike lanes

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

Have you heard of AAA? Or the NRA? I mean, would you expect a regional bike organization to not ask for insfratructure to make biking safer?

PP here. Yes, that's exactly my point. They are a lobbying group, which means this arrangement with the city where they government floats the lion's share of their entire budget is illegal.

You think the NRA doesn’t get public funding for running gun safety education programs? There is legally-mandated training provided by the NRA in several states: https://www.azmirror.com/2022/03/23/nra-gun-safety-class-for-schools-one-step-closer-to-becoming-law/

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

At our DCPS school, the second-graders have a unit on bike-riding in PE every year that involves bringing dozens of bikes to the school and instructing the kids to ride them. So... every year, people in Washington, D.C., turn to WABA to help kids learn how to ride a bike.

That is an A+ fig leaf.

I have never heard of any parent relying on school to teach their kids to ride bikes but forcing kids to sit through a WABA presentation is an excellent way to pretend they are not a lobbying organization on the public dole.

Your kid probably went to one of the Ward 3 elementary schools and you likely bought your kid a $250 bike when they were 5.

Not everyone has that luxury. Get out of your bubble.

For thousands of DCPS students, this is where they learn to ride a bike.

No, it's not. It really isn't. I'm sorry. Also, I live in a neighborhood you'd be afraid to visit after 6pm.

Ya, I know how hard it is being surrounded by republicans in sundown areas.

PP here. I live in a majority black neighborhood where, thankfully, no one gives a sh*t about bike lanes. Only white people care about bike lanes (and only a small fraction of them).

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

At our DCPS school, the second-graders have a unit on bike-riding in PE every year that involves bringing dozens of bikes to the school and instructing the kids to ride them. So... every year, people in Washington, D.C., turn to WABA to help kids learn how to ride a bike.

That is an A+ fig leaf.

I have never heard of any parent relying on school to teach their kids to ride bikes but forcing kids to sit through a WABA presentation is an excellent way to pretend they are not a lobbying organization on the public dole.

Do these schools not have gym teachers? I don't understand why schools would have to outsource this.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

At our DCPS school, the second-graders have a unit on bike-riding in PE every year that involves bringing dozens of bikes to the school and instructing the kids to ride them. So... every year, people in Washington, D.C., turn to WABA to help kids learn how to ride a bike.

That is an A+ fig leaf.

I have never heard of any parent relying on school to teach their kids to ride bikes but forcing kids to sit through a WABA presentation is an excellent way to pretend they are not a lobbying organization on the public dole.

Do these schools not have gym teachers? I don't understand why schools would have to outsource this.

The individual schools have not requested this. DC pays WABA to do it.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

Have you heard of AAA? Or the NRA? I mean, would you expect a regional bike organization to not ask for insfratructure to make biking safer?

PP here. Yes, that's exactly my point. They are a lobbying group, which means this arrangement with the city where they government floats the lion's share of their entire budget is illegal.

No, it isn't. If they show the monies are not comingled, then it isn't illegal. Every non-profit in the city who gets money for programs does this. Seriously, you are barking up the wrong tree here and are way out of your league.

Do you think SOME or Martha's Table doesn't lobby for social services? Or any of the animal shelters lobbying for animal rights? It happens all the time and is totally legal, as long as proper tracking is in place.

Er, how would you feel if the federal government was paying the NRA millions of dollars to lobby Congress?

I would be upset about it. But I would also look at the NRA filings to ensure they were in compliance with the law before posting allegations on a message board.

"Illegal" in this case only refers to the IRS. Comingling only matters in regards to whether contributions are tax deductible and whether or not their income is taxable. Moreover "lobbying" is a massive loophole because it only refers to specific legislation.

In common parlance they lobby. In IRS parlance they don't because there is no specific legislation.

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Anonymous wrote:Been commuting down Connecticut Ave for 20+ years.

I just don’t see how this will work.

Just yesterday, here’s what I noticed:

-Buses blocking the right lane prompt cars to cut off cars to switch lanes, slowing down traffic (and sometimes causing an accident)

-Delivery trucks routinely double-park in the right lane

-Traffic back-ups as cars wait to turn right. Not sure why certain cross streets get backed up, but they do. The result is a stand still on CT. This happens for cars turning left as well.

Why not create a bike lane on streets that run parallel to CT Ave?

You are describing the problem. The existing situation is already untenable. It will only worsen as the suburb continue to grow. We need to do it another way. That is what is happening. Thanks for making the point.

What’s the solution? People biking to work?

Again: been driving from Olney to K street for decades. I literally recognize my fellow drivers. Nobody is switching to a bike. Nobody is slowing down their commute by riding a bus or driving to a metro station, fighting for the privilege to pay for parking, waiting for a train, then riding with the huddled masses.

The real solution is to create alternate routes for cars—and bikes if you like.

I see less than a handful of bicycles each day.

Guess what?

I’ve been hit by bikes twice over the years. Both times I was stopped at a light and they slammed into me after I had been stopped for a while.

You have park and ride at Rockville and Glenmont, both of which are close to Olney. You drive in because you don’t want to spend time with “the huddled masses”. Honestly, if that’s your attitude, please just stay in Olney.

FTR, I opt to drive because driving and parking at a metro station for the subway or bus adds both time and money to my already long and costly commute.

Why would anyone add more time and more money to their commute???

I’ve tried metro. I would never try the bus because it adds significant time to an already long commute.

I’m not the only commuter who lives in MoCo. There are thousands of us. We aren’t switching to public transit because it isn’t cost effective or convenient. We aren’t hopping on bicycles.

Bikes are really only a solution for DC residents or those who live close to the city limits. Buses are only convenient for those within walking distance. Ditto for most metro riders.

Creating “solutions” for only those who are already in the city of nearby really aren’t traffic solutions at all.

#Duh

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

Have you heard of AAA? Or the NRA? I mean, would you expect a regional bike organization to not ask for insfratructure to make biking safer?

PP here. Yes, that's exactly my point. They are a lobbying group, which means this arrangement with the city where they government floats the lion's share of their entire budget is illegal.

No, it isn't. If they show the monies are not comingled, then it isn't illegal. Every non-profit in the city who gets money for programs does this. Seriously, you are barking up the wrong tree here and are way out of your league.

Do you think SOME or Martha's Table doesn't lobby for social services? Or any of the animal shelters lobbying for animal rights? It happens all the time and is totally legal, as long as proper tracking is in place.

Er, how would you feel if the federal government was paying the NRA millions of dollars to lobby Congress?

I would be upset about it. But I would also look at the NRA filings to ensure they were in compliance with the law before posting allegations on a message board.

"Illegal" in this case only refers to the IRS. Comingling only matters in regards to whether contributions are tax deductible and whether or not their income is taxable. Moreover "lobbying" is a massive loophole because it only refers to specific legislation.

In common parlance they lobby. In IRS parlance they don't because there is no specific legislation.

You’ve just made this up, which is hilarious. Also, DC has its own lobbying laws and regulations for which WABA was found in violation.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

Have you heard of AAA? Or the NRA? I mean, would you expect a regional bike organization to not ask for insfratructure to make biking safer?

PP here. Yes, that's exactly my point. They are a lobbying group, which means this arrangement with the city where they government floats the lion's share of their entire budget is illegal.

No, it isn't. If they show the monies are not comingled, then it isn't illegal. Every non-profit in the city who gets money for programs does this. Seriously, you are barking up the wrong tree here and are way out of your league.

Do you think SOME or Martha's Table doesn't lobby for social services? Or any of the animal shelters lobbying for animal rights? It happens all the time and is totally legal, as long as proper tracking is in place.

Er, how would you feel if the federal government was paying the NRA millions of dollars to lobby Congress?

I would be upset about it. But I would also look at the NRA filings to ensure they were in compliance with the law before posting allegations on a message board.

"Illegal" in this case only refers to the IRS. Comingling only matters in regards to whether contributions are tax deductible and whether or not their income is taxable. Moreover "lobbying" is a massive loophole because it only refers to specific legislation.

In common parlance they lobby. In IRS parlance they don't because there is no specific legislation.

You’ve just made this up, which is hilarious. Also, DC has its own lobbying laws and regulations for which WABA was found in violation.

When, and by whom? Got a link?