Where did McLean go wrong?

[Anonymous]

On the girls side, has VDA produced an elite player in the past ten years?

[Anonymous]

ECNL Boys Standings Fall 2020

https://public.totalglobalsports.com/public/event/2050/conference-standings/12

After McLean's older batch of boys teams are gone they are gonna be in a world of hurt. McLean needs to get their act together. Stop allowing kids to play up in age especially if their age group needs better players. And if you're gonna recruit kids to your team they should better your team. One coach brought a kid on a McLean ECNL team who is playing up a year but the kid wasn't even on the ECNL team at his previous club. What kind of recruiting tactics is that? Bringing a younger player on a McLean ECNL team that wasn't even ECNL caliber? Was told the kid is the son of a friend of the coach. Looks like there's something fishy going on there. Regardless, terrible recruiting tactics. Sometimes it just comes down to the players just aren't athletic enough, quick enough, can't make decisions fast enough and simply just don't have the players needed to compete at the higher end of ECNL.

[Anonymous]

Translation of the above posts, which also stays on constant replay on McLean parent's head while his DD's team is getting clobbered by VDA

"we don't suck, we don't suck, we don't suck"

[Anonymous]

On the minds of the parents of girls on elite teams in the area is why are VDA and BRYC in ECNL. People understand Loudoun but even non Elite ECNL and GA teams ask how VDA and BRYC were invited to join ECNL. Arlington and FCV parents wonder why VDA and BRYC are in the league over their own clubs. Look VDA has talent but it is not considered an elite club but most followers. Again, if you could point to one VDA player at a strong college program then we could have a discussion. Even BRYC has a few.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the minds of the parents of girls on elite teams in the area is why are VDA and BRYC in ECNL. People understand Loudoun but even non Elite ECNL and GA teams ask how VDA and BRYC were invited to join ECNL. Arlington and FCV parents wonder why VDA and BRYC are in the league over their own clubs. Look VDA has talent but it is not considered an elite club but most followers. Again, if you could point to one VDA player at a strong college program then we could have a discussion. Even BRYC has a few.

Nice attempt loudoun staffer. You’re ECNL program is comical and subpar. You only have one team, one, out of 12 that is good/winning. The rest are being used and abused left and right.

[Anonymous]

VDA parents come off as an ugly bunch on these forums with these types of comments

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:VDA parents come off as an ugly bunch on these forums with these types of comments

VDA parents and MW. He is definitely posting on here.

[Anonymous]

Sounds like some salty McLean parents who can't buy their way to a win. Sad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:On the minds of the parents of girls on elite teams in the area is why are VDA and BRYC in ECNL. People understand Loudoun but even non Elite ECNL and GA teams ask how VDA and BRYC were invited to join ECNL. Arlington and FCV parents wonder why VDA and BRYC are in the league over their own clubs. Look VDA has talent but it is not considered an elite club but most followers. Again, if you could point to one VDA player at a strong college program then we could have a discussion. Even BRYC has a few.

This post suggests FCV and Arlington didn't chose to go to DA... but they did. Each league has pros and cons. Each league will have bottom dwellers and high flyers. You can't escape "bad" teams and are they really that bad if they are getting beaten by good teams? VDA is doing well in younger ages, and not so much in older agest. McLean is doing well in older ages, not so much in younger ages.... so, based on your metric, should McLean be out of the ECNL? Obviously not. Leagues are what they are and won't change any time soon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Your DD about to join HS, so they are U15 or U14, and yes, McLean isn't very good. A shill will come in and tell you that "McLean always is at the bottom when younger then as they grow, move up in the standings". Sorry they are struggling, but as a PP said, there are other clubs if your kid wants to win. Maybe hang another year and "magically" McLean gets better for some reason. If they are U15, they won't be topping VDA any time soon or Loudoun if they are U14. It is a lot of money to struggle, I feel your pain.

This person was dead on... the shills came cackling out of the woodwork right on que. Next, influx of FCV crows

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the minds of the parents of girls on elite teams in the area is why are VDA and BRYC in ECNL. People understand Loudoun but even non Elite ECNL and GA teams ask how VDA and BRYC were invited to join ECNL. Arlington and FCV parents wonder why VDA and BRYC are in the league over their own clubs. Look VDA has talent but it is not considered an elite club but most followers. Again, if you could point to one VDA player at a strong college program then we could have a discussion. Even BRYC has a few.

This post suggests FCV and Arlington didn't chose to go to DA... but they did. Each league has pros and cons. Each league will have bottom dwellers and high flyers. You can't escape "bad" teams and are they really that bad if they are getting beaten by good teams? VDA is doing well in younger ages, and not so much in older agest. McLean is doing well in older ages, not so much in younger ages.... so, based on your metric, should McLean be out of the ECNL? Obviously not. Leagues are what they are and won't change any time soon.

I think you are ignoring a couple of key points:

1. FCV left ECNL for DA because DA was the new shiny league. Arlington was lucky to get into DA. Now that DA is gone, both teams are desperate to get into ECNL. Don’t deny it.
2. VDA does not and never has had a track record of producing elite players on a consistent basis. All I know about McLean is that it produces more kids playing in elite programs than any other club in the area. There are players coming off of the bench who join elite programs. I don’t know of a single VDA player making it to an elite program in the past five years.
3. McLean players and teams get better over the years. They might struggle at u13 and u14 but by u17, they are competing at a high level. On the other hand, VDA competes at the younger ages but then gets worse as the teams age.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the minds of the parents of girls on elite teams in the area is why are VDA and BRYC in ECNL. People understand Loudoun but even non Elite ECNL and GA teams ask how VDA and BRYC were invited to join ECNL. Arlington and FCV parents wonder why VDA and BRYC are in the league over their own clubs. Look VDA has talent but it is not considered an elite club but most followers. Again, if you could point to one VDA player at a strong college program then we could have a discussion. Even BRYC has a few.

This post suggests FCV and Arlington didn't chose to go to DA... but they did. Each league has pros and cons. Each league will have bottom dwellers and high flyers. You can't escape "bad" teams and are they really that bad if they are getting beaten by good teams? VDA is doing well in younger ages, and not so much in older agest. McLean is doing well in older ages, not so much in younger ages.... so, based on your metric, should McLean be out of the ECNL? Obviously not. Leagues are what they are and won't change any time soon.

I think you are ignoring a couple of key points:

1. FCV left ECNL for DA because DA was the new shiny league. Arlington was lucky to get into DA. Now that DA is gone, both teams are desperate to get into ECNL. Don’t deny it.
2. VDA does not and never has had a track record of producing elite players on a consistent basis. All I know about McLean is that it produces more kids playing in elite programs than any other club in the area. There are players coming off of the bench who join elite programs. I don’t know of a single VDA player making it to an elite program in the past five years.
3. McLean players and teams get better over the years. They might struggle at u13 and u14 but by u17, they are competing at a high level. On the other hand, VDA competes at the younger ages but then gets worse as the teams age.

On 3, you have beaten the dead horse into glue. That’s recruiting, not development. It’s just BS. Stop pretending it’s coaching. That will change if people become more intelligent and realize that talent attracts recruiting. There is nothing magical about any club with the exception of a very small number of coaches in the area.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the minds of the parents of girls on elite teams in the area is why are VDA and BRYC in ECNL. People understand Loudoun but even non Elite ECNL and GA teams ask how VDA and BRYC were invited to join ECNL. Arlington and FCV parents wonder why VDA and BRYC are in the league over their own clubs. Look VDA has talent but it is not considered an elite club but most followers. Again, if you could point to one VDA player at a strong college program then we could have a discussion. Even BRYC has a few.

This post suggests FCV and Arlington didn't chose to go to DA... but they did. Each league has pros and cons. Each league will have bottom dwellers and high flyers. You can't escape "bad" teams and are they really that bad if they are getting beaten by good teams? VDA is doing well in younger ages, and not so much in older agest. McLean is doing well in older ages, not so much in younger ages.... so, based on your metric, should McLean be out of the ECNL? Obviously not. Leagues are what they are and won't change any time soon.

I think you are ignoring a couple of key points:

1. FCV left ECNL for DA because DA was the new shiny league. Arlington was lucky to get into DA. Now that DA is gone, both teams are desperate to get into ECNL. Don’t deny it.
2. VDA does not and never has had a track record of producing elite players on a consistent basis. All I know about McLean is that it produces more kids playing in elite programs than any other club in the area. There are players coming off of the bench who join elite programs. I don’t know of a single VDA player making it to an elite program in the past five years.
3. McLean players and teams get better over the years. They might struggle at u13 and u14 but by u17, they are competing at a high level. On the other hand, VDA competes at the younger ages but then gets worse as the teams age.

On 3, you have beaten the dead horse into glue. That’s recruiting, not development. It’s just BS. Stop pretending it’s coaching. That will change if people become more intelligent and realize that talent attracts recruiting. There is nothing magical about any club with the exception of a very small number of coaches in the area.

Actually this is why VDA is not a top club and will never be a top club. VDA has one good team just like Loudoun and BRYC. What that tells me is that those age groups just have talent. None of the other teams are getting better. McLean has been consistently good for a very long time with pretty much every single age group. Every team gets better in the older age groups. I know these facts bother you but that is just the reality.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:On the minds of the parents of girls on elite teams in the area is why are VDA and BRYC in ECNL. People understand Loudoun but even non Elite ECNL and GA teams ask how VDA and BRYC were invited to join ECNL. Arlington and FCV parents wonder why VDA and BRYC are in the league over their own clubs. Look VDA has talent but it is not considered an elite club but most followers. Again, if you could point to one VDA player at a strong college program then we could have a discussion. Even BRYC has a few.

This post suggests FCV and Arlington didn't chose to go to DA... but they did. Each league has pros and cons. Each league will have bottom dwellers and high flyers. You can't escape "bad" teams and are they really that bad if they are getting beaten by good teams? VDA is doing well in younger ages, and not so much in older agest. McLean is doing well in older ages, not so much in younger ages.... so, based on your metric, should McLean be out of the ECNL? Obviously not. Leagues are what they are and won't change any time soon.

I think you are ignoring a couple of key points:

1. FCV left ECNL for DA because DA was the new shiny league. Arlington was lucky to get into DA. Now that DA is gone, both teams are desperate to get into ECNL. Don’t deny it.
2. VDA does not and never has had a track record of producing elite players on a consistent basis. All I know about McLean is that it produces more kids playing in elite programs than any other club in the area. There are players coming off of the bench who join elite programs. I don’t know of a single VDA player making it to an elite program in the past five years.
3. McLean players and teams get better over the years. They might struggle at u13 and u14 but by u17, they are competing at a high level. On the other hand, VDA competes at the younger ages but then gets worse as the teams age.

On 3, you have beaten the dead horse into glue. That’s recruiting, not development. It’s just BS. Stop pretending it’s coaching. That will change if people become more intelligent and realize that talent attracts recruiting. There is nothing magical about any club with the exception of a very small number of coaches in the area.

What small number of coaches are better? What club has better coaching? Can a club have good coaching and attract better players? Are good players attracted to good coaches? Rather then bashing McLean, can you sell us on why VDA or any other club is better. Is VDA better because their one age group destroyed McLean at U15 in one recent game? Or they upset them at U14 but are still lower in the standings? Does all the history of McLean destroying VDA go out the window because of those results?

[Anonymous]

Greatest fallacy ever is that they just coach better. Please explain how this is possible to get whooped up and down the field one year... then magically the next year, what... your coaches are just GREAT and training is GREAT? The PPs are dead on, it's recruiting. Every team trains 95% the same way. The coaches are all at least B licensed, most A. Majority have played semi pro or pro, even in Europe. There is nothing special about McLean other than, yes, years ago they did get better, but you're not saying anything other than anecdotal evidence. *tosses bs flag*