Options for opposing Connecticut Avenue changes?

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

Why, if bikes and bike lanes are as unpopular with real people as people here claim, would the real estate industry be financing WABA? Real estate developers want to sell housing. If no one wants bike stuff as an amenity, there's not much point in subsidizing the bike lobby.

[Anonymous]

Here is a thread which more fully explores public funding of WABA: https://groups.io/g/adamsmorgan/topic/waba_s/86285267?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C1%2C0%2C0%3A%3A%2C%2C%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C86285267&jump=1

The original poster presents a photo downthread that he claims depicts one of his opponents in handcuffs. It actually depicts the person with their hands behind their back while an officer walked behind them. The poster knew this but made the claim anyway. That should tell you all you need to know about their credibility.

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

Why, if bikes and bike lanes are as unpopular with real people as people here claim, would the real estate industry be financing WABA? Real estate developers want to sell housing. If no one wants bike stuff as an amenity, there's not much point in subsidizing the bike lobby.

Developers are funding WABA in order to gain support for upzoning. It's standard greenwashing. Remenber that this Connecticut Ave plan is concurrent with efforts to upzone the same area. That's the quid pro quo. Upzoning for bike lanes. That's what's so appalling about what the ANCs did. They traded upzoning for bike lanes. Not increased mass transit
Not increased school capacity. Not increased emergency services. But bike lanes.

Developers don't care about bike lanes. They just want to be able to build at a higher density (which equals higher profit). It's a great deal for them. The bike lane proponents take all the blame and lead to density fight for them because the two are intertwined.

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

Why, if bikes and bike lanes are as unpopular with real people as people here claim, would the real estate industry be financing WABA? Real estate developers want to sell housing. If no one wants bike stuff as an amenity, there's not much point in subsidizing the bike lobby.

Developers are funding WABA in order to gain support for upzoning. It's standard greenwashing. Remenber that this Connecticut Ave plan is concurrent with efforts to upzone the same area. That's the quid pro quo. Upzoning for bike lanes. That's what's so appalling about what the ANCs did. They traded upzoning for bike lanes. Not increased mass transit
Not increased school capacity. Not increased emergency services. But bike lanes.

Developers don't care about bike lanes. They just want to be able to build at a higher density (which equals higher profit). It's a great deal for them. The bike lane proponents take all the blame and lead to density fight for them because the two are intertwined.

Surely the developers are powerful enough to just get what they want without needing a bunch of (as this thread has it) fat white guys in spandex advocating for an unrelated policy to make it happen, though. Again, if bike lanes and upzoning are both so unpopular, why would this trade have even worked?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

Why, if bikes and bike lanes are as unpopular with real people as people here claim, would the real estate industry be financing WABA? Real estate developers want to sell housing. If no one wants bike stuff as an amenity, there's not much point in subsidizing the bike lobby.

Developers are funding WABA in order to gain support for upzoning. It's standard greenwashing. Remenber that this Connecticut Ave plan is concurrent with efforts to upzone the same area. That's the quid pro quo. Upzoning for bike lanes. That's what's so appalling about what the ANCs did. They traded upzoning for bike lanes. Not increased mass transit
Not increased school capacity. Not increased emergency services. But bike lanes.

Developers don't care about bike lanes. They just want to be able to build at a higher density (which equals higher profit). It's a great deal for them. The bike lane proponents take all the blame and lead to density fight for them because the two are intertwined.

Building underground parking garages (which used to be the requirement) is exponentially more expensive than building bike racks or rooms to store bikes which is why developer's back bike lanes, they don't care about biking, they are interested in their own business objectives

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The City needs to set the policy - developers are a private business industry they are not responsible for the city's choices re: transportation policy.

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

Why, if bikes and bike lanes are as unpopular with real people as people here claim, would the real estate industry be financing WABA? Real estate developers want to sell housing. If no one wants bike stuff as an amenity, there's not much point in subsidizing the bike lobby.

Developers are funding WABA in order to gain support for upzoning. It's standard greenwashing. Remenber that this Connecticut Ave plan is concurrent with efforts to upzone the same area. That's the quid pro quo. Upzoning for bike lanes. That's what's so appalling about what the ANCs did. They traded upzoning for bike lanes. Not increased mass transit
Not increased school capacity. Not increased emergency services. But bike lanes.

Developers don't care about bike lanes. They just want to be able to build at a higher density (which equals higher profit). It's a great deal for them. The bike lane proponents take all the blame and lead to density fight for them because the two are intertwined.

Surely the developers are powerful enough to just get what they want without needing a bunch of (as this thread has it) fat white guys in spandex advocating for an unrelated policy to make it happen, though. Again, if bike lanes and upzoning are both so unpopular, why would this trade have even worked?

ANCs have leverage over zoning and as a PP mentioned there are requiremwnts regarding parking that they want waived.

Developers want to build less parking and at higher density. They use bicyclists to push for that in exchange for bike lanes.

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

At our DCPS school, the second-graders have a unit on bike-riding in PE every year that involves bringing dozens of bikes to the school and instructing the kids to ride them. So... every year, people in Washington, D.C., turn to WABA to help kids learn how to ride a bike.

That is an A+ fig leaf.

I have never heard of any parent relying on school to teach their kids to ride bikes but forcing kids to sit through a WABA presentation is an excellent way to pretend they are not a lobbying organization on the public dole.

Do these schools not have gym teachers? I don't understand why schools would have to outsource this.

The individual schools have not requested this. DC pays WABA to do it.

Also funded by DDOT. The PE teachers in our school do the actual lessons. The bikes are supplied by DDOT. I'm not sure what WABA's role is.

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

Why, if bikes and bike lanes are as unpopular with real people as people here claim, would the real estate industry be financing WABA? Real estate developers want to sell housing. If no one wants bike stuff as an amenity, there's not much point in subsidizing the bike lobby.

Developers are funding WABA in order to gain support for upzoning. It's standard greenwashing. Remenber that this Connecticut Ave plan is concurrent with efforts to upzone the same area. That's the quid pro quo. Upzoning for bike lanes. That's what's so appalling about what the ANCs did. They traded upzoning for bike lanes. Not increased mass transit
Not increased school capacity. Not increased emergency services. But bike lanes.

Developers don't care about bike lanes. They just want to be able to build at a higher density (which equals higher profit). It's a great deal for them. The bike lane proponents take all the blame and lead to density fight for them because the two are intertwined.

Surely the developers are powerful enough to just get what they want without needing a bunch of (as this thread has it) fat white guys in spandex advocating for an unrelated policy to make it happen, though. Again, if bike lanes and upzoning are both so unpopular, why would this trade have even worked?

ANCs have leverage over zoning and as a PP mentioned there are requiremwnts regarding parking that they want waived.

Developers want to build less parking and at higher density. They use bicyclists to push for that in exchange for bike lanes.

God forbid that representatives in government, investors in the private sector, and city-based non-profits both have a common desire to improve the efficiency of land use in DC and improve the quality of life for city residents. The horror!

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

Why, if bikes and bike lanes are as unpopular with real people as people here claim, would the real estate industry be financing WABA? Real estate developers want to sell housing. If no one wants bike stuff as an amenity, there's not much point in subsidizing the bike lobby.

Developers are funding WABA in order to gain support for upzoning. It's standard greenwashing. Remenber that this Connecticut Ave plan is concurrent with efforts to upzone the same area. That's the quid pro quo. Upzoning for bike lanes. That's what's so appalling about what the ANCs did. They traded upzoning for bike lanes. Not increased mass transit
Not increased school capacity. Not increased emergency services. But bike lanes.

Developers don't care about bike lanes. They just want to be able to build at a higher density (which equals higher profit). It's a great deal for them. The bike lane proponents take all the blame and lead to density fight for them because the two are intertwined.

Surely the developers are powerful enough to just get what they want without needing a bunch of (as this thread has it) fat white guys in spandex advocating for an unrelated policy to make it happen, though. Again, if bike lanes and upzoning are both so unpopular, why would this trade have even worked?

ANCs have leverage over zoning and as a PP mentioned there are requiremwnts regarding parking that they want waived.

Developers want to build less parking and at higher density. They use bicyclists to push for that in exchange for bike lanes.

But WABA is not pushing for less parking or higher density. It's true that a lot of individual people who support bike lanes also support higher density and less parking (though not all), but you're suggesting it's because of some quid pro quo, the details of which are a little hazy. Why would the ANCs give the developers what they want just in exchange for bike lanes, which are allegedly hated by every single person in the city except the bike lobby?

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thread which more fully explores public funding of WABA: https://groups.io/g/adamsmorgan/topic/waba_s/86285267?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C1%2C0%2C0%3A%3A%2C%2C%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C86285267&jump=1

The original poster presents a photo downthread that he claims depicts one of his opponents in handcuffs. It actually depicts the person with their hands behind their back while an officer walked behind them. The poster knew this but made the claim anyway. That should tell you all you need to know about their credibility.

The dollar sums in those POs that WABA has received over the last decade are mind-boggling. At least $600k per year from DC government over 10 years.

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What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

So you are saying that people who own real estate believe bike infrastructure is important, that the regional bus entity believes bike infrastructure is important, but you know better? And no, they do not receive "millions" from DDOT. This is all publicly verifiable in terms of where their money comes from. Why are you lying about this?

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Anonymous wrote:$52

What is this about, how is this thread making money for WABA?

A poster vowed to donate $1 to WABA for each page over 100.

The Washington Area Bicyclist Association is a scam. If you look at its tax filings, you'll see almost its entire $2 million budget comes from taxpayer money. Basically, the D.C. government pays WABA to lobby the DC government. Great use of tax dollars (and is this even legal?).

You might also ask why, if the public is so in favor of bike lanes, why WABA is incapable of supporting itself. Out of its $2 million in revenue, just $108,000 came from its members' dues. Sure looks like they're having trouble finding people to support them.

No, it wouldn't be legal, and at the same time, if you looked at the public filings that ALL legitimate non-profits make, you would know that they don't do this. WABA gets grants from the DC government to conduct educational programs in schools and for adults- how to ride safely, how to change tires, how to maintain the equipment etc.

The money they use for lobbying comes from donations and other sources, AS SHOWN ON THEIR FORMS.

So let's stop with the lying, it really undermines your arguments.

"Educational programs." Orwell would have loved your euphemisms. The entire purpose of WABA is to lobby for bike lanes. Pretty evident by their own Web site where they urge people to contact the government about specific infrastructure projects. No one in the history of Washington D.C. has turned to WABA to learn how to ride a bike.

still don't understand why a group lobbying for bike lanes in a city where the public is supposedly clamoring for bike lanes raises so little money from its members. $108,000 in total? there are girl scout troops that do better than that.

What you’re showing is that the notion of a well-resourced and powerful “bike lobby” is nothing but a ridiculous fiction. I care a lot about bike lanes, but have never contributed any money to WABA and have no intentions of doing so. What do I need them for when I can show up at an ANC meeting or write to my Councilmember?

DP but WABA is very well financed, just not by members. They receive millions from DDOT, the real estate industry, and have also received funds from WMATA.

So you are saying that people who own real estate believe bike infrastructure is important, that the regional bus entity believes bike infrastructure is important, but you know better? And no, they do not receive "millions" from DDOT. This is all publicly verifiable in terms of where their money comes from. Why are you lying about this?

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No. What was said is what was written. Doofus.

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a thread which more fully explores public funding of WABA: https://groups.io/g/adamsmorgan/topic/waba_s/86285267?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C1%2C0%2C0%3A%3A%2C%2C%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C86285267&jump=1

The original poster presents a photo downthread that he claims depicts one of his opponents in handcuffs. It actually depicts the person with their hands behind their back while an officer walked behind them. The poster knew this but made the claim anyway. That should tell you all you need to know about their credibility.

The dollar sums in those POs that WABA has received over the last decade are mind-boggling. At least $600k per year from DC government over 10 years.

Imagine that! A cycling organization providing cycling lessons to city residents! I really don't understand why this is so "mind-boggling". Should public school children not learn how to ride bikes? Would you rather that children not learn how to operate bikes safely? Should those who provide these lessons not be trained professionals? Please find another tree to bark up. There is nothing there, however you may wish that there was.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a thread which more fully explores public funding of WABA: https://groups.io/g/adamsmorgan/topic/waba_s/86285267?p=Created%2C%2C%2C20%2C1%2C0%2C0%3A%3A%2C%2C%2C0%2C0%2C0%2C86285267&jump=1

The original poster presents a photo downthread that he claims depicts one of his opponents in handcuffs. It actually depicts the person with their hands behind their back while an officer walked behind them. The poster knew this but made the claim anyway. That should tell you all you need to know about their credibility.

The dollar sums in those POs that WABA has received over the last decade are mind-boggling. At least $600k per year from DC government over 10 years.

Imagine that! A cycling organization providing cycling lessons to city residents! I really don't understand why this is so "mind-boggling". Should public school children not learn how to ride bikes? Would you rather that children not learn how to operate bikes safely? Should those who provide these lessons not be trained professionals? Please find another tree to bark up. There is nothing there, however you may wish that there was.

And what is the measured effect of that $6-10 million dollars that was spent when compared to other needs?

Paying affluent white people millions to teach mostly poor Black kids to ride bikes seems pretty tone deaf and a mis-prioritization of resources when there are are many kids every day in DCPS that don’t have enough food to eat.