Regretting private high school investment because of colleges want more public school graduates

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:W schools in MOCO have higher acceptance rates to HYP

Bethesda Magazine says otherwise.

[Anonymous]

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The small private school will have a de facto ceiling on HYP admits, legacy and non-legacy alike. The small private will both per capita and, likely in real terms, have more legacies. The small private will have both per capita, and possibly in real terms (certainly for the rich kid sports), more recruitable athletes. And the small private will have, both per capita and in real terms, more VIPs.

What does this mean? Being a top stats legacy (non-VIP, non-athlete) from the public is much more desirable than having that status from the private, and the kid is more likely to get in. There is far less competition for the, say, maximum of 4 Harvard slots — one of which will go to an athlete, one to a VIP, one to a first-gen type, and 1 to the top stats legacy (or none, if the VIP type is a legacy to begin with, or if a recruited athlete is also first gen). The public school will have far less likelihood of VIPs, far less likelihood of fencing recruits etc.

Per capita makes a difference for legacy — no question.

Of course, legacy is such a minor hook these days (without big money or VIP status), that the kid is not getting in either way — so what if the kid would have a 15% chance from the public but only 5-10% from the private.

Love how this poster holds forth like they actually know something. No, there are no specific caps on the part of HYP schools for small private schools. It really depends on the individual students.

What seems like a cap exists because the HYPs admit less than 4% of applicants. Harvard and Princeton probably went below 3% which is why they don’t publish the info anymore.

With a greater population of hooked students, publics still get fewer of them into HYPs. Why? Because one factor elite schools look is the rigor of the applicants’ high schools and how well students from X high school has done historically at their university. Kids with great SAT scores and APs can still struggle at elite institutions. The colleges have data on how well students from X school have done and they use it.

It’s why you have more kids getting into HYP from Sidwell, NCS/STA, and GDS. Being hooked with established rigor and a track record of kids from your school doing well helps.

Athletic recruitment helps, too. Saw stats recently that showed recruited athletes have 80+% likelihood of being admitted at elite schools.

FWIW, kids don’t all congregate around HYP either. Our CCO encourages the kids to select the right school for them and sometimes that doesn’t mean HYP, even when they get in. I know a kid who was admitted to five Ivies but is going to a non-Ivy that is elite in his chosen sport.

Absolute BS

W schools in MOCO have higher acceptance rates to HYP

Elite in his chosen sport? LOL that is stupid. Chances of them making NFL you have got to be an idiot to think any of this crap.

As another poster has already said, uh, no. The idea that W schools have higher HYP acceptances than the Big 3 is laughable.

The fact you laugh at a young man choosing a school because playing the sport is his passion says so much about you and your character.

Who said the sport was football? Who said he wanted to play professionally?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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The small private school will have a de facto ceiling on HYP admits, legacy and non-legacy alike. The small private will both per capita and, likely in real terms, have more legacies. The small private will have both per capita, and possibly in real terms (certainly for the rich kid sports), more recruitable athletes. And the small private will have, both per capita and in real terms, more VIPs.

What does this mean? Being a top stats legacy (non-VIP, non-athlete) from the public is much more desirable than having that status from the private, and the kid is more likely to get in. There is far less competition for the, say, maximum of 4 Harvard slots — one of which will go to an athlete, one to a VIP, one to a first-gen type, and 1 to the top stats legacy (or none, if the VIP type is a legacy to begin with, or if a recruited athlete is also first gen). The public school will have far less likelihood of VIPs, far less likelihood of fencing recruits etc.

Per capita makes a difference for legacy — no question.

Of course, legacy is such a minor hook these days (without big money or VIP status), that the kid is not getting in either way — so what if the kid would have a 15% chance from the public but only 5-10% from the private.

Love how this poster holds forth like they actually know something. No, there are no specific caps on the part of HYP schools for small private schools. It really depends on the individual students.

What seems like a cap exists because the HYPs admit less than 4% of applicants. Harvard and Princeton probably went below 3% which is why they don’t publish the info anymore.

With a greater population of hooked students, publics still get fewer of them into HYPs. Why? Because one factor elite schools look is the rigor of the applicants’ high schools and how well students from X high school has done historically at their university. Kids with great SAT scores and APs can still struggle at elite institutions. The colleges have data on how well students from X school have done and they use it.

It’s why you have more kids getting into HYP from Sidwell, NCS/STA, and GDS. Being hooked with established rigor and a track record of kids from your school doing well helps.

Athletic recruitment helps, too. Saw stats recently that showed recruited athletes have 80+% likelihood of being admitted at elite schools.

FWIW, kids don’t all congregate around HYP either. Our CCO encourages the kids to select the right school for them and sometimes that doesn’t mean HYP, even when they get in. I know a kid who was admitted to five Ivies but is going to a non-Ivy that is elite in his chosen sport.

Absolute BS

W schools in MOCO have higher acceptance rates to HYP

Elite in his chosen sport? LOL that is stupid. Chances of them making NFL you have got to be an idiot to think any of this crap.

As another poster has already said, uh, no. The idea that W schools have higher HYP acceptances than the Big 3 is laughable.

The fact you laugh at a young man choosing a school because playing the sport is his passion says so much about you and your character.

Who said the sport was football? Who said he wanted to play professionally?

A more reasonable comparison would be the top X number of students in W schools (say, 150) that equate with a similar class size at a Big 3 for HYP and T20 admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The small private school will have a de facto ceiling on HYP admits, legacy and non-legacy alike. The small private will both per capita and, likely in real terms, have more legacies. The small private will have both per capita, and possibly in real terms (certainly for the rich kid sports), more recruitable athletes. And the small private will have, both per capita and in real terms, more VIPs.

What does this mean? Being a top stats legacy (non-VIP, non-athlete) from the public is much more desirable than having that status from the private, and the kid is more likely to get in. There is far less competition for the, say, maximum of 4 Harvard slots — one of which will go to an athlete, one to a VIP, one to a first-gen type, and 1 to the top stats legacy (or none, if the VIP type is a legacy to begin with, or if a recruited athlete is also first gen). The public school will have far less likelihood of VIPs, far less likelihood of fencing recruits etc.

Per capita makes a difference for legacy — no question.

Of course, legacy is such a minor hook these days (without big money or VIP status), that the kid is not getting in either way — so what if the kid would have a 15% chance from the public but only 5-10% from the private.

Love how this poster holds forth like they actually know something. No, there are no specific caps on the part of HYP schools for small private schools. It really depends on the individual students.

What seems like a cap exists because the HYPs admit less than 4% of applicants. Harvard and Princeton probably went below 3% which is why they don’t publish the info anymore.

With a greater population of hooked students, publics still get fewer of them into HYPs. Why? Because one factor elite schools look is the rigor of the applicants’ high schools and how well students from X high school has done historically at their university. Kids with great SAT scores and APs can still struggle at elite institutions. The colleges have data on how well students from X school have done and they use it.

It’s why you have more kids getting into HYP from Sidwell, NCS/STA, and GDS. Being hooked with established rigor and a track record of kids from your school doing well helps.

Athletic recruitment helps, too. Saw stats recently that showed recruited athletes have 80+% likelihood of being admitted at elite schools.

FWIW, kids don’t all congregate around HYP either. Our CCO encourages the kids to select the right school for them and sometimes that doesn’t mean HYP, even when they get in. I know a kid who was admitted to five Ivies but is going to a non-Ivy that is elite in his chosen sport.

Absolute BS

W schools in MOCO have higher acceptance rates to HYP

Elite in his chosen sport? LOL that is stupid. Chances of them making NFL you have got to be an idiot to think any of this crap.

As another poster has already said, uh, no. The idea that W schools have higher HYP acceptances than the Big 3 is laughable.

The fact you laugh at a young man choosing a school because playing the sport is his passion says so much about you and your character.

Who said the sport was football? Who said he wanted to play professionally?

A more reasonable comparison would be the top X number of students in W schools (say, 150) that equate with a similar class size at a Big 3 for HYP and T20 admissions.

It doesn’t matter how much you try to massage the numbers, you’re not going to get the result you desire. Last year, 353 students from across the 10 Montgomery County high schools (including all of the Ws) applied to Harvard. Only 4 students were admitted—FOUR students!

I don’t know how many students applied or were admitted to Harvard from GDS or Sidwell last year, but I know that a combined ~250 students graduated from those two schools last year (and all 250 certainly did not apply to Harvard). GDS and Sidwell sent 10 students to Harvard last year. Ten Moco schools sent 4 students.

Public school parents really should stop running to the private school board to compare admissions statistics to highly selective schools. You’re only going to get your feelings hurt. Just take comfort in the fact that you didn’t spend $250K or (much) more to educate your children and move along.

[Anonymous]

This is ridiculous. Send your kid to the right school for them.

Be grateful you can afford private school (for those who can pay and send).

I have friends and family who work in admissions at Ivy+ and your kid needs to tell their story. They know if you use a consultant or AI, your kid ultimately needs to be authentic and probably have some kind of hook.

It is also about how far you come. Everyone is different. Some kids get everything handed to them and every opportunity possible, others do not have that luck or fortune. Usually they say files are looked at holistically.

That being said, I do think more universities will admit from privates because they are going to need more students who can pay full tuition. I do wonder if need blind will go away especially with the potential endowment tax.

Also, if your kid doesn't get into HYP for undergrad they can go for grad school if they want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The small private school will have a de facto ceiling on HYP admits, legacy and non-legacy alike. The small private will both per capita and, likely in real terms, have more legacies. The small private will have both per capita, and possibly in real terms (certainly for the rich kid sports), more recruitable athletes. And the small private will have, both per capita and in real terms, more VIPs.

What does this mean? Being a top stats legacy (non-VIP, non-athlete) from the public is much more desirable than having that status from the private, and the kid is more likely to get in. There is far less competition for the, say, maximum of 4 Harvard slots — one of which will go to an athlete, one to a VIP, one to a first-gen type, and 1 to the top stats legacy (or none, if the VIP type is a legacy to begin with, or if a recruited athlete is also first gen). The public school will have far less likelihood of VIPs, far less likelihood of fencing recruits etc.

Per capita makes a difference for legacy — no question.

Of course, legacy is such a minor hook these days (without big money or VIP status), that the kid is not getting in either way — so what if the kid would have a 15% chance from the public but only 5-10% from the private.

Love how this poster holds forth like they actually know something. No, there are no specific caps on the part of HYP schools for small private schools. It really depends on the individual students.

What seems like a cap exists because the HYPs admit less than 4% of applicants. Harvard and Princeton probably went below 3% which is why they don’t publish the info anymore.

With a greater population of hooked students, publics still get fewer of them into HYPs. Why? Because one factor elite schools look is the rigor of the applicants’ high schools and how well students from X high school has done historically at their university. Kids with great SAT scores and APs can still struggle at elite institutions. The colleges have data on how well students from X school have done and they use it.

It’s why you have more kids getting into HYP from Sidwell, NCS/STA, and GDS. Being hooked with established rigor and a track record of kids from your school doing well helps.

Athletic recruitment helps, too. Saw stats recently that showed recruited athletes have 80+% likelihood of being admitted at elite schools.

FWIW, kids don’t all congregate around HYP either. Our CCO encourages the kids to select the right school for them and sometimes that doesn’t mean HYP, even when they get in. I know a kid who was admitted to five Ivies but is going to a non-Ivy that is elite in his chosen sport.

Absolute BS

W schools in MOCO have higher acceptance rates to HYP

Elite in his chosen sport? LOL that is stupid. Chances of them making NFL you have got to be an idiot to think any of this crap.

As another poster has already said, uh, no. The idea that W schools have higher HYP acceptances than the Big 3 is laughable.

The fact you laugh at a young man choosing a school because playing the sport is his passion says so much about you and your character.

Who said the sport was football? Who said he wanted to play professionally?

A more reasonable comparison would be the top X number of students in W schools (say, 150) that equate with a similar class size at a Big 3 for HYP and T20 admissions.

It doesn’t matter how much you try to massage the numbers, you’re not going to get the result you desire. Last year, 353 students from across the 10 Montgomery County high schools (including all of the Ws) applied to Harvard. Only 4 students were admitted—FOUR students!

I don’t know how many students applied or were admitted to Harvard from GDS or Sidwell last year, but I know that a combined ~250 students graduated from those two schools last year (and all 250 certainly did not apply to Harvard). GDS and Sidwell sent 10 students to Harvard last year. Ten Moco schools sent 4 students.

Public school parents really should stop running to the private school board to compare admissions statistics to highly selective schools. You’re only going to get your feelings hurt. Just take comfort in the fact that you didn’t spend $250K or (much) more to educate your children and move along.

Wrong.
You reading comprehension sucks

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The small private school will have a de facto ceiling on HYP admits, legacy and non-legacy alike. The small private will both per capita and, likely in real terms, have more legacies. The small private will have both per capita, and possibly in real terms (certainly for the rich kid sports), more recruitable athletes. And the small private will have, both per capita and in real terms, more VIPs.

What does this mean? Being a top stats legacy (non-VIP, non-athlete) from the public is much more desirable than having that status from the private, and the kid is more likely to get in. There is far less competition for the, say, maximum of 4 Harvard slots — one of which will go to an athlete, one to a VIP, one to a first-gen type, and 1 to the top stats legacy (or none, if the VIP type is a legacy to begin with, or if a recruited athlete is also first gen). The public school will have far less likelihood of VIPs, far less likelihood of fencing recruits etc.

Per capita makes a difference for legacy — no question.

Of course, legacy is such a minor hook these days (without big money or VIP status), that the kid is not getting in either way — so what if the kid would have a 15% chance from the public but only 5-10% from the private.

Love how this poster holds forth like they actually know something. No, there are no specific caps on the part of HYP schools for small private schools. It really depends on the individual students.

What seems like a cap exists because the HYPs admit less than 4% of applicants. Harvard and Princeton probably went below 3% which is why they don’t publish the info anymore.

With a greater population of hooked students, publics still get fewer of them into HYPs. Why? Because one factor elite schools look is the rigor of the applicants’ high schools and how well students from X high school has done historically at their university. Kids with great SAT scores and APs can still struggle at elite institutions. The colleges have data on how well students from X school have done and they use it.

It’s why you have more kids getting into HYP from Sidwell, NCS/STA, and GDS. Being hooked with established rigor and a track record of kids from your school doing well helps.

Athletic recruitment helps, too. Saw stats recently that showed recruited athletes have 80+% likelihood of being admitted at elite schools.

FWIW, kids don’t all congregate around HYP either. Our CCO encourages the kids to select the right school for them and sometimes that doesn’t mean HYP, even when they get in. I know a kid who was admitted to five Ivies but is going to a non-Ivy that is elite in his chosen sport.

Absolute BS

W schools in MOCO have higher acceptance rates to HYP

Elite in his chosen sport? LOL that is stupid. Chances of them making NFL you have got to be an idiot to think any of this crap.

As another poster has already said, uh, no. The idea that W schools have higher HYP acceptances than the Big 3 is laughable.

The fact you laugh at a young man choosing a school because playing the sport is his passion says so much about you and your character.

Who said the sport was football? Who said he wanted to play professionally?

A more reasonable comparison would be the top X number of students in W schools (say, 150) that equate with a similar class size at a Big 3 for HYP and T20 admissions.

It doesn’t matter how much you try to massage the numbers, you’re not going to get the result you desire. Last year, 353 students from across the 10 Montgomery County high schools (including all of the Ws) applied to Harvard. Only 4 students were admitted—FOUR students!

I don’t know how many students applied or were admitted to Harvard from GDS or Sidwell last year, but I know that a combined ~250 students graduated from those two schools last year (and all 250 certainly did not apply to Harvard). GDS and Sidwell sent 10 students to Harvard last year. Ten Moco schools sent 4 students.

Public school parents really should stop running to the private school board to compare admissions statistics to highly selective schools. You’re only going to get your feelings hurt. Just take comfort in the fact that you didn’t spend $250K or (much) more to educate your children and move along.

Wrong.
You reading comprehension sucks

Your bitterness and envy is sad. Poor thing!
Your typos don’t help.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
The small private school will have a de facto ceiling on HYP admits, legacy and non-legacy alike. The small private will both per capita and, likely in real terms, have more legacies. The small private will have both per capita, and possibly in real terms (certainly for the rich kid sports), more recruitable athletes. And the small private will have, both per capita and in real terms, more VIPs.

What does this mean? Being a top stats legacy (non-VIP, non-athlete) from the public is much more desirable than having that status from the private, and the kid is more likely to get in. There is far less competition for the, say, maximum of 4 Harvard slots — one of which will go to an athlete, one to a VIP, one to a first-gen type, and 1 to the top stats legacy (or none, if the VIP type is a legacy to begin with, or if a recruited athlete is also first gen). The public school will have far less likelihood of VIPs, far less likelihood of fencing recruits etc.

Per capita makes a difference for legacy — no question.

Of course, legacy is such a minor hook these days (without big money or VIP status), that the kid is not getting in either way — so what if the kid would have a 15% chance from the public but only 5-10% from the private.

Love how this poster holds forth like they actually know something. No, there are no specific caps on the part of HYP schools for small private schools. It really depends on the individual students.

What seems like a cap exists because the HYPs admit less than 4% of applicants. Harvard and Princeton probably went below 3% which is why they don’t publish the info anymore.

With a greater population of hooked students, publics still get fewer of them into HYPs. Why? Because one factor elite schools look is the rigor of the applicants’ high schools and how well students from X high school has done historically at their university. Kids with great SAT scores and APs can still struggle at elite institutions. The colleges have data on how well students from X school have done and they use it.

It’s why you have more kids getting into HYP from Sidwell, NCS/STA, and GDS. Being hooked with established rigor and a track record of kids from your school doing well helps.

Athletic recruitment helps, too. Saw stats recently that showed recruited athletes have 80+% likelihood of being admitted at elite schools.

FWIW, kids don’t all congregate around HYP either. Our CCO encourages the kids to select the right school for them and sometimes that doesn’t mean HYP, even when they get in. I know a kid who was admitted to five Ivies but is going to a non-Ivy that is elite in his chosen sport.

Absolute BS

W schools in MOCO have higher acceptance rates to HYP

Elite in his chosen sport? LOL that is stupid. Chances of them making NFL you have got to be an idiot to think any of this crap.

As another poster has already said, uh, no. The idea that W schools have higher HYP acceptances than the Big 3 is laughable.

The fact you laugh at a young man choosing a school because playing the sport is his passion says so much about you and your character.

Who said the sport was football? Who said he wanted to play professionally?

A more reasonable comparison would be the top X number of students in W schools (say, 150) that equate with a similar class size at a Big 3 for HYP and T20 admissions.

It doesn’t matter how much you try to massage the numbers, you’re not going to get the result you desire. Last year, 353 students from across the 10 Montgomery County high schools (including all of the Ws) applied to Harvard. Only 4 students were admitted—FOUR students!

I don’t know how many students applied or were admitted to Harvard from GDS or Sidwell last year, but I know that a combined ~250 students graduated from those two schools last year (and all 250 certainly did not apply to Harvard). GDS and Sidwell sent 10 students to Harvard last year. Ten Moco schools sent 4 students.

Public school parents really should stop running to the private school board to compare admissions statistics to highly selective schools. You’re only going to get your feelings hurt. Just take comfort in the fact that you didn’t spend $250K or (much) more to educate your children and move along.

That's not a fair comparison. MoCo has 150K students, and is required to accept every student, and more than a third of which qualify for free lunches. You can crow about the glory of the Harvard admissions at private schools, but you're not considering that private schools have far more 1) legacy students, full-pay students, potential big donor students (who are 4x more likely to get admitted according to one study), 2) athletes who play rich kid sports that are uncommon at public schools and 3) kids who can afford college admissions consultants and tons of private tutors.

Thomas Jefferson magnet school in Virginia beats all of the privates at Ivy admissions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:private schools have far more 1) legacy students, full-pay students

No, they don't. They may have a higher percentage of them, but in absolute numbers there are way more legacy/full pay families in public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:private schools have far more 1) legacy students, full-pay students

No, they don't. They may have a higher percentage of them, but in absolute numbers there are way more legacy/full pay families in public.

But we are talking percentage you know. Private schools parents love to talk about percentage so they can claim private schools are doing better.
So don't talk about percentage when it favors you, but absolutely numbers when it doesn't favor your argument.

[Anonymous]

When comparing individual schools, private schools are usually doing better too.

Also, the wealthy public school families are in a better position to be full pay because they haven't shelled out nearly a million dollars in private school tuition.

[Anonymous]

[quote=Anonymous]When comparing individual schools, private schools are usually doing better too.

Also, the wealthy public school families are in a better position to be full pay because they haven't shelled out nearly a million dollars in private school tuition.
Not true.
Comparing individual schools, the MoCo magnets, W schools send more students to the ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When comparing individual schools, private schools are usually doing better too.

Also, the wealthy public school families are in a better position to be full pay because they haven't shelled out nearly a million dollars in private school tuition.

Not true.
Comparing individual schools, the MoCo magnets, W schools send more students to the ivies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When comparing individual schools, private schools are usually doing better too.

Also, the wealthy public school families are in a better position to be full pay because they haven't shelled out nearly a million dollars in private school tuition.

Not true.
Comparing individual schools, the MoCo magnets, W schools send more students to the ivies.

Meaningless statement unless you identify which MoCo schools and which private schools you're comparing here

[Anonymous]

Money talks and bs walks!