Saw the Trump comment re: telework and dismissal, any words of sane advice

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Anonymous wrote:I don't know why anyone is still obsessed with rigid office culture and hours. As long as the work gets done, who GAF where it is done or what hours are worked?

Such boomer thinking.

My old company is building a new office in downtown for GenZ who want to come to office at set hours in person. They need to network, be mentored, trained, find people to date, go to happy hours, go out to lunch with friends, make friends at work. Stuff the old Milenials and Gen X got to do and now they want it.

First, nobody wants to date at work: ugh. GenZ have their own friends and social networks, they do not want to go to happy hours with Gen X coworkers (nor do middle aged people of any generation go to happy hour very much: they have kids waiting at home).
I agree that some things are lost with remote work, although people are using chat tools to regain some of the spontaneity. But what I've found is that even though my Gen Z coworkers will say it's hard to do this or that networking thing remotely, the fact is they like WFH too and don't want to give that up to regain the supposed benefits of in-person culture. You will see them come in for the holiday party but that's it.

NP, the Gen Z members of my family definitely do want to go to the office. They had enough staying at home during covid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Trump has no idea that many of us were working from home long before Covid? And there is no office space for us now??

I am not union either OP...and I think we are most at risk. We will be back first and more. I think there will be many unplanned messy retirements with no transition time.

BS - There is plenty of office space for you. You just don't want to go into your cube or less than lux office. No one is forcing you to retire just because you are too lazy to work. Seems like you retired in place.

DP, but please catch up. The federal government significantly downsized its office footprint since 2020 (and was in the process of that even before COVID). Many of us have shared how we literally don’t have an office to go to, or are hotel-ing so we don’t have space to go 5 days per week. Also some people at my office have union contracts specifying their ADS must have a private office with door that closes because of the type of secure work they are doing. So they cannot just be stuck in a cube farm.

Also at large agencies you need a prospectus and then must solicit bids and then get Congressional approval to sign a new lease.

It’s clear so many of you on this thread have never worked for or with the government in any capacity, so no one really cares about the nonsense you’re pulling out of your @$$.

The commercial real estate market is in the toilet. I don't think it would be anywhere as hard as you described to quickly pick up office space in the DC core, and since the republicans control Congress, even getting Congressional approval wouldn't be much of a hindrance.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So Trump has no idea that many of us were working from home long before Covid? And there is no office space for us now??

I am not union either OP...and I think we are most at risk. We will be back first and more. I think there will be many unplanned messy retirements with no transition time.

BS - There is plenty of office space for you. You just don't want to go into your cube or less than lux office. No one is forcing you to retire just because you are too lazy to work. Seems like you retired in place.

DP, but please catch up. The federal government significantly downsized its office footprint since 2020 (and was in the process of that even before COVID). Many of us have shared how we literally don’t have an office to go to, or are hotel-ing so we don’t have space to go 5 days per week. Also some people at my office have union contracts specifying their ADS must have a private office with door that closes because of the type of secure work they are doing. So they cannot just be stuck in a cube farm.

Also at large agencies you need a prospectus and then must solicit bids and then get Congressional approval to sign a new lease.

It’s clear so many of you on this thread have never worked for or with the government in any capacity, so no one really cares about the nonsense you’re pulling out of your @$$.

The commercial real estate market is in the toilet. I don't think it would be anywhere as hard as you described to quickly pick up office space in the DC core, and since the republicans control Congress, even getting Congressional approval wouldn't be much of a hindrance.

The government doesn't just "pick up" real estate. But sure in a few years or so this could help the DC market.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why anyone is still obsessed with rigid office culture and hours. As long as the work gets done, who GAF where it is done or what hours are worked?

Such boomer thinking.

My old company is building a new office in downtown for GenZ who want to come to office at set hours in person. They need to network, be mentored, trained, find people to date, go to happy hours, go out to lunch with friends, make friends at work. Stuff the old Milenials and Gen X got to do and now they want it.

First, nobody wants to date at work: ugh. GenZ have their own friends and social networks, they do not want to go to happy hours with Gen X coworkers (nor do middle aged people of any generation go to happy hour very much: they have kids waiting at home).
I agree that some things are lost with remote work, although people are using chat tools to regain some of the spontaneity. But what I've found is that even though my Gen Z coworkers will say it's hard to do this or that networking thing remotely, the fact is they like WFH too and don't want to give that up to regain the supposed benefits of in-person culture. You will see them come in for the holiday party but that's it.

NP, the Gen Z members of my family definitely do want to go to the office. They had enough staying at home during covid.

True, though they will change their minds when they have kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Well they honestly believe that only 6% of employees work in office. So basically on day 2 of his administration someone will tell him that 50% are in office and he'll declare mission accomplished.

Good point. The "concept of a plan" was a success before he even started. Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't know why anyone is still obsessed with rigid office culture and hours. As long as the work gets done, who GAF where it is done or what hours are worked?

Such boomer thinking.

My old company is building a new office in downtown for GenZ who want to come to office at set hours in person. They need to network, be mentored, trained, find people to date, go to happy hours, go out to lunch with friends, make friends at work. Stuff the old Milenials and Gen X got to do and now they want it.

First, nobody wants to date at work: ugh. GenZ have their own friends and social networks, they do not want to go to happy hours with Gen X coworkers (nor do middle aged people of any generation go to happy hour very much: they have kids waiting at home).
I agree that some things are lost with remote work, although people are using chat tools to regain some of the spontaneity. But what I've found is that even though my Gen Z coworkers will say it's hard to do this or that networking thing remotely, the fact is they like WFH too and don't want to give that up to regain the supposed benefits of in-person culture. You will see them come in for the holiday party but that's it.

NP, the Gen Z members of my family definitely do want to go to the office. They had enough staying at home during covid.

True, though they will change their minds when they have kids.

They aren’t going to have them. I keep seeing people bragging about long work hours and pushback against work flexibility. It’s going to push the birth rate down.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Trump has no idea that many of us were working from home long before Covid? And there is no office space for us now??

I am not union either OP...and I think we are most at risk. We will be back first and more. I think there will be many unplanned messy retirements with no transition time.

BS - There is plenty of office space for you. You just don't want to go into your cube or less than lux office. No one is forcing you to retire just because you are too lazy to work. Seems like you retired in place.

DP, but please catch up. The federal government significantly downsized its office footprint since 2020 (and was in the process of that even before COVID). Many of us have shared how we literally don’t have an office to go to, or are hotel-ing so we don’t have space to go 5 days per week. Also some people at my office have union contracts specifying their ADS must have a private office with door that closes because of the type of secure work they are doing. So they cannot just be stuck in a cube farm.

Also at large agencies you need a prospectus and then must solicit bids and then get Congressional approval to sign a new lease.

It’s clear so many of you on this thread have never worked for or with the government in any capacity, so no one really cares about the nonsense you’re pulling out of your @$$.

The commercial real estate market is in the toilet. I don't think it would be anywhere as hard as you described to quickly pick up office space in the DC core, and since the republicans control Congress, even getting Congressional approval wouldn't be much of a hindrance.

Elon just stopped them from passing a CR because it would spend too much money. But Congress is now going to fork over money to lease new buildings?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Trump has no idea that many of us were working from home long before Covid? And there is no office space for us now??

I am not union either OP...and I think we are most at risk. We will be back first and more. I think there will be many unplanned messy retirements with no transition time.

BS - There is plenty of office space for you. You just don't want to go into your cube or less than lux office. No one is forcing you to retire just because you are too lazy to work. Seems like you retired in place.

DP, but please catch up. The federal government significantly downsized its office footprint since 2020 (and was in the process of that even before COVID). Many of us have shared how we literally don’t have an office to go to, or are hotel-ing so we don’t have space to go 5 days per week. Also some people at my office have union contracts specifying their ADS must have a private office with door that closes because of the type of secure work they are doing. So they cannot just be stuck in a cube farm.

Also at large agencies you need a prospectus and then must solicit bids and then get Congressional approval to sign a new lease.

It’s clear so many of you on this thread have never worked for or with the government in any capacity, so no one really cares about the nonsense you’re pulling out of your @$$.

+1. Just a bunch of trolls and losers with nothing better to do than comment on things they know nothing about.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Trump has no idea that many of us were working from home long before Covid? And there is no office space for us now??

I am not union either OP...and I think we are most at risk. We will be back first and more. I think there will be many unplanned messy retirements with no transition time.

BS - There is plenty of office space for you. You just don't want to go into your cube or less than lux office. No one is forcing you to retire just because you are too lazy to work. Seems like you retired in place.

DP, but please catch up. The federal government significantly downsized its office footprint since 2020 (and was in the process of that even before COVID). Many of us have shared how we literally don’t have an office to go to, or are hotel-ing so we don’t have space to go 5 days per week. Also some people at my office have union contracts specifying their ADS must have a private office with door that closes because of the type of secure work they are doing. So they cannot just be stuck in a cube farm.

Also at large agencies you need a prospectus and then must solicit bids and then get Congressional approval to sign a new lease.

It’s clear so many of you on this thread have never worked for or with the government in any capacity, so no one really cares about the nonsense you’re pulling out of your @$$.

The commercial real estate market is in the toilet. I don't think it would be anywhere as hard as you described to quickly pick up office space in the DC core, and since the republicans control Congress, even getting Congressional approval wouldn't be much of a hindrance.

Elon just stopped them from passing a CR because it would spend too much money. But Congress is now going to fork over money to lease new buildings?

What does this mean? He is not an elected official last I knew. WTF America.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Trump has no idea that many of us were working from home long before Covid? And there is no office space for us now??

I am not union either OP...and I think we are most at risk. We will be back first and more. I think there will be many unplanned messy retirements with no transition time.

BS - There is plenty of office space for you. You just don't want to go into your cube or less than lux office. No one is forcing you to retire just because you are too lazy to work. Seems like you retired in place.

DP, but please catch up. The federal government significantly downsized its office footprint since 2020 (and was in the process of that even before COVID). Many of us have shared how we literally don’t have an office to go to, or are hotel-ing so we don’t have space to go 5 days per week. Also some people at my office have union contracts specifying their ADS must have a private office with door that closes because of the type of secure work they are doing. So they cannot just be stuck in a cube farm.

Also at large agencies you need a prospectus and then must solicit bids and then get Congressional approval to sign a new lease.

It’s clear so many of you on this thread have never worked for or with the government in any capacity, so no one really cares about the nonsense you’re pulling out of your @$$.

The commercial real estate market is in the toilet. I don't think it would be anywhere as hard as you described to quickly pick up office space in the DC core, and since the republicans control Congress, even getting Congressional approval wouldn't be much of a hindrance.

Elon just stopped them from passing a CR because it would spend too much money. But Congress is now going to fork over money to lease new buildings?

Apparently they will if that’s what Elon wants. . .

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So Trump has no idea that many of us were working from home long before Covid? And there is no office space for us now??

I am not union either OP...and I think we are most at risk. We will be back first and more. I think there will be many unplanned messy retirements with no transition time.

BS - There is plenty of office space for you. You just don't want to go into your cube or less than lux office. No one is forcing you to retire just because you are too lazy to work. Seems like you retired in place.

DP, but please catch up. The federal government significantly downsized its office footprint since 2020 (and was in the process of that even before COVID). Many of us have shared how we literally don’t have an office to go to, or are hotel-ing so we don’t have space to go 5 days per week. Also some people at my office have union contracts specifying their ADS must have a private office with door that closes because of the type of secure work they are doing. So they cannot just be stuck in a cube farm.

Also at large agencies you need a prospectus and then must solicit bids and then get Congressional approval to sign a new lease.

It’s clear so many of you on this thread have never worked for or with the government in any capacity, so no one really cares about the nonsense you’re pulling out of your @$$.

The commercial real estate market is in the toilet. I don't think it would be anywhere as hard as you described to quickly pick up office space in the DC core, and since the republicans control Congress, even getting Congressional approval wouldn't be much of a hindrance.

apparently the commercial market is so far in the toilet that building owners can't afford to issue new leases because they can't afford to pay the leasing agents the fee. so the buildings will stay vacant until that particular game of chicken resolves.

[Anonymous]

Elon Mush in 2021 Paid himself 11 billion in income taxes. If the average Fed worker makes 100K a year he personally paid the salaries of 110,000 Fed employees.

Now how would you feel if you were him knowing that number?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Elon Mush in 2021 Paid himself 11 billion in income taxes. If the average Fed worker makes 100K a year he personally paid the salaries of 110,000 Fed employees.

Now how would you feel if you were him knowing that number?

I would feel exceptionally stupid because this is not how federal revenues and expenditures work. At all. Wow.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Here is a worker at the office:

Logon, go get coffee. Stand around chatting with coworkers. Respond to a few emails. Take break to sign kids up for camp and to make doctor’s appointments. Login to meeting (virtual because not everyone is in the same locality). Take lunch break to go walk around or run errands. …

c’mon now, having a butt in a chair in office doesn’t mean you’re working harder than the person at home.

C’mon now, being on site with physical supervisors with physical eyes does indeed mean you need to work harder than the person upthread whining that they can’t “load the dishwasher and cut vegetables” while being paid for it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here is a govt work at home. Log on respond some emails, open word doc put coffee mug on key board so it types away nonsense, go get dressed come back push some more buttons.

Here is a worker at the office:

Logon, go get coffee. Stand around chatting with coworkers. Respond to a few emails. Take break to sign kids up for camp and to make doctor’s appointments. Login to meeting (virtual because not everyone is in the same locality). Take lunch break to go walk around or run errands. …

c’mon now, having a butt in a chair in office doesn’t mean you’re working harder than the person at home.

C’mon now, being on site with physical supervisors with physical eyes does indeed mean you need to work harder than the person upthread whining that they can’t “load the dishwasher and cut vegetables” while being paid for it.

No, it doesn’t.