New York teen accepted to all 8 Ivy League schools

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Anonymous wrote:If Nigerians are into academics and science, where are they? I have not heard of any Nigerians at TJ (I have seen 1 from Caribbean Island) and there virtually none (probably 1 or 2) in my son's math/science/engineering classes at his university. 80-90% are Asians/white.

Some of them are using their science degrees to go into medicine; and literally working to find a cure for cancer (and brain trauma). Here's a sampling:


Dr. Bennet Omalu is a Nigerian-American forensic pathologist who conducted the autopsy of Pittsburgh Steelers center Mike Webster, which led to his discovery of a new disease that he named chronic traumatic encephalopathy, or CTE. The movie concussion (starring Will Smith) is about his discovery of CTE’s link with football. He is currently the chief medical examiner of San Joaquin County, Calif. and a professor in the UC Davis Department of Medical Pathology and Laboratory Medicine.

Olufunmilayo I. Olopade is a Nigerian-American hematology oncologist, Associate Dean for Global Health and Walter L. Palmer Distinguished Service Professor in Medicine and Human genetics at the University of Chicago. She also serves as director of the University of Chicago Hospital's Cancer Risk Clinic. She has performed extensive clinical work surrounding the role of the BRCA1 and BRCA2 genes in the incidence of breast cancer in women of African descent. Oh, she was also awarded the MacArthur Foundation MacArthur Foundation “Genius” Award in 2005.

If you are talking about medicine/medical/bio-research, Indians/Asians certainly dominate not Nigerians.

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Anonymous wrote:Laughable that people think she got in because standards were lowered due to her race! How's this for a rigged system?

Standards were not lowered, but URM status gave her a boost compared to other applicants with the same stats. It is not racist to recognize it, but it is unhealthy to judge.
Not being a URM, or a legacy, or a top athlete, or poor first-gen should be factored into one's college admissions plan.

I am okay with your last sentence but not with "Standards were not lowered"... So, are you saying her stats are equal/better to Asian/white applicants? Give me a f'king break.

Here's a bit more on her qualifications:

1. She is her school's valedictorian;
2. She has a GPA of 101.64;
3. She is a finalist in the 2016 Intel Science Talent Search for her research on cement that could help prevent underwater oil rigs from rupturing. She also received an invitation to the White House Science Fair; and
4. She will have taken 13 Advanced Placement courses by the time she graduates.

I don't know her unweighted GPA, but [/b]it was enough to beat EVERY SINGLE WHITE AND ASIAN STUDENT in her graduating class because she's the valedictorian.

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This thread is pathetic and boils down to Asians versus Nigerians. And Asian is so broad. Is there one particular Asian group that is the focus, or are we to assume Asians are monolithic.

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Anonymous wrote:Laughable that people think she got in because standards were lowered due to her race! How's this for a rigged system?

Standards were not lowered, but URM status gave her a boost compared to other applicants with the same stats. It is not racist to recognize it, but it is unhealthy to judge.
Not being a URM, or a legacy, or a top athlete, or poor first-gen should be factored into one's college admissions plan.

I am okay with your last sentence but not with "Standards were not lowered"... So, are you saying her stats are equal/better to Asian/white applicants? Give me a f'king break.

Here's a bit more on her qualifications:

1. She is her school's valedictorian;
2. She has a GPA of 101.64;
3. She is a finalist in the 2016 Intel Science Talent Search for her research on cement that could help prevent underwater oil rigs from rupturing. She also received an invitation to the White House Science Fair; and
4. She will have taken 13 Advanced Placement courses by the time she graduates.

I don't know her unweighted GPA, but it was enough to beat EVERY SINGLE WHITE AND ASIAN STUDENT in her graduating class because she's the valedictorian.

1. She is her school's valedictorian; There are more than 27,000 valedictorians every year!
2. She has a GPA of 101.64; Some pointed out that is similar to 4.03 weighted GPA with 13 APs. That would be roughly 3.6 to 3.7 unweighted gpa depending on the grades in those AP courses.
3. She is a finalist in the 2016 Intel Science Talent Search for her research on cement that could help prevent underwater oil rigs from rupturing. She also received an invitation to the White House Science Fair; Many people in the past have pointed out these competitions are unreliable since we do not know how much is the student's work and how much is not. One of the reason Intel is pulling out of the sponsorship.
4. She will have taken 13 Advanced Placement courses by the time she graduates. There are literally tens of thousand students graduating with more APs not accepted by selective colleges especially Asians.

I don't know her unweighted GPA, but it was enough to beat EVERY SINGLE WHITE AND ASIAN STUDENT in her graduating class because she's the valedictorian.

We can say the same thing about white/Asian valedictorians yet these valedictorians are passed over for the URMs in that same high school in college admissions.

It is estimated that majority if not more of the science fair projects involve substantial assistance from other people. There are many parents writing college essays or paying other people to write college essays.

So I guess your point is to cast doubt on whether she was REALLY qualified to get into these schools compared to other people, and to suggest that she only got in because of her race? The thing is, you can probably level those same critiques at any other applicant's qualifications without knowing the true background story of each, right? It doesn't seem quite fair that you are doubting hers, and not everyone's qualifications. The reality is that most people getting in have hooks. Schools look at more than grades and scores, as they should. To me, her whole story is compelling, and backed up by what seems like an excellent work ethic and scores. Great person to have at any school!

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Anonymous wrote:If Nigerians are into academics and science, where are they? I have not heard of any Nigerians at TJ (I have seen 1 from Caribbean Island) and there virtually none (probably 1 or 2) in my son's math/science/engineering classes at his university. 80-90% are Asians/white.

Your world sounds quite small and VA-centric. Not everyone is interested in the TJ to UVA pipeline. It appears that you'll find all the Nigerians you'll ever need at Ivy League universities. According to this NY Times article, many Nigerians appear a lot more interested in business and finance and, specifically, Harvard Business School. I'll re-post this for your education and enlightenment:

Yes, Amy Chua ("Tiger Mom") wrote about Nigerians in her most recent book. This is from the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/opinion/sunday/what-drives-success.html?_r=0

There are some black and Hispanic groups in America that far outperform some white and Asian groups. Immigrants from many West Indian and African countries, such as Jamaica, Ghana, and Haiti, are climbing America’s higher education ladder, but perhaps the most prominent are Nigerians. Nigerians make up less than 1 percent of the black population in the United States, yet in 2013 nearly one-quarter of the black students at Harvard Business School were of Nigerian ancestry; over a fourth of Nigerian-Americans have a graduate or professional degree, as compared with only about 11 percent of whites.

So they don't go for the difficult STEM majors and go where they get the most boost. Remember, George Bush went to HBS as well.

Unlike GWB, NONE of them have fathers who were president of the United States, or grandfathers who were U.S. senators. But somehow, they ended up at, inarguably, the best business school on the planet. They're 1 percent of the black population in the U.S., but they make up nearly 25% of black HBS students. That's nothing short of amazing!

Btw, they're also pretty savvy to go where the money is, don't you think? Most TJ students end up as what, scientists and engineers? That's nice, but it doesn't pay like Wall Street. Most TJ students do not become Bill Gates.

Actually, there are plenty of Ivy grads and east coast MBAs applying for jobs in SV and software developers/engineers make $150,000 - $200,000 fresh out of college in SV with many making much more after several years. In fact, many Hedge Funds, asset management companies (on both coasts) only hire engineering/CS/Math graduates. Hi-tech is the future not discussing case studies.

I'm sure these Nigerian-Americans will have no problem getting those jobs, if desired, with their Harvard MBAs. Btw, do you know that Wall Street/Hedge Fund bonuses can be in the millions? I'll take an annual (multi) million dollar bonus from Goldman Sachs over that $150 to $200K+ any day. Who are you trying to kid?

Silicon Valley tech company employees with just bachelors degree receive bonuses/stock options worth millions as well sometimes tens of millions if lucky. I think SV and Quants will have significant effect on the financial services/banking in the future .

Apples and oranges. Those with bachelor degrees rarely (if ever) receive million dollar bonuses, and the stock options can be worthless (not every company is Google, Facebook and Microsoft). If SV ends up being more attractive and lucrative in the long run (compared to Wall Street), be prepared to see a lot more Nigerians/Nigerian Americans gravitating to those fields.

Only if they are good in math, CS, stat or engineering.

That shouldn't be a problem.

Makinde Adeagbo worked as a Pinterest engineer before setting out to create his non-profit /dev/color, which acts as a support system for Black people working in tech. His organization has been added into the Y Combinator incubator program for this year. Since 2005, Y Combinator has been helping fund new start-ups by granting $120,000 to the lucky companies. Since its inception, the incubator has awarded over 1,000 different organizations, including Airbnb, Dropbox and Reddit, which are all now household names. According to the company’s website, each start-up will move to “Silicon Valley for 3 months and get hands-on assistance with the ins and outs of their operation. Y Combinator will work intensively with them to get the company into the best possible shape and refine their pitch to investors.” The incubator adds new companies two times a year, and every cycle ends with “Demo Day,” when the startups present their companies to an exclusive audience. In regards to /dev/color, Adeagbo’s organization will enter the winter session of the program. The Y Combinator incubator plans to tackle the diversity issue in tech by putting its money into companies that challenges the status quo. He credits his background for his passion, work ethic and drive. Adeagbo was born in Nigeria and raised in Louisville, Kentucky. From there, the entrepreneur studied and honed his talents in software engineering at MIT.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/03/02/nigerian-entrepreneurs-startup-invests-in-the-next-generation-of-black-engineers-receives-funding-from-top-incubator/

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is pathetic and boils down to Asians versus Nigerians. And Asian is so broad. Is there one particular Asian group that is the focus, or are we to assume Asians are monolithic.

Sure. Hmongs.

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And this:

Pocket Presents, a Nigerian based platform focused on global knowledge transfer has collaborated with The African Network (TAN) and The African Technology Foundation (ATF) to allow 30 Nigerians visit silicon valley based companies like Google, Facebook, Airbnb, 500 Startups, Uber, Twitter, Paypal, Stripe, eBay, 4info, Oracle, SAP.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201603130218.html

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Anonymous wrote:If Nigerians are into academics and science, where are they? I have not heard of any Nigerians at TJ (I have seen 1 from Caribbean Island) and there virtually none (probably 1 or 2) in my son's math/science/engineering classes at his university. 80-90% are Asians/white.

Your world sounds quite small and VA-centric. Not everyone is interested in the TJ to UVA pipeline. It appears that you'll find all the Nigerians you'll ever need at Ivy League universities. According to this NY Times article, many Nigerians appear a lot more interested in business and finance and, specifically, Harvard Business School. I'll re-post this for your education and enlightenment:

Yes, Amy Chua ("Tiger Mom") wrote about Nigerians in her most recent book. This is from the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/opinion/sunday/what-drives-success.html?_r=0

There are some black and Hispanic groups in America that far outperform some white and Asian groups. Immigrants from many West Indian and African countries, such as Jamaica, Ghana, and Haiti, are climbing America’s higher education ladder, but perhaps the most prominent are Nigerians. Nigerians make up less than 1 percent of the black population in the United States, yet in 2013 nearly one-quarter of the black students at Harvard Business School were of Nigerian ancestry; over a fourth of Nigerian-Americans have a graduate or professional degree, as compared with only about 11 percent of whites.

So they don't go for the difficult STEM majors and go where they get the most boost. Remember, George Bush went to HBS as well.

Unlike GWB, NONE of them have fathers who were president of the United States, or grandfathers who were U.S. senators. But somehow, they ended up at, inarguably, the best business school on the planet. They're 1 percent of the black population in the U.S., but they make up nearly 25% of black HBS students. That's nothing short of amazing!

Btw, they're also pretty savvy to go where the money is, don't you think? Most TJ students end up as what, scientists and engineers? That's nice, but it doesn't pay like Wall Street. Most TJ students do not become Bill Gates.

Actually, there are plenty of Ivy grads and east coast MBAs applying for jobs in SV and software developers/engineers make $150,000 - $200,000 fresh out of college in SV with many making much more after several years. In fact, many Hedge Funds, asset management companies (on both coasts) only hire engineering/CS/Math graduates. Hi-tech is the future not discussing case studies.

I'm sure these Nigerian-Americans will have no problem getting those jobs, if desired, with their Harvard MBAs. Btw, do you know that Wall Street/Hedge Fund bonuses can be in the millions? I'll take an annual (multi) million dollar bonus from Goldman Sachs over that $150 to $200K+ any day. Who are you trying to kid?

Silicon Valley tech company employees with just bachelors degree receive bonuses/stock options worth millions as well sometimes tens of millions if lucky. I think SV and Quants will have significant effect on the financial services/banking in the future .

Apples and oranges. Those with bachelor degrees rarely (if ever) receive million dollar bonuses, and the stock options can be worthless (not every company is Google, Facebook and Microsoft). If SV ends up being more attractive and lucrative in the long run (compared to Wall Street), be prepared to see a lot more Nigerians/Nigerian Americans gravitating to those fields.

Only if they are good in math, CS, stat or engineering.

That shouldn't be a problem.

Makinde Adeagbo worked as a Pinterest engineer before setting out to create his non-profit /dev/color, which acts as a support system for Black people working in tech. His organization has been added into the Y Combinator incubator program for this year. Since 2005, Y Combinator has been helping fund new start-ups by granting $120,000 to the lucky companies. Since its inception, the incubator has awarded over 1,000 different organizations, including Airbnb, Dropbox and Reddit, which are all now household names. According to the company’s website, each start-up will move to “Silicon Valley for 3 months and get hands-on assistance with the ins and outs of their operation. Y Combinator will work intensively with them to get the company into the best possible shape and refine their pitch to investors.” The incubator adds new companies two times a year, and every cycle ends with “Demo Day,” when the startups present their companies to an exclusive audience. In regards to /dev/color, Adeagbo’s organization will enter the winter session of the program. The Y Combinator incubator plans to tackle the diversity issue in tech by putting its money into companies that challenges the status quo. He credits his background for his passion, work ethic and drive. Adeagbo was born in Nigeria and raised in Louisville, Kentucky. From there, the entrepreneur studied and honed his talents in software engineering at MIT.
http://atlantablackstar.com/2016/03/02/nigerian-entrepreneurs-startup-invests-in-the-next-generation-of-black-engineers-receives-funding-from-top-incubator/

A few years ago this all might have been an interesting discussion. But as anyone who has been paying attention knows, since 2014 all the Ivy Leaugue schools have agreed NOT to take race into account in admissions. So all of this is really moot.

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I think successful Asians and Nigerians should start procreating.

My kid is part Asian and part African among other stuff, but not the above combination.

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Anonymous wrote:I think successful Asians and Nigerians should start procreating.

My kid is part Asian and part African among other stuff, but not the above combination.

And now we know who starts these ridiculous racial threads.

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Anonymous wrote:I think successful Asians and Nigerians should start procreating.

My kid is part Asian and part African among other stuff, but not the above combination.

And now we know who starts these ridiculous racial threads.

Lol, no, never started a "racial" thread, and just discovered this thread. My kid's in preschool.

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Anonymous wrote:I think successful Asians and Nigerians should start procreating.

My kid is part Asian and part African among other stuff, but not the above combination.

And now we know who starts these ridiculous racial threads.

Lol, no, never started a "racial" thread, and just discovered this thread. My kid's in preschool.

Bored, huh? Just discovered this thread or probably this forum, and this is your contribution. Great. Just what the college forum needs. More nonsensical posts. Your preschooler needs you. Geez!

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Anonymous wrote:I think successful Asians and Nigerians should start procreating.

My kid is part Asian and part African among other stuff, but not the above combination.

And now we know who starts these ridiculous racial threads.

Lol, no, never started a "racial" thread, and just discovered this thread. My kid's in preschool.

Bored, huh? Just discovered this thread or probably this forum, and this is your contribution. Great. Just what the college forum needs. More nonsensical posts. Your preschooler needs you. Geez!

Preschooler is doing fine. Spending the day going to museums with Dad while I'm at wk.

Ok, so I do have a more serious contribution. Why all the criticism for applying to all 8 Ivies? Presumably the kid applied at age 17, when lots of different types of college settings may appeal to her. Yes they're all very different, but a determined, self-motivated kid may be able to thrive at any of them. If she felt like she had what it takes to be a competitive candidate at each of them, then why not apply?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think successful Asians and Nigerians should start procreating.

My kid is part Asian and part African among other stuff, but not the above combination.

And now we know who starts these ridiculous racial threads.

Lol, no, never started a "racial" thread, and just discovered this thread. My kid's in preschool.

Bored, huh? Just discovered this thread or probably this forum, and this is your contribution. Great. Just what the college forum needs. More nonsensical posts. Your preschooler needs you. Geez!

Preschooler is doing fine. Spending the day going to museums with Dad while I'm at wk.

Ok, so I do have a more serious contribution. Why all the criticism for applying to all 8 Ivies? Presumably the kid applied at age 17, when lots of different types of college settings may appeal to her. Yes they're all very different, but a determined, self-motivated kid may be able to thrive at any of them. If she felt like she had what it takes to be a competitive candidate at each of them, then why not apply?

Because some people on DCUM have to complain about something.

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Anonymous wrote:If Nigerians are into academics and science, where are they? I have not heard of any Nigerians at TJ (I have seen 1 from Caribbean Island) and there virtually none (probably 1 or 2) in my son's math/science/engineering classes at his university. 80-90% are Asians/white.

Your world sounds quite small and VA-centric. Not everyone is interested in the TJ to UVA pipeline. It appears that you'll find all the Nigerians you'll ever need at Ivy League universities. According to this NY Times article, many Nigerians appear a lot more interested in business and finance and, specifically, Harvard Business School. I'll re-post this for your education and enlightenment:

Yes, Amy Chua ("Tiger Mom") wrote about Nigerians in her most recent book. This is from the NY Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/26/opinion/sunday/what-drives-success.html?_r=0

There are some black and Hispanic groups in America that far outperform some white and Asian groups. Immigrants from many West Indian and African countries, such as Jamaica, Ghana, and Haiti, are climbing America’s higher education ladder, but perhaps the most prominent are Nigerians. Nigerians make up less than 1 percent of the black population in the United States, yet in 2013 nearly one-quarter of the black students at Harvard Business School were of Nigerian ancestry; over a fourth of Nigerian-Americans have a graduate or professional degree, as compared with only about 11 percent of whites.

So they don't go for the difficult STEM majors and go where they get the most boost. Remember, George Bush went to HBS as well.

Unlike GWB, NONE of them have fathers who were president of the United States, or grandfathers who were U.S. senators. But somehow, they ended up at, inarguably, the best business school on the planet. They're 1 percent of the black population in the U.S., but they make up nearly 25% of black HBS students. That's nothing short of amazing!

Btw, they're also pretty savvy to go where the money is, don't you think? Most TJ students end up as what, scientists and engineers? That's nice, but it doesn't pay like Wall Street. Most TJ students do not become Bill Gates.

What is the fascination with Wall Street? Having to live in New York and work on Wall Street is something I would never wish for my kids.