Paul Manafort Told to Surrender

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html

Zilch to do with campaign.

You don't understand how prosectors work. But it will be tied together later on. They had to file this now because of some statute of limitations expiring on certain of the counts.

Yes, Mueller has evidence but just went after Manafort as a first step. Please! He's got nothing and hoping Manafort will gift him something.

Pathetic. Poor unfortunate souls.

Actually, the charges levied are the easiest to prosecute and reports indicate a statue of limitations expiring, hence the need to issue these indictments now. If you think this is it, you will be very disappointed.

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Anonymous wrote:The conspiracy against the US charge is 18 USC 371. Tax stuff, failure to disclose, failure to pay taxes, etc. Starting with the smallest fish first.

When they have big fish stuff, they don't need the small fish.

Apparently small fish is all they got.

Waste o' time and money.

Bigger fish would have leaked. For sure. Agreed

How much bigger can you get than the campaign manager? The more sober among us thought that probably this would start with someone who no one had really heard of before - someone like Gates, actually. This is really huge. Not as big as a hamburger emoji, I give you that - I mean, what is bigger than a hamburger emoji, really? - but pretty f*cking enormous.

So where's the rest of it? Ah, no where. Manafort is it. Wow. From before campaign. The fact you all are thinking there's a huge payload lurking is comical. They don't f-k with a years ago tax return if they have anything good.

This is just the lowest of the low hanging fruit. You don't think this is all, do you? This is going to be many people, many more months of indictments and then years of prosecution.

Source and citations?

It's opinion, but there is prima facie evidence in the public domain against many Trump operatives including his family members. I don't rely on Fox.

Me either, as I don't waste my time owning a tv.

Your opinion is great for you, enjoy. But it's not fact.

Do you know what is fact? Trump's campaign manager is under indictment for hiding tens of millions of dollars he received for advancing the interests of Vladimir Putin.

Source that cites Putin? Please post link.

Really?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Yanukovych is the former Presdient of Ukraine and the origination of Manaforts money.

http://www.politifact.com/global-news/article/2016/may/02/paul-manafort-donald-trumps-top-adviser-and-his-ti/

http://www.breitbartunmasked.com/2016/07/25/paul-manafort-the-vladimir-putin-connection/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/30/donald-trump-paul-manafort-ukraine-russia-putin-ties

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/09/24/manaforts-russia-connection-what-you-need-to-know-about-oleg-deripaska/?utm_term=.7adc773f6f02

Putin is in the news but not indictment.

this is what's in indictment:

WASHINGTON — Paul Manafort and his former business associate were indicted on Monday on money laundering, tax and foreign lobbying charges, a significant escalation in a special counsel investigation that has cast a shadow over President Trump’s first year in office.

Mr. Manafort, the president’s former campaign chairman, and his longtime associate Rick Gates, surrendered to the FBI on Monday. The special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, said Mr. Manafort laundered more than $18 million to buy properties and services.

“Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States without paying taxes on that income,” the indictment reads.

Mr. Gates is accused of transferring more than $3 million from offshore accounts. The two are also charged with making false statements.

“As part of the scheme, Manafort and Gates repeatedly provided false information to financial bookkeepers, tax accountants and legal counsel, among others,” the indictment read.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/politics/paul-manafort-indicted.html

The indictment refers to the money.

Follow the money.

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Anonymous wrote:No 'collusion.'Just alleged tax and paperwork failings during the time he worked 4 podesta group/Clinton Foundation. The lying msm bastards, and the mooks here lapping it up.

Federal criminal tax evasion charges result in prison time with virtual certainty unlike any other sort of federal charge.

A small sampling of high profile ex-cons would beg to differ with your dismissive characterization of these charges:

Walter Anderson

An American entrepreneur, Mr. Anderson made his millions after the breakup of AT&T. He was convicted for evading more than $200 million in taxes. It is reported that in 1998, he paid $495 in taxes on $67,939 of income. For this he got 9 years in a federal pen.

Paul Daugardas

In a case dubbed by federal prosecutors as “the biggest criminal tax fraud in history,” former attorney Daugardas received a 15 year prison sentence for helping clients evade taxes. He was convicted of creating a fraudulent tax shelter that would create fake loss to reduce the tax bills of the extremely wealthy. During its operation, the tax shelter generated more than $7 billion in fraudulent losses, creating $1.6 billion in lost tax revenue.

Martha Stewart

Did 5 months in the fed pen and 5 months home confinement for securities fraud and tax evasion.

and of course, the granddaddy of them all, Al Capone.

Federal prosecutors get a rigid, unsatiable, hard-on for celebrity tax evasion cases. They are some of the very best lawyers in the country and their careers are made with these cases. They do not bring them unless they can win. I am a tax attorney and deal with them on a regular basis. They'll make you take a plea, but you will do time.

Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

Either Trump's judgment is so poor that he hired Manafort, a criminal (alleged), with no inkling of Manafort's connections to Russia, or Trump's judgment is so poor that he hire Manafort, a criminal (alleged), with an inkling of Manafort's connections to Russia. Which sounds better?

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Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

Do you understand the source of the money the Manafort was laundering?

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Anonymous wrote:No 'collusion.'Just alleged tax and paperwork failings during the time he worked 4 podesta group/Clinton Foundation. The lying msm bastards, and the mooks here lapping it up.

Federal criminal tax evasion charges result in prison time with virtual certainty unlike any other sort of federal charge.

A small sampling of high profile ex-cons would beg to differ with your dismissive characterization of these charges:

Walter Anderson

An American entrepreneur, Mr. Anderson made his millions after the breakup of AT&T. He was convicted for evading more than $200 million in taxes. It is reported that in 1998, he paid $495 in taxes on $67,939 of income. For this he got 9 years in a federal pen.

Paul Daugardas

In a case dubbed by federal prosecutors as “the biggest criminal tax fraud in history,” former attorney Daugardas received a 15 year prison sentence for helping clients evade taxes. He was convicted of creating a fraudulent tax shelter that would create fake loss to reduce the tax bills of the extremely wealthy. During its operation, the tax shelter generated more than $7 billion in fraudulent losses, creating $1.6 billion in lost tax revenue.

Martha Stewart

Did 5 months in the fed pen and 5 months home confinement for securities fraud and tax evasion.

and of course, the granddaddy of them all, Al Capone.

Federal prosecutors get a rigid, unsatiable, hard-on for celebrity tax evasion cases. They are some of the very best lawyers in the country and their careers are made with these cases. They do not bring them unless they can win. I am a tax attorney and deal with them on a regular basis. They'll make you take a plea, but you will do time.

Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

These charges are a means to an end, not the end in themselves. In case you missed it, Manafort was heading Trump's campaign at the time when the campaign had contacts with Russian agents.

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Federal prosecutors are to be TOTALLY distinguished from local state prosecutors (who are elected rune for office every few years) and are some the weakest lawyers in the bar. Federal prosecutors are the top of their class, crazily stellar resuméd apple polishers of the bar. They are seasoned, smart and they win 95% of the cases that they bring into court.

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Anonymous wrote:Wow 12-count indictment now unsealed includes conspiracy against the United States.

The indictment contains 12 counts: conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading FARA statements, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts.

http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-us-canada-41805324

Oh, hold on to your hats, peeps. This is going down.

It's irrelevant. Has nothing to do with the President.

All indications are the indictment involves his financial dealings prior to the very few months he was the President's campaign manager.

Yet another nothingburger.

You think it's OK for our President to have hired a campaign manager who had criminal financial dealings with the Russians?!? How is that a "nothing burger" in your mind?

Apparently Mueller’s mind also, as nothing in indictment concerns the campaign.

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Anonymous wrote:Next step: Get the reluctant Manafort to cooperate and explain what was really going on with Russia and the campaign. Will Manafort turn or will he take the fall for the campaign's collusion with Russia?

The Podesta brothers are more closely connected to this issue than Trump. Hope he sings and nets those two pedos.

Oh, so they are big fish, but Manafort is not? Sure, Jan.

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Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

Do you understand the source of the money the Manafort was laundering?

PP probably thinks that money is the profit from the sex slave ring at Comet Pizza.

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Russke kosher mob money

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Anonymous wrote:No 'collusion.'Just alleged tax and paperwork failings during the time he worked 4 podesta group/Clinton Foundation. The lying msm bastards, and the mooks here lapping it up.

Federal criminal tax evasion charges result in prison time with virtual certainty unlike any other sort of federal charge.

A small sampling of high profile ex-cons would beg to differ with your dismissive characterization of these charges:

Walter Anderson

An American entrepreneur, Mr. Anderson made his millions after the breakup of AT&T. He was convicted for evading more than $200 million in taxes. It is reported that in 1998, he paid $495 in taxes on $67,939 of income. For this he got 9 years in a federal pen.

Paul Daugardas

In a case dubbed by federal prosecutors as “the biggest criminal tax fraud in history,” former attorney Daugardas received a 15 year prison sentence for helping clients evade taxes. He was convicted of creating a fraudulent tax shelter that would create fake loss to reduce the tax bills of the extremely wealthy. During its operation, the tax shelter generated more than $7 billion in fraudulent losses, creating $1.6 billion in lost tax revenue.

Martha Stewart

Did 5 months in the fed pen and 5 months home confinement for securities fraud and tax evasion.

and of course, the granddaddy of them all, Al Capone.

Federal prosecutors get a rigid, unsatiable, hard-on for celebrity tax evasion cases. They are some of the very best lawyers in the country and their careers are made with these cases. They do not bring them unless they can win. I am a tax attorney and deal with them on a regular basis. They'll make you take a plea, but you will do time.

Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

These charges are a means to an end, not the end in themselves. In case you missed it, Manafort was heading Trump's campaign at the time when the campaign had contacts with Russian agents.

No, he wasn’t. Nothing about campaign is in indictment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No 'collusion.'Just alleged tax and paperwork failings during the time he worked 4 podesta group/Clinton Foundation. The lying msm bastards, and the mooks here lapping it up.

Federal criminal tax evasion charges result in prison time with virtual certainty unlike any other sort of federal charge.

A small sampling of high profile ex-cons would beg to differ with your dismissive characterization of these charges:

Walter Anderson

An American entrepreneur, Mr. Anderson made his millions after the breakup of AT&T. He was convicted for evading more than $200 million in taxes. It is reported that in 1998, he paid $495 in taxes on $67,939 of income. For this he got 9 years in a federal pen.

Paul Daugardas

In a case dubbed by federal prosecutors as “the biggest criminal tax fraud in history,” former attorney Daugardas received a 15 year prison sentence for helping clients evade taxes. He was convicted of creating a fraudulent tax shelter that would create fake loss to reduce the tax bills of the extremely wealthy. During its operation, the tax shelter generated more than $7 billion in fraudulent losses, creating $1.6 billion in lost tax revenue.

Martha Stewart

Did 5 months in the fed pen and 5 months home confinement for securities fraud and tax evasion.

and of course, the granddaddy of them all, Al Capone.

Federal prosecutors get a rigid, unsatiable, hard-on for celebrity tax evasion cases. They are some of the very best lawyers in the country and their careers are made with these cases. They do not bring them unless they can win. I am a tax attorney and deal with them on a regular basis. They'll make you take a plea, but you will do time.

Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

These charges are a means to an end, not the end in themselves. In case you missed it, Manafort was heading Trump's campaign at the time when the campaign had contacts with Russian agents.

No, he wasn’t. Nothing about campaign is in indictment.

Your second sentence might be true for now, bu your first sentence is definitely not true.

[Anonymous]

If the charges are being filed because of the statute of limitations, it’s because the tax crimes occurred before Trump’s campaign. Duh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No 'collusion.'Just alleged tax and paperwork failings during the time he worked 4 podesta group/Clinton Foundation. The lying msm bastards, and the mooks here lapping it up.

Federal criminal tax evasion charges result in prison time with virtual certainty unlike any other sort of federal charge.

A small sampling of high profile ex-cons would beg to differ with your dismissive characterization of these charges:

Walter Anderson

An American entrepreneur, Mr. Anderson made his millions after the breakup of AT&T. He was convicted for evading more than $200 million in taxes. It is reported that in 1998, he paid $495 in taxes on $67,939 of income. For this he got 9 years in a federal pen.

Paul Daugardas

In a case dubbed by federal prosecutors as “the biggest criminal tax fraud in history,” former attorney Daugardas received a 15 year prison sentence for helping clients evade taxes. He was convicted of creating a fraudulent tax shelter that would create fake loss to reduce the tax bills of the extremely wealthy. During its operation, the tax shelter generated more than $7 billion in fraudulent losses, creating $1.6 billion in lost tax revenue.

Martha Stewart

Did 5 months in the fed pen and 5 months home confinement for securities fraud and tax evasion.

and of course, the granddaddy of them all, Al Capone.

Federal prosecutors get a rigid, unsatiable, hard-on for celebrity tax evasion cases. They are some of the very best lawyers in the country and their careers are made with these cases. They do not bring them unless they can win. I am a tax attorney and deal with them on a regular basis. They'll make you take a plea, but you will do time.

Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

These charges are a means to an end, not the end in themselves. In case you missed it, Manafort was heading Trump's campaign at the time when the campaign had contacts with Russian agents.

No, he wasn’t. Nothing about campaign is in indictment.

Your second sentence might be true for now, bu your first sentence is definitely not true.

Thank you for your concession. I know it took a lot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No 'collusion.'Just alleged tax and paperwork failings during the time he worked 4 podesta group/Clinton Foundation. The lying msm bastards, and the mooks here lapping it up.

Federal criminal tax evasion charges result in prison time with virtual certainty unlike any other sort of federal charge.

A small sampling of high profile ex-cons would beg to differ with your dismissive characterization of these charges:

Walter Anderson

An American entrepreneur, Mr. Anderson made his millions after the breakup of AT&T. He was convicted for evading more than $200 million in taxes. It is reported that in 1998, he paid $495 in taxes on $67,939 of income. For this he got 9 years in a federal pen.

Paul Daugardas

In a case dubbed by federal prosecutors as “the biggest criminal tax fraud in history,” former attorney Daugardas received a 15 year prison sentence for helping clients evade taxes. He was convicted of creating a fraudulent tax shelter that would create fake loss to reduce the tax bills of the extremely wealthy. During its operation, the tax shelter generated more than $7 billion in fraudulent losses, creating $1.6 billion in lost tax revenue.

Martha Stewart

Did 5 months in the fed pen and 5 months home confinement for securities fraud and tax evasion.

and of course, the granddaddy of them all, Al Capone.

Federal prosecutors get a rigid, unsatiable, hard-on for celebrity tax evasion cases. They are some of the very best lawyers in the country and their careers are made with these cases. They do not bring them unless they can win. I am a tax attorney and deal with them on a regular basis. They'll make you take a plea, but you will do time.

Ok, Manafort evaded taxes. What has that to do with Trump? Nobody thinks Manafort is not going to do time for this. But no connection to Trump and Russia.

These charges are a means to an end, not the end in themselves. In case you missed it, Manafort was heading Trump's campaign at the time when the campaign had contacts with Russian agents.

No, he wasn’t. Nothing about campaign is in indictment.

Manafort and Kushner (I love it!) met with Russian agents IN Trump tower to talk about getting Russian help to win the election! Just because this fact is not yet in any indictments does not mean it didn't happen!