Brown $68K vs. UMich (in-state) $28K

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Anonymous wrote:Whether you want to believe it or not, going to UMich immediately closes some doors. Going to Brown doesn't close any doors.

That's hilarious.

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Anonymous wrote:The idea that Michigan is comparable to an Ivy is laughable.

But is Brown a real Ivy?

(Serious question here, no one in Europe or Asia even knows the school, much less put it at the same level as Harvard or Stanford)

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that Michigan is comparable to an Ivy is laughable.

But is Brown a real Ivy?

(Serious question here, no one in Europe or Asia even knows the school, much less put it at the same level as Harvard or Stanford)

W-t-f, how many kids are going to work in Europe or Asia? Not even 1% per class.

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Anonymous wrote:What door(s) does Michigan close?

I'd answer but the fact you have to ask means it will just go over your head, so I'm not going to waste my time.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What door(s) does Michigan close?

Yes. 2 Brown graduates have won Nobel prizes, whereas 8 UM grads have won. Michigan does not seem to have closed many doors for them.

The difference becomes even more dramatic if one includes faculty nobel laureates. Clearly UM is much bigger and has more of a research focus, so this is not meant to belittle Brown, just to show that UM is a fantastic school that will never hold anyone back.

You also have to consider the Nobel prize rate per student. I'm pretty sure the student body of UM is more than 4x that of Brown.

My anecdote is that my older sister went to UM, and I went to Stanford. I had a job interview several years ago that really turned me off; because, they mentioned that they only interview people from schools like Stanford/Harvard/MIT etc. I mentioned to my sister that I would not want to work at such an arrogant company, and she said she actually understood where they were coming from. She owns a company, and she does feel that some of the elite schools provide a good first tier filter for hiring...despite the fact that she did not attend one (FWIW, she turned down Columbia).

Anyway, UM and Brown will both provide a rich set of opportunities. Fit and finances are probably the most important deciding factors in any college decision.

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I went to University of my home state and when I walked into my first class, a very small honors western civ class, there were 2 people from my high school in it. Dropped it immediately. Otherwise I would occasionally run into people from high school, but we would say hi and that was it.

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People will automatically assume a Brown girl is very smart, interesting, cosmopolitan, progressive, well read, likely wealthy.

Nobody assumes anything about a Michigan grad save for likely above average intelligence.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The idea that Michigan is comparable to an Ivy is laughable.

But is Brown a real Ivy?

(Serious question here, no one in Europe or Asia even knows the school, much less put it at the same level as Harvard or Stanford)

Brown is a real Ivy to elites. But no, the average idiot hasn't ever heard of Brown. If you care to impress plebs like your hairdresser and plumber choose a college with a prominent football team.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What door(s) does Michigan close?

I'd answer but the fact you have to ask means it will just go over your head, so I'm not going to waste my time.

Try me -- I went to more exclusive schools than Brown.

Seriously, if you make a claim like that in a public forum, you should be willing and able to back it up with examples of what you mean (which is, of course, a lower bar than actual evidence). I can't think of anything that someone with a BA from Brown could do that someone with a BA from Michigan would be categorically precluded from doing. (Leaving aside the fact that there are probably a few scholarships (and internal prizes) limited to Brown grads -- which is no doubt true of Michigan as well).

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Anonymous wrote:People will automatically assume a Brown girl is very smart, interesting, cosmopolitan, progressive, well read, likely wealthy.

Nobody assumes anything about a Michigan grad save for likely above average intelligence.

Actually, if the first thing I know about "a Brown girl" is that she's "a Brown girl," I'd assume that the fact that she's introducing herself this way is that she's insecure, status-obsessed, and hasn't accomplished anything meaningful since college.

But in any context where meaningful decisions are being made, gender and college aren't the only information available for forming an impression/making a judgment.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What door(s) does Michigan close?

Yes. 2 Brown graduates have won Nobel prizes, whereas 8 UM grads have won. Michigan does not seem to have closed many doors for them.

The difference becomes even more dramatic if one includes faculty nobel laureates. Clearly UM is much bigger and has more of a research focus, so this is not meant to belittle Brown, just to show that UM is a fantastic school that will never hold anyone back.

You also have to consider the Nobel prize rate per student. I'm pretty sure the student body of UM is more than 4x that of Brown.

My anecdote is that my older sister went to UM, and I went to Stanford. I had a job interview several years ago that really turned me off; because, they mentioned that they only interview people from schools like Stanford/Harvard/MIT etc. I mentioned to my sister that I would not want to work at such an arrogant company, and she said she actually understood where they were coming from. She owns a company, and she does feel that some of the elite schools provide a good first tier filter for hiring...despite the fact that she did not attend one (FWIW, she turned down Columbia).

Anyway, UM and Brown will both provide a rich set of opportunities. Fit and finances are probably the most important deciding factors in any college decision.

This is silly. No company that cares about making money limits their candidates to such a small pool. Even when I was in banking there were recent grads from normal schools.

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http://www.wsj.com/articles/goldman-rethinks-campus-recruiting-efforts-1466709118

[Anonymous]

https://hbr.org/2016/07/how-geography-affects-where-elite-consulting-firms-recruit

[Anonymous]

http://poetsandquantsforundergrads.com/2015/01/07/the-top-feeder-schools-to-google-goldman-sachs-and-more/2/

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http://www.goldmansachs.com/careers/blog/posts/recruiting-events-26aug-09oct-2013.html

A couple years old but most recent I could find (as the WSJ article indicates, Goldman Sachs is changing its recruitment strategy. But Michigan was certainly on the campus visit list previously.