APS: Elementary Walk Zone surveys out

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If all this was about was walkability, then the SB would have allowed planning units within the 1/2 mile radius to be considered for a school's walk zone. The maps take areas in the walk 1/2 mile zone for Barcroft and move them to within the 1/2 mile zone for Fleet. Those planning units are within the 1/2 mile zone for both schools, but the SB made a decision to include them in Fleet, not Barcroft. How is that not a presumptive boundary change?

From what I see, there are two planning units that have residential units within the half mile walk zone for Barcroft but were not included as candidates for the expanded walk zone. I presume this is because other portions of those units are outside the 1 mile maximum, so not everyone in the planning unit can be considered a walker.

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Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

But what option? The ATS is already even less walkable and more centrally located, immersion doesn’t make a lot of sense there compared to locations with a nearby Spanish speaking population, and the school board said they aren’t considering new option schools, although they would consider moving them.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

But what option? The ATS is already even less walkable and more centrally located, immersion doesn’t make a lot of sense there compared to locations with a nearby Spanish speaking population, and the school board said they aren’t considering new option schools, although they would consider moving them.

If ATS moves, it will be because they want that building for Immersion. I don't think they will move it to make the ATS building a neighborhood school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

But what option? The ATS is already even less walkable and more centrally located, immersion doesn’t make a lot of sense there compared to locations with a nearby Spanish speaking population, and the school board said they aren’t considering new option schools, although they would consider moving them.

If ATS moves, it will be because they want that building for Immersion. I don't think they will move it to make the ATS building a neighborhood school.

ATS to Tuckahoe or Nottingham, immersion to ATS building. ASFS and Key become neighborhood schools. Interesting.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

But what option? The ATS is already even less walkable and more centrally located, immersion doesn’t make a lot of sense there compared to locations with a nearby Spanish speaking population, and the school board said they aren’t considering new option schools, although they would consider moving them.

I actually think that the ATS location probably has as many spanish speaking families as the current Key location. Its all the families zoned for Barrett, which is literally 4 blocks from ATS down George Mason Dr. No, they wouldn't be walkers to ATS, but they are not walkers to Key either. However, the reason they are not walking to either location is busy roads. This is less of an issue for adults- in the same way that the parents can cross Wilson Blvd in Courthouse, they can also cross Wilson Blvd at ATS.

I am really warming to Key to ATS, and ATS to Tuckahoe.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

But what option? The ATS is already even less walkable and more centrally located, immersion doesn’t make a lot of sense there compared to locations with a nearby Spanish speaking population, and the school board said they aren’t considering new option schools, although they would consider moving them.

If ATS moves, it will be because they want that building for Immersion. I don't think they will move it to make the ATS building a neighborhood school.

ATS to Tuckahoe or Nottingham, immersion to ATS building. ASFS and Key become neighborhood schools. Interesting.

Sounds like a great solution!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

But what option? The ATS is already even less walkable and more centrally located, immersion doesn’t make a lot of sense there compared to locations with a nearby Spanish speaking population, and the school board said they aren’t considering new option schools, although they would consider moving them.

I actually think that the ATS location probably has as many spanish speaking families as the current Key location. Its all the families zoned for Barrett, which is literally 4 blocks from ATS down George Mason Dr. No, they wouldn't be walkers to ATS, but they are not walkers to Key either. However, the reason they are not walking to either location is busy roads. This is less of an issue for adults- in the same way that the parents can cross Wilson Blvd in Courthouse, they can also cross Wilson Blvd at ATS.

I am really warming to Key to ATS, and ATS to Tuckahoe.

DP, but I agree. I've been so focused on one-to-one switches between neighborhood and option locations, the idea of a multi-school swap like this didn't occur to me. It's a very interesting solution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

I'd say it'd be worth considering as a second option school of its kind, but not as a unique one. It's a b***h to get to you if live on the other side of the county. Fine when traffic is light but takes like 45 minutes in rush hour. Metro is unreliable.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

I'd say it'd be worth considering as a second option school of its kind, but not as a unique one. It's a b***h to get to you if live on the other side of the county. Fine when traffic is light but takes like 45 minutes in rush hour. Metro is unreliable.

Something’s gotta give. We have too many location restrictions already.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

I'd say it'd be worth considering as a second option school of its kind, but not as a unique one. It's a b***h to get to you if live on the other side of the county. Fine when traffic is light but takes like 45 minutes in rush hour. Metro is unreliable.

Something’s gotta give. We have too many location restrictions already.

Probably, but we should be honest with ourselves that the idea of moving an option school to Tuckahoe s popular in this thread because it's ATS we're talking about, probably the most in demand option school, and Tuckahoe is a wealthy area. I understand that the other option schools have location requirements - native speakers, natural environment, etc. But moving ATS to the northwest corner of the county is going to result in a less diverse school. It's just really hard to get to from the more modest neighborhoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

I'd say it'd be worth considering as a second option school of its kind, but not as a unique one. It's a b***h to get to you if live on the other side of the county. Fine when traffic is light but takes like 45 minutes in rush hour. Metro is unreliable.

Something’s gotta give. We have too many location restrictions already.

Probably, but we should be honest with ourselves that the idea of moving an option school to Tuckahoe s popular in this thread because it's ATS we're talking about, probably the most in demand option school, and Tuckahoe is a wealthy area. I understand that the other option schools have location requirements - native speakers, natural environment, etc. But moving ATS to the northwest corner of the county is going to result in a less diverse school. It's just really hard to get to from the more modest neighborhoods.

I’m pp and I agree. I wish that the board would consider another option school, and I wonder why they aren’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

I'd say it'd be worth considering as a second option school of its kind, but not as a unique one. It's a b***h to get to you if live on the other side of the county. Fine when traffic is light but takes like 45 minutes in rush hour. Metro is unreliable.

Something’s gotta give. We have too many location restrictions already.

Probably, but we should be honest with ourselves that the idea of moving an option school to Tuckahoe s popular in this thread because it's ATS we're talking about, probably the most in demand option school, and Tuckahoe is a wealthy area. I understand that the other option schools have location requirements - native speakers, natural environment, etc. But moving ATS to the northwest corner of the county is going to result in a less diverse school. It's just really hard to get to from the more modest neighborhoods.

I’m pp and I agree. I wish that the board would consider another option school, and I wonder why they aren’t.

If nothing else, there isn't enough time to properly develop a new option school and open a lottery by the time they need to start moving boundaries.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

I'd say it'd be worth considering as a second option school of its kind, but not as a unique one. It's a b***h to get to you if live on the other side of the county. Fine when traffic is light but takes like 45 minutes in rush hour. Metro is unreliable.

Something’s gotta give. We have too many location restrictions already.

Probably, but we should be honest with ourselves that the idea of moving an option school to Tuckahoe s popular in this thread because it's ATS we're talking about, probably the most in demand option school, and Tuckahoe is a wealthy area. I understand that the other option schools have location requirements - native speakers, natural environment, etc. But moving ATS to the northwest corner of the county is going to result in a less diverse school. It's just really hard to get to from the more modest neighborhoods.

I’m pp and I agree. I wish that the board would consider another option school, and I wonder why they aren’t.

If nothing else, there isn't enough time to properly develop a new option school and open a lottery by the time they need to start moving boundaries.

I saw somewhere that another option school just draws more UMC kids out of schools and makes those schools worse. Like Barcroft would lose even more students, when its got the lowest capacity already.

But if the county added another choice option in South Arlington, plenty of us would show up.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:And all those kids would have to buses because they can't walk across the Pike. What makes more sense is to move Immersion to Carlin Springs, because it's just not walkable and never will be, and turn Claremont back into a neighborhood school. Really, there will be hundreds of kids in the Frederick Street development and they can't all be bused into Barcroft. They could be walkers to Claremont if it were a neighborhood school.

Similar to Tuckahoe, CS could make sense if you look at it as a not very walkable school. However, Carlin Springs is unique in the way that it provides a huge amount of wrap around support services to its low income population that would be lost if those kids were dispersed to other schools.

Tuckahoe is very attractive as an option school because it has close Metro Rail and frequent Metro Bus / Art along Lee highway.

I'd say it'd be worth considering as a second option school of its kind, but not as a unique one. It's a b***h to get to you if live on the other side of the county. Fine when traffic is light but takes like 45 minutes in rush hour. Metro is unreliable.

Something’s gotta give. We have too many location restrictions already.

Probably, but we should be honest with ourselves that the idea of moving an option school to Tuckahoe s popular in this thread because it's ATS we're talking about, probably the most in demand option school, and Tuckahoe is a wealthy area. I understand that the other option schools have location requirements - native speakers, natural environment, etc. But moving ATS to the northwest corner of the county is going to result in a less diverse school. It's just really hard to get to from the more modest neighborhoods.

I’m pp and I agree. I wish that the board would consider another option school, and I wonder why they aren’t.

If nothing else, there isn't enough time to properly develop a new option school and open a lottery by the time they need to start moving boundaries.

I saw somewhere that another option school just draws more UMC kids out of schools and makes those schools worse. Like Barcroft would lose even more students, when its got the lowest capacity already.

But if the county added another choice option in South Arlington, plenty of us would show up.

The same effect would exist in South Arlington. No matter where the are located, choice schools will disproportionately draw from relatively more well-off families (because they're more likely to have the resources to accommodate the inconveniences of going to a choice school) and from families where parents are more actively engaged in their children's education. This will have the effect of drawing off a disproportionate number of the better-performing students from neighborhood schools in the region, and the overall performance of those neighborhood schools will drop for the students who remain.