Grandpa from Cruise ship tragedy charged

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Anonymous wrote:Lawyer's not willing to file suit until he sees the tape and makes sure grandpa isn't lying.

PP here (who keep identifying as PP) - this is what I am hung up on. Why on earth would the family and the lawyer go on television and announce that they plan to file suit without having seen the tape?

At that point, there was no confirmation that there was a tape, right? But then there was, and now they seem to be backtracking.

Okay, I was given the impression by Lester what's his name on the news tonight that the charges were made against the grandfather because of the tape.

They were hoping for a quick buck and were banking on RC settling with them to avoid bad publicity. I doubt they thought that so many in the public would be against them, nor did they think Grandpa would be charged. I’d be surprised if RC didn’t initially offer them money. Probably wasn’t what they hoped for.

This is where I am with this - the ambulance chaser thought they would get a settlement, found out RC has a tape, the narrative was changed, still no settlement - so RC is holding out for the family to back down?

How could they not know there are cameras everywhere on a cruise ship?

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Anonymous wrote:Lawyer's not willing to file suit until he sees the tape and makes sure grandpa isn't lying.

PP here (who keep identifying as PP) - this is what I am hung up on. Why on earth would the family and the lawyer go on television and announce that they plan to file suit without having seen the tape?

At that point, there was no confirmation that there was a tape, right? But then there was, and now they seem to be backtracking.

Okay, I was given the impression by Lester what's his name on the news tonight that the charges were made against the grandfather because of the tape.

They were hoping for a quick buck and were banking on RC settling with them to avoid bad publicity. I doubt they thought that so many in the public would be against them, nor did they think Grandpa would be charged. I’d be surprised if RC didn’t initially offer them money. Probably wasn’t what they hoped for.

This is where I am with this - the ambulance chaser thought they would get a settlement, found out RC has a tape, the narrative was changed, still no settlement - so RC is holding out for the family to back down?

How could they not know there are cameras everywhere on a cruise ship?

You and I would, but not everyone would know - not sure why - some people just don't take that into consideration.

[Anonymous]

This is the latest take on it I've seen:

Winkleman said to NBC News Tuesday that the family has no reason to doubt Anello's story and would like to see surveillance footage from the incident.

"We know what Sam's version of the events were, and I have no reason to doubt what he said," Winkleman said. "Having said that, a picture is worth a thousand words and a video is worth 10,000 words."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-of-toddler-who-fell-from-cruise-ship-utterly-crushed-after-grandfather-charged/ar-AAJyyOp?ocid=spartandhp

Yes. Yes, counselor, it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the latest take on it I've seen:

Winkleman said to NBC News Tuesday that the family has no reason to doubt Anello's story and would like to see surveillance footage from the incident.

"We know what Sam's version of the events were, and I have no reason to doubt what he said," Winkleman said. "Having said that, a picture is worth a thousand words and a video is worth 10,000 words."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-of-toddler-who-fell-from-cruise-ship-utterly-crushed-after-grandfather-charged/ar-AAJyyOp?ocid=spartandhp

Yes. Yes, counselor, it is.

I thought that the cruise ship offered to show the family the video right after the tragedy occurred and the parents did not want to see it. Then once they started to talk about suing the cruise line the cruise line was put on the defensive and was no longer ready to share the video with them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wasn't aware that the mom was an attorney although I did know that the dad was a cop. I guess professionally they knew that Grandpa could be in big trouble and were trying to get the cruise ship to accept blame for the incident. It's probably been more a matter of mitigating any further damage to their family (court costs for Grandpa along with him possibly going to jail). Plus, they probably *needed* to believe that the cruise ship was responsible for this nightmare. Believing that Grandpa was responsible was too much for all of them...

I agree that given the parents' background the spin about RC negligence and the threatened lawsuit are more about establishing a narrative to protect Grandpa against criminal liability than about money grubbing. They may have been hoping that by adamantly standing behind him, insisting on the story that he didn't know the window was open, they are building the narrative for the criminal defense. Perhaps they were hoping to influence against the filing of charges or creating enough doubt in potential jurors. And, they were hoping that if RC accepted some blame in any form, it would help protect Grandpa from criminal conviction.

They haven't filed anything yet because they're not seeking quick bucks. They (1) were hoping to avoid criminal charges and waiting to see if they were brought; (2) know that if he's found guilty, there's no point to a lawsuit; and (3) know that if he's exonerated any lawsuit's prospects are much better.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wasn't aware that the mom was an attorney although I did know that the dad was a cop. I guess professionally they knew that Grandpa could be in big trouble and were trying to get the cruise ship to accept blame for the incident. It's probably been more a matter of mitigating any further damage to their family (court costs for Grandpa along with him possibly going to jail). Plus, they probably *needed* to believe that the cruise ship was responsible for this nightmare. Believing that Grandpa was responsible was too much for all of them...

I agree that given the parents' background the spin about RC negligence and the threatened lawsuit are more about establishing a narrative to protect Grandpa against criminal liability than about money grubbing. They may have been hoping that by adamantly standing behind him, insisting on the story that he didn't know the window was open, they are building the narrative for the criminal defense. Perhaps they were hoping to influence against the filing of charges or creating enough doubt in potential jurors. And, they were hoping that if RC accepted some blame in any form, it would help protect Grandpa from criminal conviction.

They haven't filed anything yet because they're not seeking quick bucks. They (1) were hoping to avoid criminal charges and waiting to see if they were brought; (2) know that if he's found guilty, there's no point to a lawsuit; and (3) know that if he's exonerated any lawsuit's prospects are much better.

Agreed. This is a terribly sad and tragic situation for that entire family.

[Anonymous]

Just to bring home the point of you just never know.. it was a grandmother who threw her grandchild off the Tysons Corner Mall walkway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the latest take on it I've seen:

Winkleman said to NBC News Tuesday that the family has no reason to doubt Anello's story and would like to see surveillance footage from the incident.

"We know what Sam's version of the events were, and I have no reason to doubt what he said," Winkleman said. "Having said that, a picture is worth a thousand words and a video is worth 10,000 words."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-of-toddler-who-fell-from-cruise-ship-utterly-crushed-after-grandfather-charged/ar-AAJyyOp?ocid=spartandhp

Yes. Yes, counselor, it is.

I thought that the cruise ship offered to show the family the video right after the tragedy occurred and the parents did not want to see it. Then once they started to talk about suing the cruise line the cruise line was put on the defensive and was no longer ready to share the video with them.

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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wasn't aware that the mom was an attorney although I did know that the dad was a cop. I guess professionally they knew that Grandpa could be in big trouble and were trying to get the cruise ship to accept blame for the incident. It's probably been more a matter of mitigating any further damage to their family (court costs for Grandpa along with him possibly going to jail). Plus, they probably *needed* to believe that the cruise ship was responsible for this nightmare. Believing that Grandpa was responsible was too much for all of them...

I agree that given the parents' background the spin about RC negligence and the threatened lawsuit are more about establishing a narrative to protect Grandpa against criminal liability than about money grubbing. They may have been hoping that by adamantly standing behind him, insisting on the story that he didn't know the window was open, they are building the narrative for the criminal defense. Perhaps they were hoping to influence against the filing of charges or creating enough doubt in potential jurors. And, they were hoping that if RC accepted some blame in any form, it would help protect Grandpa from criminal conviction.

They haven't filed anything yet because they're not seeking quick bucks. They (1) were hoping to avoid criminal charges and waiting to see if they were brought; (2) know that if he's found guilty, there's no point to a lawsuit; and (3) know that if he's exonerated any lawsuit's prospects are much better.

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But do you think the family or their lawyer gave the possibilities that much aforethought?

I do agree this is one of the worst possible things that could happen to anyone. That poor family.

[Anonymous]

I think being a toddler, she might have kicked/launched herself from the rail, became top heavy, and fell. The whole thing was obviously a horrible accident, and I bet it happened unbelievably quickly. PP here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wasn't aware that the mom was an attorney although I did know that the dad was a cop. I guess professionally they knew that Grandpa could be in big trouble and were trying to get the cruise ship to accept blame for the incident. It's probably been more a matter of mitigating any further damage to their family (court costs for Grandpa along with him possibly going to jail). Plus, they probably *needed* to believe that the cruise ship was responsible for this nightmare. Believing that Grandpa was responsible was too much for all of them...

I agree that given the parents' background the spin about RC negligence and the threatened lawsuit are more about establishing a narrative to protect Grandpa against criminal liability than about money grubbing. They may have been hoping that by adamantly standing behind him, insisting on the story that he didn't know the window was open, they are building the narrative for the criminal defense. Perhaps they were hoping to influence against the filing of charges or creating enough doubt in potential jurors. And, they were hoping that if RC accepted some blame in any form, it would help protect Grandpa from criminal conviction.

They haven't filed anything yet because they're not seeking quick bucks. They (1) were hoping to avoid criminal charges and waiting to see if they were brought; (2) know that if he's found guilty, there's no point to a lawsuit; and (3) know that if he's exonerated any lawsuit's prospects are much better.

Agreed. This is a terribly sad and tragic situation for that entire family.

Given the family's behavior in this makes me less sympathy for them. If anything, I think this was sad and tragic for the OTHER passengers who had to witness this and had their vacations ruined. This is sad and tragic for the crew members of the ship. This is sad and tragic for the brother, who as a child has no control over the family's actions. But the parents and grandparents? Not so much.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, I wasn't aware that the mom was an attorney although I did know that the dad was a cop. I guess professionally they knew that Grandpa could be in big trouble and were trying to get the cruise ship to accept blame for the incident. It's probably been more a matter of mitigating any further damage to their family (court costs for Grandpa along with him possibly going to jail). Plus, they probably *needed* to believe that the cruise ship was responsible for this nightmare. Believing that Grandpa was responsible was too much for all of them...

I agree that given the parents' background the spin about RC negligence and the threatened lawsuit are more about establishing a narrative to protect Grandpa against criminal liability than about money grubbing. They may have been hoping that by adamantly standing behind him, insisting on the story that he didn't know the window was open, they are building the narrative for the criminal defense. Perhaps they were hoping to influence against the filing of charges or creating enough doubt in potential jurors. And, they were hoping that if RC accepted some blame in any form, it would help protect Grandpa from criminal conviction.

They haven't filed anything yet because they're not seeking quick bucks. They (1) were hoping to avoid criminal charges and waiting to see if they were brought; (2) know that if he's found guilty, there's no point to a lawsuit; and (3) know that if he's exonerated any lawsuit's prospects are much better.

Agreed. This is a terribly sad and tragic situation for that entire family.

Given the family's behavior in this makes me less sympathy for them. If anything, I think this was sad and tragic for the OTHER passengers who had to witness this and had their vacations ruined. This is sad and tragic for the crew members of the ship. This is sad and tragic for the brother, who as a child has no control over the family's actions. But the parents and grandparents? Not so much.

Easy to say that from where you sit. You have NO IDEA how you'd react in some sort of similar tragedy. None.
You also are severely lacking in compassion.

I genuinely detest the litigious nature of society, as a whole. This seems like an accident, period. And while tragic, I don't see where anything civil (or criminal) will provide redress for what happened-nor should it. Having said that, I still feel compassion for this family that LOST THEIR CHILD. You're a disgusting person.

[Anonymous]

What if the video shows that grandpa was the one who opened the window?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Lawyer's not willing to file suit until he sees the tape and makes sure grandpa isn't lying.

PP here (who keep identifying as PP) - this is what I am hung up on. Why on earth would the family and the lawyer go on television and announce that they plan to file suit without having seen the tape?

At that point, there was no confirmation that there was a tape, right? But then there was, and now they seem to be backtracking.

Okay, I was given the impression by Lester what's his name on the news tonight that the charges were made against the grandfather because of the tape.

They were hoping for a quick buck and were banking on RC settling with them to avoid bad publicity. I doubt they thought that so many in the public would be against them, nor did they think Grandpa would be charged. I’d be surprised if RC didn’t initially offer them money. Probably wasn’t what they hoped for.

This is where I am with this - the ambulance chaser thought they would get a settlement, found out RC has a tape, the narrative was changed, still no settlement - so RC is holding out for the family to back down?

How could they not know there are cameras everywhere on a cruise ship?

You and I would, but not everyone would know - not sure why - some people just don't take that into consideration.

Dad’s a cop. No way he wouldn’t think cameras were around. Not sure what type of lawyer mom is so she might not have immediately thought that. But I would bet $100 their lawyer told them about cameras in the first 15 minutes of their conversation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is the latest take on it I've seen:

Winkleman said to NBC News Tuesday that the family has no reason to doubt Anello's story and would like to see surveillance footage from the incident.

"We know what Sam's version of the events were, and I have no reason to doubt what he said," Winkleman said. "Having said that, a picture is worth a thousand words and a video is worth 10,000 words."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/family-of-toddler-who-fell-from-cruise-ship-utterly-crushed-after-grandfather-charged/ar-AAJyyOp?ocid=spartandhp

Yes. Yes, counselor, it is.

He continues to frame this as grandpa’s version of events. He’s choosing his words carefully.