Saw the Trump comment re: telework and dismissal, any words of sane advice

[Anonymous]

I don't think it's about saving DC real estate. It's just a tactic to get a lot of people to quit. If it means overcrowded offices where people are stuck in supply closets (it has a door, it's "secure") or have to sit on the floor, they don't care. They are hoping you'll quit, then Trump can say he reduced the federal workforce like he promised.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Here is a worker at the office:

Logon, go get coffee. Stand around chatting with coworkers. Respond to a few emails. Take break to sign kids up for camp and to make doctor’s appointments. Login to meeting (virtual because not everyone is in the same locality). Take lunch break to go walk around or run errands. …

c’mon now, having a butt in a chair in office doesn’t mean you’re working harder than the person at home.

C’mon now, being on site with physical supervisors with physical eyes does indeed mean you need to work harder than the person upthread whining that they can’t “load the dishwasher and cut vegetables” while being paid for it.

You mean the on-site supervisor taking the interns out for two hour coffee break? They are sitting around chatting more than anyone else in the office. Physical "eyes on" lol!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Not sure about government, but I know some people in the private sector who definitely do this. Lots of private sector folks are "working" two jobs. That's why there has been such an uproar about RTO at Amazon -- message boards are filled with Amazon employees fretting about how they're no longer going to be able to collect two paychecks.

Uh Amazon workers called their bluff and now they postponed RTO because they have no intention of increasing office space. They aren't fretting about anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Here is a worker at the office:

Logon, go get coffee. Stand around chatting with coworkers. Respond to a few emails. Take break to sign kids up for camp and to make doctor’s appointments. Login to meeting (virtual because not everyone is in the same locality). Take lunch break to go walk around or run errands. …

c’mon now, having a butt in a chair in office doesn’t mean you’re working harder than the person at home.

C’mon now, being on site with physical supervisors with physical eyes does indeed mean you need to work harder than the person upthread whining that they can’t “load the dishwasher and cut vegetables” while being paid for it.

I’m that PP. You are being silly. My point is that many of us at home may do some small personal tasks throughout the day that are no more than a few min here or there but make our lives much saner. On the flip side, I’m saving 2 hours on the commute so available later in the day or meetings and work. I’ve been at the same job for many years, all in person, then hybrid, then all telework during the pandemic, then limited hybrid until now. I do my work and I do it well. It’s not dependent on where I’m located. Honestly, I work in an office that’s pretty social when people are all in so there’s a lot less chit chatting at home. (And there’s some benefit to those relationships and chit chat which is why I do think hybrid rather than full telework has merits, but there’s no reason for everyone to be in 5 days a week)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Not sure about government, but I know some people in the private sector who definitely do this. Lots of private sector folks are "working" two jobs. That's why there has been such an uproar about RTO at Amazon -- message boards are filled with Amazon employees fretting about how they're no longer going to be able to collect two paychecks.

Uh Amazon workers called their bluff and now they postponed RTO because they have no intention of increasing office space. They aren't fretting about anything.

No it is still starting in January.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Not sure about government, but I know some people in the private sector who definitely do this. Lots of private sector folks are "working" two jobs. That's why there has been such an uproar about RTO at Amazon -- message boards are filled with Amazon employees fretting about how they're no longer going to be able to collect two paychecks.

Uh Amazon workers called their bluff and now they postponed RTO because they have no intention of increasing office space. They aren't fretting about anything.

No it is still starting in January.

That’s not what’s multiple news stories are saying

https://qz.com/amazon-rto-plans-delayed-space-shortages-retail-aws-1851722471

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-delays-full-rto-some-staff-workspace-shortages-2024-12

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/amazon-delays-return-to-office-mandate-for-thousands-of-workers?embedded-checkout=true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Not sure about government, but I know some people in the private sector who definitely do this. Lots of private sector folks are "working" two jobs. That's why there has been such an uproar about RTO at Amazon -- message boards are filled with Amazon employees fretting about how they're no longer going to be able to collect two paychecks.

Uh Amazon workers called their bluff and now they postponed RTO because they have no intention of increasing office space. They aren't fretting about anything.

No it is still starting in January.

That’s not what’s multiple news stories are saying

https://qz.com/amazon-rto-plans-delayed-space-shortages-retail-aws-1851722471

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-delays-full-rto-some-staff-workspace-shortages-2024-12

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/amazon-delays-return-to-office-mandate-for-thousands-of-workers?embedded-checkout=true

four amazon locations will continue to be hybrid until May at the latest. they postponed it for four offices for four months.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Not sure about government, but I know some people in the private sector who definitely do this. Lots of private sector folks are "working" two jobs. That's why there has been such an uproar about RTO at Amazon -- message boards are filled with Amazon employees fretting about how they're no longer going to be able to collect two paychecks.

Uh Amazon workers called their bluff and now they postponed RTO because they have no intention of increasing office space. They aren't fretting about anything.

No it is still starting in January.

That’s not what’s multiple news stories are saying

https://qz.com/amazon-rto-plans-delayed-space-shortages-retail-aws-1851722471

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-delays-full-rto-some-staff-workspace-shortages-2024-12

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/amazon-delays-return-to-office-mandate-for-thousands-of-workers?embedded-checkout=true

four amazon locations will continue to be hybrid until May at the latest. they postponed it for four offices for four months.

Large swaths of employees are exempted. (I have friends in that situation.). It is largely aimed at getting dead wood to quit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Not sure about government, but I know some people in the private sector who definitely do this. Lots of private sector folks are "working" two jobs. That's why there has been such an uproar about RTO at Amazon -- message boards are filled with Amazon employees fretting about how they're no longer going to be able to collect two paychecks.

Uh Amazon workers called their bluff and now they postponed RTO because they have no intention of increasing office space. They aren't fretting about anything.

No it is still starting in January.

That’s not what’s multiple news stories are saying

https://qz.com/amazon-rto-plans-delayed-space-shortages-retail-aws-1851722471

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-delays-full-rto-some-staff-workspace-shortages-2024-12

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/amazon-delays-return-to-office-mandate-for-thousands-of-workers?embedded-checkout=true

four amazon locations will continue to be hybrid until May at the latest. they postponed it for four offices for four months.

My Seattle son is still back in January.

[Anonymous]

Company policies are ruthless. I worked at a company who hired me as a remote employee. I was extremely productive at my work, mentored several people over the years. The closest physical office was 4 hours drive from my place. The CEO decided for everyone 6 months ago that she wants everyone to be in the office all 5 days a week. I spoke with the HR since I was hired as remote knowing there is no physical office. The HR said either I travel M-F to their physical location or move there for good or quit. I had to quit. The projects that I worked on never progressed after I left. That shows that the company really doesn't care about impacts. They will find someone else to fill in eventually.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Not sure about government, but I know some people in the private sector who definitely do this. Lots of private sector folks are "working" two jobs. That's why there has been such an uproar about RTO at Amazon -- message boards are filled with Amazon employees fretting about how they're no longer going to be able to collect two paychecks.

Uh Amazon workers called their bluff and now they postponed RTO because they have no intention of increasing office space. They aren't fretting about anything.

No it is still starting in January.

That’s not what’s multiple news stories are saying

https://qz.com/amazon-rto-plans-delayed-space-shortages-retail-aws-1851722471

https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-delays-full-rto-some-staff-workspace-shortages-2024-12

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-12-18/amazon-delays-return-to-office-mandate-for-thousands-of-workers?embedded-checkout=true

four amazon locations will continue to be hybrid until May at the latest. they postponed it for four offices for four months.

Large swaths of employees are exempted. (I have friends in that situation.). It is largely aimed at getting dead wood to quit.

which article says that?

[Anonymous]

What do we think about employees who have an annual remote work agreement 50+ miles away in a position originally classified as a dc office? DH is at DHS, and he was told a month ago it was likely he'd have to come back. Maybe they'll allow remote workers to finish out their year? Probably no relocation in this situation, right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What do we think about employees who have an annual remote work agreement 50+ miles away in a position originally classified as a dc office? DH is at DHS, and he was told a month ago it was likely he'd have to come back. Maybe they'll allow remote workers to finish out their year? Probably no relocation in this situation, right?

Not sure how relocation works if your remote job depends on a remote agreement. Those are renewed yearly so I'm assuming his job location would revert back to the original office if the agreement isn't renewed. He could check his SF50 to see if it says anything about his remote status. People hired into remote are hired directly into their home office and their position was advertised as location negotiable so I think there is a distinction.

[Anonymous]

I’m not worried. At all. It will be business as usual in my component. We’re fee funded, not appropriated, here at the USPTO. And our telework program is older than God with statutory TEAP provisions (long distance telework).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’m not worried. At all. It will be business as usual in my component. We’re fee funded, not appropriated, here at the USPTO. And our telework program is older than God with statutory TEAP provisions (long distance telework).

Doesn’t the PTO hire examiners who work from home from all over the country? How would RTO even begin to look in this case?