If you have more than a million in investments, have you purchased BITCOIN in any form? if so how much?

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Interesting meta fact: BTC is up 7% in the 7 days that this thread has existed.

(~$98,700 to ~$106000)

OP here. Good observation. I bought more today. Like many people on this board, I used to be very skeptical. I’m still cautious- I take calculated risks but also play it safe and very diversified. So I’ve been struggling with how much to own. I think it’s totally plausible that it becomes a 20 trillion asset class in time and I simply don’t want to miss out.

If it becomes a 20 trillion asset what do you think USD buying power will be then? I doubt anyone posting here is sitting in cash, investment of any kind whether it's stock, fund, or RE will also go up in that case, unless you think BTC is so special. Apparently it trends with the S&P 500 and goes up and down with it. It doesn't behave like gold or currency, it behaves like a stock

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Anonymous wrote:I’m actually glad to see so many against bitcoin. This forum is probably reflective of the sentiment of a lot of “DC urban moms and dads” who haven’t caught on that Bitcoin is the part of the future of finance. You’re a good sample set of a subsection of America’s public. Your hesitancy shows we have a way to go. Prices have not yet begun to reach their zenith. I’m going to keep buying bitcoin. Even through the impending crash or pullback. Thanks, all.

OP here - yes, the replies here suggest how early we are. Financially sophisticated people still have virtually no understanding of it. Any rational long term investor should have at least some allocation. Risky sure but Upside potential too immense

My husband manages a hedge fund and we own zero bit coin. But I'm sure you are much more financially sophisticated than him. He has never thought of crowd sourcing financial advice from DCUM, so that's obviously shows how little he knows about the stock market and the economy.

Don't waste your time arguing with crypto clowns. It's like talking to someone who watches Fox News. You quickly see a trend, and the trend is zero substance.

Why the snottiness? Bitcoin is now worth $2 trillion. Anyone who has invested in it before a few weeks ago has either made good money or tremendous money. You would think it might make sense to do more listening and less lecturing. An asset that has grown from zero to $2 trillion in 15 years with millions of owners globally - pretty dumb to just dismiss it as nonsense no?

It is precisely why I am apprehensive about it. What exactly made it go from 0 to 2 trillion? What was it other than hype and mutual decision of some people that it represents monetary value? All that is needed is for the token to be mutually agreed on as holding "value" and then those holding or "mining" it would become richer and richer as bottom feeders are feeling FOMO (which is like MLM scheme). It's a weird asset class if you think of it. It was conceived as "currency" and touted as digital gold. But it behaves as a volatile stock.

What is its future? If it becomes currency then there needs to be liquidity, holding it and not having enough sales volume will hamper it from becoming currency. Another token will be needed to use as "money" backed up by Bitcoin, just like USD was once backed up by Gold. If it continues being a speculative asset at some point it will reach the limit of its growth and its growth is propelled by nothing but belief that it's new "digital" Gold.

It’s a final form of money just like any other - like the dollar or gold. It has the advantage of being continuously liquid and supply constrained and ultimately beyond the reach of any single government or actor - it’s an amazing technological innovation- you don’t grow to 2 trillion over 16 years based on pure speculation- as you said there can be other digital tokens- but this is the winner - the digital monetary network everyone uses that works and now has massive liquidity and depth - the question is does it now grow to 20 trillion?

There is a fundamental issue with something that's considered "currency" and at the same time is touted as an asset to hold long term and never sell. It's not how currency behaves, and currencies don't keep climbing in price because everyone has to have some and it can no longer be held, it will have to be exchanged for goods/services, other assets people need. Increased liquidity and transactability will stabilize its value and maybe even deflate it as it will get pegged to measure other assets, goods, services and not simply be a favorable comparison to the decreasing purchasing power of the fiat currency (USD). It will stop behaving as a valuable stock.

Another issue with it is social unrest. The biggest holders will win and own the world while bottom feeders (working class) will be forced to buy at the highest price. We don't know who Satoshi is (what entity is behind Bitcoin), who holds a huge chunk of it. To me this looks like another huge wealth/power transfer.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't like trying to convince people on the merits of bitcoin. Rather than tell people to "buy bitcoin" I prefer to tell them to "learn about bitcoin" -- that usually results in people who take the time to do so ending up buying some.

The best reference I can think of is the book "The Bitcoin Standard". If you're open-minded and want to understand how something has gone from zero to a 2 Trillion USD asset over the course of about 15 years, that's the place to start.

It's the FOMO effect. But the caveat is that those of us who have to buy it today already missed. Will it do better than other investments? Under what circumstances?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m actually glad to see so many against bitcoin. This forum is probably reflective of the sentiment of a lot of “DC urban moms and dads” who haven’t caught on that Bitcoin is the part of the future of finance. You’re a good sample set of a subsection of America’s public. Your hesitancy shows we have a way to go. Prices have not yet begun to reach their zenith. I’m going to keep buying bitcoin. Even through the impending crash or pullback. Thanks, all.

OP here - yes, the replies here suggest how early we are. Financially sophisticated people still have virtually no understanding of it. Any rational long term investor should have at least some allocation. Risky sure but Upside potential too immense

My husband manages a hedge fund and we own zero bit coin. But I'm sure you are much more financially sophisticated than him. He has never thought of crowd sourcing financial advice from DCUM, so that's obviously shows how little he knows about the stock market and the economy.

Don't waste your time arguing with crypto clowns. It's like talking to someone who watches Fox News. You quickly see a trend, and the trend is zero substance.

Why the snottiness? Bitcoin is now worth $2 trillion. Anyone who has invested in it before a few weeks ago has either made good money or tremendous money. You would think it might make sense to do more listening and less lecturing. An asset that has grown from zero to $2 trillion in 15 years with millions of owners globally - pretty dumb to just dismiss it as nonsense no?

It is precisely why I am apprehensive about it. What exactly made it go from 0 to 2 trillion? What was it other than hype and mutual decision of some people that it represents monetary value? All that is needed is for the token to be mutually agreed on as holding "value" and then those holding or "mining" it would become richer and richer as bottom feeders are feeling FOMO (which is like MLM scheme). It's a weird asset class if you think of it. It was conceived as "currency" and touted as digital gold. But it behaves as a volatile stock.

What is its future? If it becomes currency then there needs to be liquidity, holding it and not having enough sales volume will hamper it from becoming currency. Another token will be needed to use as "money" backed up by Bitcoin, just like USD was once backed up by Gold. If it continues being a speculative asset at some point it will reach the limit of its growth and its growth is propelled by nothing but belief that it's new "digital" Gold.

It’s a final form of money just like any other - like the dollar or gold. It has the advantage of being continuously liquid and supply constrained and ultimately beyond the reach of any single government or actor - it’s an amazing technological innovation- you don’t grow to 2 trillion over 16 years based on pure speculation- as you said there can be other digital tokens- but this is the winner - the digital monetary network everyone uses that works and now has massive liquidity and depth - the question is does it now grow to 20 trillion?

It's not that liquid. There's going to be a need for the extra token to be tied to BTC (backed up by it) that would be transactable. This token cannot be limited in the same way as BTC, and likely will become a new FIAT..

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Anonymous wrote:
Interesting meta fact: BTC is up 7% in the 7 days that this thread has existed.

(~$98,700 to ~$106000)

OP here. Good observation. I bought more today. Like many people on this board, I used to be very skeptical. I’m still cautious- I take calculated risks but also play it safe and very diversified. So I’ve been struggling with how much to own. I think it’s totally plausible that it becomes a 20 trillion asset class in time and I simply don’t want to miss out.

If it becomes a 20 trillion asset what do you think USD buying power will be then? I doubt anyone posting here is sitting in cash, investment of any kind whether it's stock, fund, or RE will also go up in that case, unless you think BTC is so special. Apparently it trends with the S&P 500 and goes up and down with it. It doesn't behave like gold or currency, it behaves like a stock

Yes it has some of the qualities of a tech stock. The way I see it, it’s an emerging monetary network. At some point it will mature and volatility will decline - gold is $18 trillion asset class so that is where $20 trillion comes from. The world will not implode if Bitcoin is $20 trillion. NVIDIA went to $3 trillion- no big deal. NVIDIA is 1.5x Bitcoin right now

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Anonymous wrote:I’m actually glad to see so many against bitcoin. This forum is probably reflective of the sentiment of a lot of “DC urban moms and dads” who haven’t caught on that Bitcoin is the part of the future of finance. You’re a good sample set of a subsection of America’s public. Your hesitancy shows we have a way to go. Prices have not yet begun to reach their zenith. I’m going to keep buying bitcoin. Even through the impending crash or pullback. Thanks, all.

OP here - yes, the replies here suggest how early we are. Financially sophisticated people still have virtually no understanding of it. Any rational long term investor should have at least some allocation. Risky sure but Upside potential too immense

My husband manages a hedge fund and we own zero bit coin. But I'm sure you are much more financially sophisticated than him. He has never thought of crowd sourcing financial advice from DCUM, so that's obviously shows how little he knows about the stock market and the economy.

Don't waste your time arguing with crypto clowns. It's like talking to someone who watches Fox News. You quickly see a trend, and the trend is zero substance.

Why the snottiness? Bitcoin is now worth $2 trillion. Anyone who has invested in it before a few weeks ago has either made good money or tremendous money. You would think it might make sense to do more listening and less lecturing. An asset that has grown from zero to $2 trillion in 15 years with millions of owners globally - pretty dumb to just dismiss it as nonsense no?

It is precisely why I am apprehensive about it. What exactly made it go from 0 to 2 trillion? What was it other than hype and mutual decision of some people that it represents monetary value? All that is needed is for the token to be mutually agreed on as holding "value" and then those holding or "mining" it would become richer and richer as bottom feeders are feeling FOMO (which is like MLM scheme). It's a weird asset class if you think of it. It was conceived as "currency" and touted as digital gold. But it behaves as a volatile stock.

What is its future? If it becomes currency then there needs to be liquidity, holding it and not having enough sales volume will hamper it from becoming currency. Another token will be needed to use as "money" backed up by Bitcoin, just like USD was once backed up by Gold. If it continues being a speculative asset at some point it will reach the limit of its growth and its growth is propelled by nothing but belief that it's new "digital" Gold.

It’s a final form of money just like any other - like the dollar or gold. It has the advantage of being continuously liquid and supply constrained and ultimately beyond the reach of any single government or actor - it’s an amazing technological innovation- you don’t grow to 2 trillion over 16 years based on pure speculation- as you said there can be other digital tokens- but this is the winner - the digital monetary network everyone uses that works and now has massive liquidity and depth - the question is does it now grow to 20 trillion?

There is a fundamental issue with something that's considered "currency" and at the same time is touted as an asset to hold long term and never sell. It's not how currency behaves, and currencies don't keep climbing in price because everyone has to have some and it can no longer be held, it will have to be exchanged for goods/services, other assets people need. Increased liquidity and transactability will stabilize its value and maybe even deflate it as it will get pegged to measure other assets, goods, services and not simply be a favorable comparison to the decreasing purchasing power of the fiat currency (USD). It will stop behaving as a valuable stock.

Another issue with it is social unrest. The biggest holders will win and own the world while bottom feeders (working class) will be forced to buy at the highest price. We don't know who Satoshi is (what entity is behind Bitcoin), who holds a huge chunk of it. To me this looks like another huge wealth/power transfer.

It’s just an alternative to gold. If the gold price doubled again as it basically has in past 10 years it would create $20 trillion of value. This wouldn’t cause social unrest. BTC coming from smaller starting point.

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Anonymous wrote:
Interesting meta fact: BTC is up 7% in the 7 days that this thread has existed.

(~$98,700 to ~$106000)

OP here. Good observation. I bought more today. Like many people on this board, I used to be very skeptical. I’m still cautious- I take calculated risks but also play it safe and very diversified. So I’ve been struggling with how much to own. I think it’s totally plausible that it becomes a 20 trillion asset class in time and I simply don’t want to miss out.

If it becomes a 20 trillion asset what do you think USD buying power will be then? I doubt anyone posting here is sitting in cash, investment of any kind whether it's stock, fund, or RE will also go up in that case, unless you think BTC is so special. Apparently it trends with the S&P 500 and goes up and down with it. It doesn't behave like gold or currency, it behaves like a stock

I'm not sure what you mean be "special" but BTC is unique and it is up 150% over the past year.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m actually glad to see so many against bitcoin. This forum is probably reflective of the sentiment of a lot of “DC urban moms and dads” who haven’t caught on that Bitcoin is the part of the future of finance. You’re a good sample set of a subsection of America’s public. Your hesitancy shows we have a way to go. Prices have not yet begun to reach their zenith. I’m going to keep buying bitcoin. Even through the impending crash or pullback. Thanks, all.

OP here - yes, the replies here suggest how early we are. Financially sophisticated people still have virtually no understanding of it. Any rational long term investor should have at least some allocation. Risky sure but Upside potential too immense

My husband manages a hedge fund and we own zero bit coin. But I'm sure you are much more financially sophisticated than him. He has never thought of crowd sourcing financial advice from DCUM, so that's obviously shows how little he knows about the stock market and the economy.

Don't waste your time arguing with crypto clowns. It's like talking to someone who watches Fox News. You quickly see a trend, and the trend is zero substance.

Why the snottiness? Bitcoin is now worth $2 trillion. Anyone who has invested in it before a few weeks ago has either made good money or tremendous money. You would think it might make sense to do more listening and less lecturing. An asset that has grown from zero to $2 trillion in 15 years with millions of owners globally - pretty dumb to just dismiss it as nonsense no?

It is precisely why I am apprehensive about it. What exactly made it go from 0 to 2 trillion? What was it other than hype and mutual decision of some people that it represents monetary value? All that is needed is for the token to be mutually agreed on as holding "value" and then those holding or "mining" it would become richer and richer as bottom feeders are feeling FOMO (which is like MLM scheme). It's a weird asset class if you think of it. It was conceived as "currency" and touted as digital gold. But it behaves as a volatile stock.

What is its future? If it becomes currency then there needs to be liquidity, holding it and not having enough sales volume will hamper it from becoming currency. Another token will be needed to use as "money" backed up by Bitcoin, just like USD was once backed up by Gold. If it continues being a speculative asset at some point it will reach the limit of its growth and its growth is propelled by nothing but belief that it's new "digital" Gold.

It’s a final form of money just like any other - like the dollar or gold. It has the advantage of being continuously liquid and supply constrained and ultimately beyond the reach of any single government or actor - it’s an amazing technological innovation- you don’t grow to 2 trillion over 16 years based on pure speculation- as you said there can be other digital tokens- but this is the winner - the digital monetary network everyone uses that works and now has massive liquidity and depth - the question is does it now grow to 20 trillion?

It's not that liquid. There's going to be a need for the extra token to be tied to BTC (backed up by it) that would be transactable. This token cannot be limited in the same way as BTC, and likely will become a new FIAT..

Assuming your premise is true (i.e., that there will be a need for an extra token to be tied to bitcoin) to better facilitate transactions, such a token would be very different from fiat. Fiat can be debased--printed out of thin air--and is tied to nothing. A token that is "tied to BTC" by definition cannot be debased like fiat.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m actually glad to see so many against bitcoin. This forum is probably reflective of the sentiment of a lot of “DC urban moms and dads” who haven’t caught on that Bitcoin is the part of the future of finance. You’re a good sample set of a subsection of America’s public. Your hesitancy shows we have a way to go. Prices have not yet begun to reach their zenith. I’m going to keep buying bitcoin. Even through the impending crash or pullback. Thanks, all.

OP here - yes, the replies here suggest how early we are. Financially sophisticated people still have virtually no understanding of it. Any rational long term investor should have at least some allocation. Risky sure but Upside potential too immense

My husband manages a hedge fund and we own zero bit coin. But I'm sure you are much more financially sophisticated than him. He has never thought of crowd sourcing financial advice from DCUM, so that's obviously shows how little he knows about the stock market and the economy.

Don't waste your time arguing with crypto clowns. It's like talking to someone who watches Fox News. You quickly see a trend, and the trend is zero substance.

Why the snottiness? Bitcoin is now worth $2 trillion. Anyone who has invested in it before a few weeks ago has either made good money or tremendous money. You would think it might make sense to do more listening and less lecturing. An asset that has grown from zero to $2 trillion in 15 years with millions of owners globally - pretty dumb to just dismiss it as nonsense no?

It is precisely why I am apprehensive about it. What exactly made it go from 0 to 2 trillion? What was it other than hype and mutual decision of some people that it represents monetary value? All that is needed is for the token to be mutually agreed on as holding "value" and then those holding or "mining" it would become richer and richer as bottom feeders are feeling FOMO (which is like MLM scheme). It's a weird asset class if you think of it. It was conceived as "currency" and touted as digital gold. But it behaves as a volatile stock.

What is its future? If it becomes currency then there needs to be liquidity, holding it and not having enough sales volume will hamper it from becoming currency. Another token will be needed to use as "money" backed up by Bitcoin, just like USD was once backed up by Gold. If it continues being a speculative asset at some point it will reach the limit of its growth and its growth is propelled by nothing but belief that it's new "digital" Gold.

It’s a final form of money just like any other - like the dollar or gold. It has the advantage of being continuously liquid and supply constrained and ultimately beyond the reach of any single government or actor - it’s an amazing technological innovation- you don’t grow to 2 trillion over 16 years based on pure speculation- as you said there can be other digital tokens- but this is the winner - the digital monetary network everyone uses that works and now has massive liquidity and depth - the question is does it now grow to 20 trillion?

It's not that liquid. There's going to be a need for the extra token to be tied to BTC (backed up by it) that would be transactable. This token cannot be limited in the same way as BTC, and likely will become a new FIAT..

Assuming your premise is true (i.e., that there will be a need for an extra token to be tied to bitcoin) to better facilitate transactions, such a token would be very different from fiat. Fiat can be debased--printed out of thin air--and is tied to nothing. A token that is "tied to BTC" by definition cannot be debased like fiat.

Technologies including other tokens that layer upon bitcoin and make it more transactable do not undermine Bitcoin but make it more valuable. Bitcoin is not designed for small everyday purchases.

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Micro Strategy (MSTR) was just added to the "Q's" (NASDAQ 100 -- QQQ) so the number of folks now invested in Bitcoin (BTC) just went up drastically (whether they like it or not).

See:

https://www.theblock.co/post/330903/microstrategy-to-join-nasdaq-100-qqq-etf-following-500-rally-this-year

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No. NVDA and TLSA are just as profitable but have much stronger fundamentals.

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Between the spouse and I we are just under 5 mil net worth between stocks, re, cash, and crypto. Both mid-40's. BTC holdings in the low 5 figs but mid 6 figs in the alt coins. Started buying crypto in 2017 and pulled out initial investment years ago. Have been staking and farming other crypto assets ever since.

Fun to see this debate resurfacing here on DCUM with more folks now on the crypto bandwagon.

Lastly, I personally wouldn't recommend BTC at this price but if it ever hits $60k or lower I'd recommend it and even buy it myself.

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Over 4 million net worth. Almost 450k of that in crypto (300k in bitcoin, rest other crypto)

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$15M in investment accounts. No Bitcoin. Until I understand how it's valued I'll stay on the sidelines. But kudos to those who have made realized gains on it.

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$14M invested and no bitcoin. We are in our 60s and retirement is within a year.