Cliff Notes summary of MCPS boundary study fight?

[Anonymous]

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Wootton is projected to be over capacity by 200 seats or more by the end of the six-year planning period.


It is not. According to the CIP, Wootton is projected to be under capacity through 2034.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP21_Chap4_Wootton.pdf

Did the planning formulas change? It had been projected to be 200 over.

The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

[Anonymous]

The planning formulas are a hot mess and have been for well over a decade. Since Bruce Crisbell made up excuses for the numbers being wrong, since Joel Gallihue's incompetence, since MGT consultants who made up the numbers, etc. There is a new demographer, since July 1, who MAYBE will get it right (but given MCPs's track record, I doubt it).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
Wootton is projected to be over capacity by 200 seats or more by the end of the six-year planning period.


It is not. According to the CIP, Wootton is projected to be under capacity through 2034.

http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP21_Chap4_Wootton.pdf

Did the planning formulas change? It had been projected to be 200 over.

The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

residency fraud seems like a more plausible explanation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

I don't think that's true. It is about average at roughly 670 students. Big, but nothing compared to Wilson Wims or Rachel Carson (more than 1,000 kids), or Rolling Terrace, Ashburton, or College Gardens (900 students).

I'm not sure Wood Acres would even hit the top 10% of largest schools in the county.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

what? Are you talking physical space or enrollment?

It has 670+ kids.

Wims has 1200 kids!

Carson has a 1000.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

I don't think that's true. It is about average at roughly 670 students. Big, but nothing compared to Wilson Wims or Rachel Carson (more than 1,000 kids), or Rolling Terrace, Ashburton, or College Gardens (900 students).

I'm not sure Wood Acres would even hit the top 10% of largest schools in the county.

I responded before reading yours!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

what? Are you talking physical space or enrollment?

It has 670+ kids.

Wims has 1200 kids!

Carson has a 1000.

PBES has a little over 600 but just for 3 grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

what? Are you talking physical space or enrollment?

It has 670+ kids.

Wims has 1200 kids!

Carson has a 1000.

Wims HAD 1200 kids, but then Snowden Farm ES opened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No one is against a boundary change based on geographic reasons. Why would you live in MoCo if you are a racist? Plenty of places to live if you only want to be with your own. What people are annoyed by is putting diversity as the number one priority - which the board did without public comment.

http://northpotomacnews.org/?p=861

Then the Board hires a company that only has done diversity realignments - not boundary studies based on geography.

Then - even though you can buy a house anywhere in the county the extreme liberals say it is segregated (although county does nothing about actually changing this at a housing policy level). So rational folks from all backgrounds are seeing this for what it is - pols in a one party state trying to get a promotion by motivating their base. Nothing more. Finally squishy evidence that having a bright kid sit next to a new immigrant helps the new immigrant at all.

County does nothing?! Where have these people been when droves of PTAs came out to testify at public hearings AGAINST plans that would allow for more diverse housing types to be built? Where was the outcry for more inclusive housing patterns, when the very plans to address some of those housing issues were getting targeted by the ‘involved parents’ who couldn’t stomach the idea of more kids from certain housing types being let into their ‘high quality’ schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is against a boundary change based on geographic reasons. Why would you live in MoCo if you are a racist? Plenty of places to live if you only want to be with your own. What people are annoyed by is putting diversity as the number one priority - which the board did without public comment.

http://northpotomacnews.org/?p=861

Then the Board hires a company that only has done diversity realignments - not boundary studies based on geography.

Then - even though you can buy a house anywhere in the county the extreme liberals say it is segregated (although county does nothing about actually changing this at a housing policy level). So rational folks from all backgrounds are seeing this for what it is - pols in a one party state trying to get a promotion by motivating their base. Nothing more. Finally squishy evidence that having a bright kid sit next to a new immigrant helps the new immigrant at all.

County does nothing?! Where have these people been when droves of PTAs came out to testify at public hearings AGAINST plans that would allow for more diverse housing types to be built? Where was the outcry for more inclusive housing patterns, when the very plans to address some of those housing issues were getting targeted by the ‘involved parents’ who couldn’t stomach the idea of more kids from certain housing types being let into their ‘high quality’ schools?

The PPP is clearly part of the regressive right and basically pro-segregation. They just state it indirectly as cloak a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

what? Are you talking physical space or enrollment?

It has 670+ kids.

Wims has 1200 kids!

Carson has a 1000.

Wims HAD 1200 kids, but then Snowden Farm ES opened.

Correct. Now Wims has 767.
Carson has 893.
Wood Acres has 649.

Ashburton is now the largest ES with 922.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The other dynamic in both Churchill and Wootten is that the elementary schools especially the younger grades are always under capacity and then the high schools end up over capacity. Part of this is that the houses are more expensive so you have more people moving out of their starter homes in other clusters and into their forever homes when their kids are older. The other part is people fleeing their bad cluster before high school or middle school.

I wouldn’t say Wood Acres and Bradley Hills are under capacity.

They are both under capacity. But neither is in Churchill or Wootton clusters.

Woodacres is one of the biggest elementary schools in MoCo

what? Are you talking physical space or enrollment?

It has 670+ kids.

Wims has 1200 kids!

Carson has a 1000.

Wims HAD 1200 kids, but then Snowden Farm ES opened.

Correct. Now Wims has 767.
Carson has 893.
Wood Acres has 649.

Ashburton is now the largest ES with 922.

Are there many schools with 200+ per grade?