Why is the Foxhall Community Citizens Association scared of public school children?

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Anonymous wrote:OMG. Would some kind soul break down this extremely long post?

Let me try . . . The Foxhall Community Citizens Association (FCCA) is scared of public school children. The public school serving Foxhall - as with many others in Ward 3 - is over-crowded. A solution to this problem appeared in the form of a public school building leased out to a wealthy public school until 2023. Instead of doing what the community wanted and advocating for this public school building to be given back to DCPS, the FCCA did all it could to ensure the lease was extended in virtual perpetuity. The FCCA eventually got what it wanted, but the city then announced a plan to build a new public elementary school right next to that school building. This new school building may end up taking away a bunch of land currently used for a public park. In response, the FCCA is pulling all sorts of shenanigans - including naked attempts to misrepresent community sentiment and harking back to the old NIMBY favorite on parking concerns - to stop the construction of a public school building that would help alleviate overcrowding in the Wilson feeder pattern.

Wow. And I thought the Cleveland Park NIMBYs were crazy.

This is 100% my impression. I sadly live in this neighborhood which i refer to as sh1th--le village because the neighbors, just a few are so nasty. They will literally drive you from your own home and don't dare do any kind of improvemt or construction or dcra will breathe down your neck and even though it gets tossed out or no Vio it's still such a waste of time, harassing and awful. Oh and don't dare be a minority or married to a minority, these disgusting bags of garbage will treat you like dirt. I wish the city would demolish the neighborhood and i OWN there.

I didn’t know a lot about the neighborhood before all of this drama started and figured that the FCCA was unrepresentative of community sentiment. I’ve been truly appalled about what I’ve learned about it through the responses on the listserv and the accounts of those few minorities that live there. Finding out that people who harbor views like this live in DC and participate in civic associations was an unwelcome shock. Maybe the worst thing about it is that they have, at least, managed to hold up the opening of both the elementary and high school proposed for the area.

The FCCA isn't a civic association. In DC, "Civic Association" has a very specific meaning. In the early part of the 20th century, "Citizens Associations" -- along with the Federation of Citizens Associations of DC -- were formed in the white parts of the city to lobby the Congress on local issues. One of the biggest issues was insuring that the white parts of the city stayed white, and the citizens associations were very active in implementing racial covenants and then suing to insure they were enforced. In the Supreme Court case that invalidated racial covenants in DC, the original plaintiff was the Mount Pleasant Citizens Association.

The bylaws of the Federation of Citizens Associations limited membership in its member organizations to white men until the 1970's. Removal of this restriction was not the result of any great change of heart on the part of the federation. Rather, in 1973 the IRS had ruled that organizations that discriminated were ineligible for tax-exempt status. They figured it was better to keep their tax-exempt status.

Civic associations -- along with the DC Federation of Civic Associations -- were founded in black neighborhoods. Their primary purpose was opposing the Citizens Associations.

The FCCA is a Citizens Association.

Wow. I just learned an awful lot about DC’s history as a result of assuming “civic” and “citizens” were interchangeable. Sometimes stupidity can make one smarter, I guess.

Ugh...explains much of my frustrations and disgust in this neighborhood. Wish I'd known before I moved here. It's not everyone, but a small vocal group of folks in this area really make it very unpleasant to live here as a minority unless you are willing to totally submit and step and fetch. I've never lived anywhere like this and prior to this lived in other areas of DC, Dupont Circle, U street, and even Van Ness that were totally normal. There is a real bunker attitude among some here.

[Anonymous]

PArt of me feels we need to reach out to the national action network or FBI or someone to fight the discrimination and shut down the citizen organizations. Its 2021 and this is insane. These things should even exist anymore.

https://nationalactionnetwork.net/about/contact-us/crisis/

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Anonymous wrote:PArt of me feels we need to reach out to the national action network or FBI or someone to fight the discrimination and shut down the citizen organizations. Its 2021 and this is insane. These things should even exist anymore.

https://nationalactionnetwork.net/about/contact-us/crisis/

Yes Comrade, I share your authoritarian instincts. The central government should build a type of camp where these traitors can be re-educated to see the world exactly as you and I do.

[Anonymous]

White men smh “the man”. If you hat black people, just say that!

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Anonymous wrote:OMG. Would some kind soul break down this extremely long post?

Let me try . . . The Foxhall Community Citizens Association (FCCA) is scared of public school children. The public school serving Foxhall - as with many others in Ward 3 - is over-crowded. A solution to this problem appeared in the form of a public school building leased out to a wealthy public school until 2023. Instead of doing what the community wanted and advocating for this public school building to be given back to DCPS, the FCCA did all it could to ensure the lease was extended in virtual perpetuity. The FCCA eventually got what it wanted, but the city then announced a plan to build a new public elementary school right next to that school building. This new school building may end up taking away a bunch of land currently used for a public park. In response, the FCCA is pulling all sorts of shenanigans - including naked attempts to misrepresent community sentiment and harking back to the old NIMBY favorite on parking concerns - to stop the construction of a public school building that would help alleviate overcrowding in the Wilson feeder pattern.

Wow. And I thought the Cleveland Park NIMBYs were crazy.

This is 100% my impression. I sadly live in this neighborhood which i refer to as sh1th--le village because the neighbors, just a few are so nasty. They will literally drive you from your own home and don't dare do any kind of improvemt or construction or dcra will breathe down your neck and even though it gets tossed out or no Vio it's still such a waste of time, harassing and awful. Oh and don't dare be a minority or married to a minority, these disgusting bags of garbage will treat you like dirt. I wish the city would demolish the neighborhood and i OWN there.

I didn’t know a lot about the neighborhood before all of this drama started and figured that the FCCA was unrepresentative of community sentiment. I’ve been truly appalled about what I’ve learned about it through the responses on the listserv and the accounts of those few minorities that live there. Finding out that people who harbor views like this live in DC and participate in civic associations was an unwelcome shock. Maybe the worst thing about it is that they have, at least, managed to hold up the opening of both the elementary and high school proposed for the area.

The FCCA isn't a civic association. In DC, "Civic Association" has a very specific meaning. In the early part of the 20th century, "Citizens Associations" -- along with the Federation of Citizens Associations of DC -- were formed in the white parts of the city to lobby the Congress on local issues. One of the biggest issues was insuring that the white parts of the city stayed white, and the citizens associations were very active in implementing racial covenants and then suing to insure they were enforced. In the Supreme Court case that invalidated racial covenants in DC, the original plaintiff was the Mount Pleasant Citizens Association.

The bylaws of the Federation of Citizens Associations limited membership in its member organizations to white men until the 1970's. Removal of this restriction was not the result of any great change of heart on the part of the federation. Rather, in 1973 the IRS had ruled that organizations that discriminated were ineligible for tax-exempt status. They figured it was better to keep their tax-exempt status.

Civic associations -- along with the DC Federation of Civic Associations -- were founded in black neighborhoods. Their primary purpose was opposing the Citizens Associations.

The FCCA is a Citizens Association.

Wow. I just learned an awful lot about DC’s history as a result of assuming “civic” and “citizens” were interchangeable. Sometimes stupidity can make one smarter, I guess.

Slight Swerve:
NP: You might already know this, but, if you assumed that “American” and “National” have always been interchangeable, here’s another opportunity for learning! Historically, when the US upheld legal racial segregation, there were often parallel organizations such as the American Bar Association and the American Medical Association— for white people, and the National Bar Association and the National Medical Association — founded by Black people.

[Anonymous]

The FCCA's October newsletter is out.

It's not published on their website yet because I suspect they don't want what's in it subjected to wider scrutiny.

The newsletter contains a long screed against the proposed Foxhall Elementary School. Much of it rails against Mary Cheh for her support for the school, but it does contain this very revealing "fact" (which they of course fail to source):

"Whenever it would open, most of the students at Foxhall school would come from outside of our neighborhood. The City's own planning figures show that less than 150 students live within 3/4 of a mile of the school and thus are 'walkable'."

I am very glad that they are finally being honest about the fact that their opposition has little to do with park space, traffic, parking or any of the other canards they've advanced over the past few months. Some people in this part of DC haven't moved on from the 1950s, it seems.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The FCCA's October newsletter is out.

It's not published on their website yet because I suspect they don't want what's in it subjected to wider scrutiny.

The newsletter contains a long screed against the proposed Foxhall Elementary School. Much of it rails against Mary Cheh for her support for the school, but it does contain this very revealing "fact" (which they of course fail to source):

"Whenever it would open, most of the students at Foxhall school would come from outside of our neighborhood. The City's own planning figures show that less than 150 students live within 3/4 of a mile of the school and thus are 'walkable'."

I am very glad that they are finally being honest about the fact that their opposition has little to do with park space, traffic, parking or any of the other canards they've advanced over the past few months. Some people in this part of DC haven't moved on from the 1950s, it seems.

this is so pathetic. I responded to all the surveys and believe park space should be preserved by using Old Hardy as the new Foxhall ES, ending Bowser and Kihn's corrupt deal with Lab School. Seeing how fixated FCCA is on the outside the neighborhood nonsense, would be karma for them to lose their beloved parkland as a symbolic F U.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The FCCA's October newsletter is out.

It's not published on their website yet because I suspect they don't want what's in it subjected to wider scrutiny.

The newsletter contains a long screed against the proposed Foxhall Elementary School. Much of it rails against Mary Cheh for her support for the school, but it does contain this very revealing "fact" (which they of course fail to source):

"Whenever it would open, most of the students at Foxhall school would come from outside of our neighborhood. The City's own planning figures show that less than 150 students live within 3/4 of a mile of the school and thus are 'walkable'."

I am very glad that they are finally being honest about the fact that their opposition has little to do with park space, traffic, parking or any of the other canards they've advanced over the past few months. Some people in this part of DC haven't moved on from the 1950s, it seems.

I don't believe that's factually true, and I don't know where they would have gotten that info.

I was on the Community Working Group. While DCPS clearly had block-by-block info about where current students live, they guarded that info closely. The most they would say is that the new school would be filled with kids who lived within 1.1 miles, almost all of whom would be closer to the new school than to their current school. So I have to question what the "City's own planning figures" are.

Throughout the CWG process the FCCA representatives behaved as if this was a city-wide facility being foisted on their neighborhood. Even when presented with the facts they refused to accept them.

[Anonymous]

Their plan was to bring kids from Stoddert over there. That is more than a mile away and was part of the controversy. Not against the school myself just saying.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Their plan was to bring kids from Stoddert over there. That is more than a mile away and was part of the controversy. Not against the school myself just saying.

No. DCPS was adamant about never announcing a plan. Because they didn't want to have a a redistricting fight at the same time. The Stoddert folks surmised that they were going to get moved and DCPs got that fight anyway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The FCCA's October newsletter is out.

It's not published on their website yet because I suspect they don't want what's in it subjected to wider scrutiny.

The newsletter contains a long screed against the proposed Foxhall Elementary School. Much of it rails against Mary Cheh for her support for the school, but it does contain this very revealing "fact" (which they of course fail to source):

"Whenever it would open, most of the students at Foxhall school would come from outside of our neighborhood. The City's own planning figures show that less than 150 students live within 3/4 of a mile of the school and thus are 'walkable'."

I am very glad that they are finally being honest about the fact that their opposition has little to do with park space, traffic, parking or any of the other canards they've advanced over the past few months. Some people in this part of DC haven't moved on from the 1950s, it seems.

I don't believe that's factually true, and I don't know where they would have gotten that info.

I was on the Community Working Group. While DCPS clearly had block-by-block info about where current students live, they guarded that info closely. The most they would say is that the new school would be filled with kids who lived within 1.1 miles, almost all of whom would be closer to the new school than to their current school. So I have to question what the "City's own planning figures" are.

Throughout the CWG process the FCCA representatives behaved as if this was a city-wide facility being foisted on their neighborhood. Even when presented with the facts they refused to accept them.

Nothing these clowns have said throughout the whole process is true. Not about the park, not about parking, not about traffic, and not about the composition of the school. I would infer that the FCCA has tried to keep away from the last point, lest it reveal them truly for what they are.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:White men smh “the man”. If you hat black people, just say that!

I don’t care who wears hats but I think it’s a bad look esp for balding men

[Anonymous]

The latest FCCA newsletter is out and filled with enough bullshit to fertilize half of Nebraska: https://foxhall.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/10/October-2021_FCCA_v5.pdf

[Anonymous]

Hilarious how the FCCA is flipping out about some public school kids from upper NW. And how they brought this upon themselves with the whole Lab school situation. I would normally be sympathetic about the loss of the park, but couldn’t care less at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:Hilarious how the FCCA is flipping out about some public school kids from upper NW. And how they brought this upon themselves with the whole Lab school situation. I would normally be sympathetic about the loss of the park, but couldn’t care less at this point.

But the crazy thing is that the school will barely affect the park space. About the only amenity it will affect is the basketball court, which will become an indoor court. On balance, the school will probably improve the park. You don't have to read too much between the lines of what FCCA puts out to realize that this has nothing to do with a park, but rather is more about having public school kids (and high school kids particularly) in their neighborhood.