Is Einstein getting totally screwed in the boundary and program study proposals?

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Anonymous wrote:Einstein parents should be flooding the next BOE meeting. As well as calling - not just emailing that is too easy to ignore - BOE member offices https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/boe/about/redistricting/

Call today, call tomorrow. Take up their time with calm yet firm questioning. Any govt ees who are furloughed should make this your shutdown project.

Why? They will not care. You go. Why should it be govt who should go. Many testify at the BOE meetings and they are never acknowledged or issues addressed. Best thing we can do is vote them out.

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

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The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

Had Einstein ever offered AP calculus-based physics? That’s something I was able to take in HS 30 years ago!

By calculus-based physics, I mean AP Physics C, not AP Physics 1. Pre-engineering students really need AP Calculus C.

Fewer than 1 in 5 MIT admits come in with AP Physics C already completed. Stop the madness.

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While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

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Anonymous wrote:They should have the same strong offerings at every school. Having speciality programs at different schools is silly if students don’t get school choose and each school doesn’t have equal strong offerings. Taylor and the BOE clearly ditched equity and student needs. How many kids want a teacher academy. They reduced the current program a few years ago. How about a poll asking parents, teachers and students what they want at these schools. People are going to bail from Einstein if they can and either move or go private. It and Kennedy will be the weak links.

+1

The DCC is what keeps wealthier kids in public schools. DH and I have just discussed upping our 529 contributions so we can afford private if need be.

Having a standardized base of strong offerings at all schools is part of the plan. Funny how most people are not asking questions or focused on that piece.

We don't buy it because MCPS has caveated it with saying they will offer courses "if there is interest" which is a circular way of saying they won't actually offer that strong base or will have it be virtual in the lower income schools, which will lead wealthy families to flee public schools.

The more comfortable families will leave Einstein and the FARM rate will likely rise. The school gained students for its VAPA program, but many academically strong students now choose magnets or lottery into Blair or Wheaton due to Einstein's limited advanced course offerings. The principal claims there's no demand for higher-level classes, but demand is low because the classes aren't offered. Students are often pushed through AB, BC, then Stats, with no alternatives. MCPS offers no virtual high school math options and has no plans to. Students are left with three choices: take what is available, drive their kids to another school, or to Montgomery College for the classes they need. There is no excuse for MCPS not providing enough math to meet graduation requirements. The minimum at each school should be MVC as then students can take Statistics after MVC if they need an extra math class.

DP - I think you’re overstating how many families will leave Einstein (and how many inbounds kids currently choose Blair or Wheaton). There are a lot of highly educated parents here (e.g., Feds and academics with PhDs) who don’t necessarily have the money to shell out for private nor to move. And a lot of us who are willing to work to improve our school, inasmuch as it needs improving. I don’t love the proposed changes, but they’re not untenable with some modifications along the lines of what people have proposed.

If MVC is the minimum, most high schools shouldn’t go much farther than that. It’s *high school*. We’d be better served by pushing the BOE hard on offering robust programs at all schools, i.e., increasing parity, than arguing for super advanced classes.

Had Einstein ever offered AP calculus-based physics? That’s something I was able to take in HS 30 years ago!

By calculus-based physics, I mean AP Physics C, not AP Physics 1. Pre-engineering students really need AP Calculus C.

Fewer than 1 in 5 MIT admits come in with AP Physics C already completed. Stop the madness.

So, by your logic, we should stop MVC and AP Physics as well as Enginnering, Computer Science, other sciences because its not necessary at all schools?

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Anonymous wrote:While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

Correct but even then if you don't get into a magnet or lottery you are out of luck. Your choice is to go to MC or go without.

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Anonymous wrote:While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

Correct but even then if you don't get into a magnet or lottery you are out of luck. Your choice is to go to MC or go without.

Go without MVC you mean?

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Anonymous wrote:While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

Correct but even then if you don't get into a magnet or lottery you are out of luck. Your choice is to go to MC or go without.

Go without MVC you mean?

THE HORROR

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Einstein parents should be flooding the next BOE meeting. As well as calling - not just emailing that is too easy to ignore - BOE member offices https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/boe/about/redistricting/

Call today, call tomorrow. Take up their time with calm yet firm questioning. Any govt ees who are furloughed should make this your shutdown project.

Why? They will not care. You go. Why should it be govt who should go. Many testify at the BOE meetings and they are never acknowledged or issues addressed. Best thing we can do is vote them out.

This is the PP you’re quoting. I am a furloughed govt ee who is going - just trying to encourage others to as well. I do agree it may not be effective but it’s something at least.

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Anonymous wrote:While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

Correct but even then if you don't get into a magnet or lottery you are out of luck. Your choice is to go to MC or go without.

+1 The regional model would ironically limit choice, and not just for DCC. DCC is great because over the decades, parent, student, and staff have developed a magnet system for arts, engineering, etc, that we deeply value, not to mention a great community. To dismantle it without the opportunity for robust public input is irresponsible and wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:If they’re going to do all these split articulations anyway they should pull Town of Kensington kids within the Einstein walk zone into the school. That might get people’s attention.

TOK is not really walkable to Einstein. To walk from near Warner Circle to Einstein is 1.5 miles and having kids cross University, where we have already had 2 pedestrian deaths this year.

lol. You do realize that kids cross Connecticut Ave. and Viers Mill Rd. to get to Einstein currently? Let the adults continue the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Einstein parents should be flooding the next BOE meeting. As well as calling - not just emailing that is too easy to ignore - BOE member offices https://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/boe/about/redistricting/

Call today, call tomorrow. Take up their time with calm yet firm questioning. Any govt ees who are furloughed should make this your shutdown project.

Why? They will not care. You go. Why should it be govt who should go. Many testify at the BOE meetings and they are never acknowledged or issues addressed. Best thing we can do is vote them out.

The decisions will already have been made before the next election.

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Anonymous wrote:While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

Correct but even then if you don't get into a magnet or lottery you are out of luck. Your choice is to go to MC or go without.

Go without MVC you mean?

THE HORROR

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Anonymous wrote:While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

Correct but even then if you don't get into a magnet or lottery you are out of luck. Your choice is to go to MC or go without.

+1 The regional model would ironically limit choice, and not just for DCC. DCC is great because over the decades, parent, student, and staff have developed a magnet system for arts, engineering, etc, that we deeply value, not to mention a great community. To dismantle it without the opportunity for robust public input is irresponsible and wrong.

But that's the point according to Taylor--DCC/NEC have had access to this special system that the majority of MCPS schools have not had access to, which he says is inequitable.

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Anonymous wrote:If they’re going to do all these split articulations anyway they should pull Town of Kensington kids within the Einstein walk zone into the school. That might get people’s attention.

TOK is not really walkable to Einstein. To walk from near Warner Circle to Einstein is 1.5 miles and having kids cross University, where we have already had 2 pedestrian deaths this year.

lol. You do realize that kids cross Connecticut Ave. and Viers Mill Rd. to get to Einstein currently? Let the adults continue the conversation.

And University. If the teen who was killed had chosen to go to Einstein instead of Wheaton he would have been crossing there every day.

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Anonymous wrote:While I think its great to advocate, I'm not sure if this is really that bad for Einstein. In some ways doesn't the DCC create a situation where the science/math oriented kids tend to go to other schools? So if you limit choice as proposed by the regional model, wouldn't you have a more balanced student body that supports a more balanced set of courses?

Correct but even then if you don't get into a magnet or lottery you are out of luck. Your choice is to go to MC or go without.

+1 The regional model would ironically limit choice, and not just for DCC. DCC is great because over the decades, parent, student, and staff have developed a magnet system for arts, engineering, etc, that we deeply value, not to mention a great community. To dismantle it without the opportunity for robust public input is irresponsible and wrong.

But that's the point according to Taylor--DCC/NEC have had access to this special system that the majority of MCPS schools have not had access to, which he says is inequitable.

It's not inequitable. It does lack uniformity, but uniformity is not equity. Sounds like Taylor needs a dictionary.