DEI RIFs

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Anonymous wrote:Does getting rid of DEI also mean that we are removing veteran’s preference and disabled people priority?

Trump mentioned disability and race together but the EO says that veterans can still get preference

Why, those are the worst hires in my office. They jump to the top of the list automatically and even the smartest, best qualified, perfect candidate cannot be selected over them. This is the worst kind of discrimination.

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Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

Why all this racial and anti Christian animosity?

Observing the fact that white Christians have had privileged opportunities (whether they deserved it or not) is not animosity. It is a fact. NP.

This has nothing to do with the DEI RIF, or whatever its category. I’m not a white Christian. I don’t believe that my interests were supported by the DEI office and corresponding trainings. I don’t feel harmed by its removal. I do feel for the people who might lose their jobs, though. It’s a tough job economy.

How so? Exactly, how so? I'm white. Did not bother me either way to hear that my agency was reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. Or to hear that there may be systemic biases in employment decisions. I didn't think of it once. It didn't affect me.

I never heard of any reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. I also never experienced any bias as a federal employee who is female and a minority. As to systemic bias? I have no experience.

But, that’s neither here nor there because my personal experience doesn’t matter. What matters is whether these positions were effective in a way that did not impose its own racism. Whether biases for or against were reduced. Because that’s the point. “Under-represented” is not the point. We don’t control who applies to any given position.

The job duties that I observed the offices undertaking, no offense to them, amounted largely to webinars.

So there was no affect to you. And you post is clear on one point: you have absolutely no idea what these programs are. You references to hiring, for example, is outside DEI. "Imposing racism" is also outside it. And if you think it did, again, you can file a complaint with your EEO office.

The point is that these offices didn’t have an effect on anyone. They were not effective.

My observation of what they are over the past years is a provider of virtual brown bag lunch speakers on topics not exactly relevant.

These functions, whatever they are, can be incorporated into EEO or HR. There isn’t enough substance to merit several FTEs.

Ours canceled the term “brown bag lunch”

Ok is this one really true??

Apparently.

https://newsfeed.time.com/2013/08/06/dont-call-it-a-brown-bag-lunch-seattle-frowns-on-popular-term/

That story is not about a federal agency. Did you read the article?

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Everyone should have gotten that email. The templates were within the OPM memo.

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

We got one of those too. Sounded more like Stasi to me.

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Everyone should have gotten that email. The templates were within the OPM memo.

If we didn't do you find that bothersome?
My agency didn't send one. Good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

It sounds like they copied OPM's "template" message that they were ordered to send out.

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Anonymous wrote:That's not what a RIF is, OP.

The OPM memo calls it a RIF.

Holy shit, the OPM memo is a bloodbath. Wow. The EO stopped short of this, this is absolutely nuts.

https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

I wonder how many acting heads are going to quit rather than send out those memos.
I honestly can’t see the person acting at my agency sending that out - she’s just the last one standing and as far as I can tell totally non-political.

That memo is just...another level. I will be very interested to see if our acting sends it out. It's one thing to say, hey, we've decided to eliminate all these programs. It's something totally different to say they resulted in "shameful discrimination" and then threaten the workforce if they don't report "coded language." But nothing to see here! It's all good and totally normal governing.

+1. These people didn't create the DEI offices and in most cases didn't create the policies people are complaining about. They were assigned to do a job. It's fine to decide that job is unwanted now, but making the employees into villains should worry everybody. Every fed will at some point work on something the other side doesn't like.

They weren't assigned to these offices, they applied to work in them, presumably because they wanted to advance that mission. The mission has been discredited, the consequences follow.

Where is the compassion for these workers and their families?
Is this all bc of some crazy idea that they are taking jobs from white Christian men? Or bc they are more educated than white Christian men?
I don’t understand the hate and desire for revenge. And frankly, I don’t want to. Don’t you understand that this mass layoff will affect us all? Unemployed, instability, lost income, etc

Why all this racial and anti Christian animosity?

Observing the fact that white Christians have had privileged opportunities (whether they deserved it or not) is not animosity. It is a fact. NP.

This has nothing to do with the DEI RIF, or whatever its category. I’m not a white Christian. I don’t believe that my interests were supported by the DEI office and corresponding trainings. I don’t feel harmed by its removal. I do feel for the people who might lose their jobs, though. It’s a tough job economy.

How so? Exactly, how so? I'm white. Did not bother me either way to hear that my agency was reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. Or to hear that there may be systemic biases in employment decisions. I didn't think of it once. It didn't affect me.

I never heard of any reaching out to make opportunities available to disadvantaged or under-represented groups. I also never experienced any bias as a federal employee who is female and a minority. As to systemic bias? I have no experience.

But, that’s neither here nor there because my personal experience doesn’t matter. What matters is whether these positions were effective in a way that did not impose its own racism. Whether biases for or against were reduced. Because that’s the point. “Under-represented” is not the point. We don’t control who applies to any given position.

The job duties that I observed the offices undertaking, no offense to them, amounted largely to webinars.

So there was no affect to you. And you post is clear on one point: you have absolutely no idea what these programs are. You references to hiring, for example, is outside DEI. "Imposing racism" is also outside it. And if you think it did, again, you can file a complaint with your EEO office.

The point is that these offices didn’t have an effect on anyone. They were not effective.

My observation of what they are over the past years is a provider of virtual brown bag lunch speakers on topics not exactly relevant.

These functions, whatever they are, can be incorporated into EEO or HR. There isn’t enough substance to merit several FTEs.

Ours canceled the term “brown bag lunch”

Ok is this one really true??

Happened at my agency!

Ditto- “lunch and learn” was the preferred terminology.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

We got one of those too. Sounded more like Stasi to me.

Same in my agency. The language is OPM’s from the memo template and I think my agency isn’t that bad.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Everyone should have gotten that email. The templates were within the OPM memo.

If we didn't do you find that bothersome?
My agency didn't send one. Good.

The OPM memo required the fascist email be sent by EOD today. But I’m glad your agency is pushing back even if only by delaying as long as possible.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Everyone should have gotten that email. The templates were within the OPM memo.

If we didn't do you find that bothersome?
My agency didn't send one. Good.

The OPM memo required the fascist email be sent by EOD today. But I’m glad your agency is pushing back even if only by delaying as long as possible.

While the OPM email was a bit much, it was not fascist.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Everyone should have gotten that email. The templates were within the OPM memo.

If we didn't do you find that bothersome?
My agency didn't send one. Good.

The OPM memo required the fascist email be sent by EOD today. But I’m glad your agency is pushing back even if only by delaying as long as possible.

While the OPM email was a bit much, it was not fascist.

DP. It was pretty darn close. Are you sure you got the full OPM message?
https://chcoc.gov/sites/default/files/OPM%20Memo%20Initial%20Guidance%20Regarding%20DEIA%20Executive%20Orders.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:Just wondering how many people impacted by this are straight white men? I’m guessing not to many.

Guessing not many White men got these jobs in the first place.

Exactly. So this is effectively targeting minorities.

Only because the original hiring was discriminatory.

So hiring anyone who isn’t white is discrimination

Isn’t hiring white male veterans DEI? Please tell me they are included. I’m not anti white male veteran, my dad was one, but if since they also benefit from hiring priority, they should be included in this.

[Anonymous]

Veterans are of all races and genders.

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Anonymous wrote:Our office sent out a really nasty Hitler-like message about how if you are found NOT to have reported a DEI office or information, you will be reprimanded. It's 1930s Germany again, friends.

Everyone should have gotten that email. The templates were within the OPM memo.

If we didn't do you find that bothersome?
My agency didn't send one. Good.

The OPM memo required the fascist email be sent by EOD today. But I’m glad your agency is pushing back even if only by delaying as long as possible.

While the OPM email was a bit much, it was not fascist.

Nope. It was fascist.