Norwood for student working several grade-leves ahead?

[Anonymous]

Folks, please don't assume that you know who is posting. There is a lot hostility flying around, which seems unnecessary, but it's especially disconcerting when it gets hurled at you for something somebody else said. If you were insulted, it might have been by somebody who popped in, made a single post, and left.

We must all care about the needs of bright kids, or we wouldn't be posting on this thread. Could we all agree that some advanced kids do well in private schools, some in public, some when radically accelerated, and some when homeschooled?
Let's agree to disagree about the numbers. Some people here think all kids, regardless of how advanced they are, can thrive in a regular classroom. At the other extreme, some people think that a high percentage of very advanced kids won't thrive in a regular classroom and that few of the most advanced kids will thrive in a regular classroom. I think we can all live with this.

Terms like "advanced," "hg+", and "pg" have been used, but we haven't defined these terms for the purpose of our discussion. Both hg and pg are defined differently by different people. For example, some people follow Davidson's lead and define pg as 145+. Others use the term to describe kids with deviation IQs that correspond to the old ratio IQ of 180. Still others are referring to deviation IQs of 180 and above. Hoagies offers other definitions. Some people, like D Ruf, think pg is better described qualitatively than quantitatively.
Maybe we're arguing apples and oranges..

I don't think any poster on this thread has a pov that is radically different from the next poster. So maybe we could put the machetes away?

I do not quite understand the rant here and beg thee to allow me to agree that we graciously disagree. Thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Folks, please don't assume that you know who is posting. There is a lot hostility flying around, which seems unnecessary, but it's especially disconcerting when it gets hurled at you for something somebody else said. If you were insulted, it might have been by somebody who popped in, made a single post, and left.

We must all care about the needs of bright kids, or we wouldn't be posting on this thread. Could we all agree that some advanced kids do well in private schools, some in public, some when radically accelerated, and some when homeschooled?
Let's agree to disagree about the numbers. Some people here think all kids, regardless of how advanced they are, can thrive in a regular classroom. At the other extreme, some people think that a high percentage of very advanced kids won't thrive in a regular classroom and that few of the most advanced kids will thrive in a regular classroom. I think we can all live with this.

Terms like "advanced," "hg+", and "pg" have been used, but we haven't defined these terms for the purpose of our discussion. Both hg and pg are defined differently by different people. For example, some people follow Davidson's lead and define pg as 145+. Others use the term to describe kids with deviation IQs that correspond to the old ratio IQ of 180. Still others are referring to deviation IQs of 180 and above. Hoagies offers other definitions. Some people, like D Ruf, think pg is better described qualitatively than quantitatively.
Maybe we're arguing apples and oranges..

I don't think any poster on this thread has a pov that is radically different from the next poster. So maybe we could put the machetes away?

I do not quite understand the rant here and beg thee to allow me to agree that we graciously disagree. Thanks.

My position is actually that some PG kids can thrive in a regular classroom. Including me, who did. Again, we're back to shades of grey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I've read several enlightening posts about Takoma Park. Which one are you laying claim to smartie pants?

8:59, which somebody thanked me for in 9:55.

But I posted that before I got called dumb, "smartie-pants" and told I'm unable to deal with complex ideas. Despite the fact that I'm PG with one kid in TPMS and another kid in another MoCo magnet.

See? There are consequences to acting like an a$$hole. Whether the a$$hole(s) are 9:55 or some other poster, in the end 9:55 isn't going to get answers to her questions about TPMS, because I'm outta here. Actions have consequences, just like I tell my kids.

Most of you seem really unpleasant and I don't want you in my living room via my computer. So I'm logging off now. I'll leave the rest of you guys go ahead and play out your inner needs to be victims (woe is me! I have a smart kid and nobody understands me! It's all about me and my success or failure on DCUM!). Or your needs to be trolls (the forked tongue poster).

[Anonymous]

PP, then you and I agree, to the extent that you are not using the most stringent definition of pg.

You seem to have attributed some posts to me that I didn't make. I'm pretty sure that if we were having this discussion IRL that we would find very little to disagree about.

[Anonymous]

I'm willing to take bets that one of the trolls here is behind this thread: http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/240/130725.page. She has an interest in giftedness and, after she was called on some nutty posts on a recent MoCo gifted thread, she admitted she was the same person.

She's truly insane - read a few pages of her sock-puppetting herself on the Alexandria Academy thread.

Now that she's here, this thread is ruined. It will be impossible to have a rational conversation. I can't figure out of she's truly insane, or just a troll faking insanity, but either way there's no point trying to have a conversation with her around.

[Anonymous]

By PP, I meant 11:23 not 11:39.

[Anonymous]

11:46 She certainly seems insane. I think both the original topic about Norwood and the tangent about gifted kids in regular classrooms are both exhausted anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:PP, then you and I agree, to the extent that you are not using the most stringent definition of pg.

You seem to have attributed some posts to me that I didn't make. I'm pretty sure that if we were having this discussion IRL that we would find very little to disagree about.

How do you know what definition of PG she's using? Just curious, because she said 150-160 which would seem to cover both definitions.

Yes, this thread is exhausted.

[Anonymous]

Reviver back again - sorry to see the thread exploding into negativity again. Thanks again to the people who have helped answer my questions. And sorry if your answers helped fuel the fires

To the poster of the TPMS answer - thanks for your post. It's nice that older kids can be accellerated in MCPS. I have seen it first hand as I have a co-worker whose two MCPS kids finished Calc BC by 10th grade by being accellerated (both attended the Grade4/5 GT program, one attended TPMS but the other not - both ended in the same spot).

The harder part is what happens for the really little kids in K-3. There just seems to be no place for a kid entering K who has always "loved and understood" numbers...to the extent that the child is at a 2nd-3rd grade math proficiency before even starting K (we are not talking surface level understanding but depth as well).

For us, the goal isn't really accelleration to level x, y or z but to make sure that that "spark" isn't snuffed out. We are hoping to find something that will work and are looking broadly and open to ideas and advice. We know that all kids are different and what works for some might not work for others...and that works for a given child at age x might not work for them at age y.

That is why having this resource is so nice...as long as it can remain civil so people with various experiences will continue to share them with others without fear of being attacked or questioned. As we progress through this jouney it is nice to have some ideas of what sorts of options are out there. And one day - down the road - I would love to be on the giving side to help others who face similar situations and are looking for various options themselves.

So - thanks again for those of you who have been sharing.

[Anonymous]

Well put 12:01. Look into the Davidson Young Scholar program for your child or try posting on GTA Letters or Tagmax. GTA Letters is local, but there are also local DYS and Tagmax parents. If you end up homeschooling, look into the DC Metro Gifted Homeschooling group.

[Anonymous]

The last post is sage advice. If you have a child that even comes close to meeting the bar for a Davidson Young Scholar (DYS) this is where I would go for support for your child. The Institute will assist you in getting appropriate placement in schools and will provide recommendation letters, resources and financial aid (if needed) for a myriad of supplememtal programs, camps, on-line materials and other children and parents with similar interests, goals and ambitions. It's far more useful than DCUMMIE dribble (on this subject) from individuals with neither knowledge of these unique needs nor children that would qualify. The Institute and DYS and their families remain discreet and private. There's a wealth of information harnessed within this group for almost any scenario imagined.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The last post is sage advice. If you have a child that even comes close to meeting the bar for a Davidson Young Scholar (DYS) this is where I would go for support for your child. The Institute will assist you in getting appropriate placement in schools and will provide recommendation letters, resources and financial aid (if needed) for a myriad of supplememtal programs, camps, on-line materials and other children and parents with similar interests, goals and ambitions. It's far more useful than DCUMMIE dribble (on this subject) from individuals with neither knowledge of these unique needs nor children that would qualify. The Institute and DYS and their families remain discreet and private. There's a wealth of information harnessed within this group for almost any scenario imagined.

You mean drivel, not dribble. I hope you're not one of the posters calling other posters stupid. Although when you go on to insinuate that people who disagree with you must never have met a PG kid, let alone raised one, I start to worry that you are one of these other aggressively nasty posters....

[Anonymous]

Thanks for the correction. Both words work despite my violation of the idiom. You get my drift?
For posters interested in this topic I would refer them to the Davidson Institute. Furthermore, if they have children who may potentially qualify as DYS then this is the place to be. It will filter out the noise and provide a private and secure haven for real life advice and guidance for your child/family until the're off to college ... and beyond. Great professional advise and comaraderie.

Not sure I understand the "policewoman" role and what if anything my advice or post bears on this. We look forward to further instructions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The last post is sage advice. If you have a child that even comes close to meeting the bar for a Davidson Young Scholar (DYS) this is where I would go for support for your child. The Institute will assist you in getting appropriate placement in schools and will provide recommendation letters, resources and financial aid (if needed) for a myriad of supplememtal programs, camps, on-line materials and other children and parents with similar interests, goals and ambitions. It's far more useful than DCUMMIE dribble (on this subject) from individuals with neither knowledge of these unique needs nor children that would qualify. The Institute and DYS and their families remain discreet and private. There's a wealth of information harnessed within this group for almost any scenario imagined.

You mean drivel, not dribble. I hope you're not one of the posters calling other posters stupid. Although when you go on to insinuate that people who disagree with you must never have met a PG kid, let alone raised one, I start to worry that you are one of these other aggressively nasty posters....

If you do a search for other threads where she calls people "DCUMMIE" -- there are several -- you can make an informed judgment about whether she's an aggressive nasty poster.

[Anonymous]

I never participated in tagmax, but some DYS families use it as much as, or more than, private elists. Some of the most knowledgeable YS parents are active on tagmax, and anybody can join. It's a great option if you have a child with characteristics of a pg child, but who doesn't test well or isn't a YS for other reasons.