State report says 7 Virginia universities should be monitored as enrollment cliff approaches

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Anonymous wrote:I think it would be nice if VA made community college free like some other states. A tiny bit off topic, but really ... something to consider.

My child probably could have gone the community college route. We took a leap of faith and sent her to a 4 year school that caters to her specific needs and has the programs she wants. We luckily had that luxury. Many families do not.

Nothing is free, so, no thanks. I don’t really want to pay for your kid’s education through my tax dollars.

There’s a lot of things I don’t want to pay for with my taxes. Or I pay for but dont use. So that’s a dumb comment.

You’re “dumb,” as exposed by your lack of logical response. You made my point, we already pay for too much stuff we don’t want to pay for with our taxes. Providing a “free” education for adults is a ridiculous add on. Same with student loan forgiveness. No way.

lol. How asinine. You don’t successfully run a country by just continuing to pile on taxes. (Same poster)

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

What’s wrong with VSU is that they had 5,000 undergraduates in 2010 and have about 3800 today. The market is voting.

I visited VSU multiple times in high school. The same separation is happening with HBCUs as elsewhere. Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, and to a lesser extent Hampton are drawing the best students and leaving others behind.

Hampton in particular is siphoning off students from VSU. Hampton got $30m from McKenzie Scott and its endowment is approaching Howards.

VSU also received money from her.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

What’s wrong with VSU is that they had 5,000 undergraduates in 2010 and have about 3800 today. The market is voting.

I visited VSU multiple times in high school. The same separation is happening with HBCUs as elsewhere. Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, and to a lesser extent Hampton are drawing the best students and leaving others behind.

Hampton in particular is siphoning off students from VSU. Hampton got $30m from McKenzie Scott and its endowment is approaching Howards.

The market is reflecting 100+ years of underfunding.

BS

You’re surprised students don’t want to attend a college that hasn’t been given enough money to maintain the campus and buildings? Maybe if they had been given appropriate funding 100 years ago they could have attracted better students and faculty members over the decades. Funding matters, but the folks that underfunded HBCU’s knew what they were doing.

Exactly.

Sounds like those very fine people now want to close VSU.

Given how VSU was formed (racists didn’t want black kids admitted to VT) and how VA has underfunded VSU for decades, VA should give VSU the option to become part of VT.

If they are backed by the resources of VT they might be able to better meet their goals/focus.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

What’s wrong with VSU is that they had 5,000 undergraduates in 2010 and have about 3800 today. The market is voting.

I visited VSU multiple times in high school. The same separation is happening with HBCUs as elsewhere. Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, and to a lesser extent Hampton are drawing the best students and leaving others behind.

Hampton in particular is siphoning off students from VSU. Hampton got $30m from McKenzie Scott and its endowment is approaching Howards.

The market is reflecting 100+ years of underfunding.

BS

You’re surprised students don’t want to attend a college that hasn’t been given enough money to maintain the campus and buildings? Maybe if they had been given appropriate funding 100 years ago they could have attracted better students and faculty members over the decades. Funding matters, but the folks that underfunded HBCU’s knew what they were doing.

Exactly.

Sounds like those very fine people now want to close VSU.

Given how VSU was formed (racists didn’t want black kids admitted to VT) and how VA has underfunded VSU for decades, VA should give VSU the option to become part of VT.

If they are backed by the resources of VT they might be able to better meet their goals/focus.

+100 spot on

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Anonymous wrote:Some of you are positive gleeful that smaller and more affordable (relatively speaking) colleges are having problems.

And it's super weird. Not to mention ugly.

+1 It’s shocking this thread went from being gleeful that some colleges might close to saying large groups of students shouldn’t go to college at all. Folks, other kids deserve college too. Get a grip.

College is not a right. If you didn't do the work in k-12, for whatever reason, you're not automatically entitled to a 4 year college. A GED and community college is an established path that can lead you to a bachelor's degree. Many people already choose that path.

Why not?

NP-How bout you tell everyone why it should be a right first.

Why is free K-12 a right?

DP here. I don't actually think it should, but that is beyond the scope of this post. In many European countries for example, HS ends after 10th grade if you are not a good student.

I also vehemently disagree with all of the "wrap around services" provided by our public education dollars, at the expense of providing better a better education.

Yes, but people in those countries don't have an expectation of nearly-universal college education and many other pathways are available - the trades, apprenticeships and the like. And these pathways are free or nearly free - they are paid for out of the public purse because people pay much higher taxes - this is why college education is souch cheaper in Europe as well. Unfortunately most people in the US would never agree to this (and no, I don't mean to turn this thread into a political discussion, just stating a fact).

Their societies are not as stratified as ours and it is possible to have a MC/UMC life there without college, which is much more difficult here. They have few mega wealthy individuals and offer more state services so a “normal” life is easier to attain (but it is harder to be really rich). College is largely for people who want to be academics. The culture is just very different here so it is hard to compare.

I, for one, am happy to live here. I have a kid who would have been weeded out of the college path at 12 or so when they decide for you. My DC has learning disabilities and was not succeeding academically at 12, but now attends a T25.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

You know why.

No, I don't.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

DP. VT is not an "agricultural school" - it offers some majors in agriculture, but it offers a wealth of other disciplines. And there's nothing wrong with an HBCU - but if the interest isn't there, which is clearly the issue with VSU, then why should the state continue funding it? Black students are thriving elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

What’s wrong with VSU is that they had 5,000 undergraduates in 2010 and have about 3800 today. The market is voting.

I visited VSU multiple times in high school. The same separation is happening with HBCUs as elsewhere. Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, and to a lesser extent Hampton are drawing the best students and leaving others behind.

Hampton in particular is siphoning off students from VSU. Hampton got $30m from McKenzie Scott and its endowment is approaching Howards.

The market is reflecting 100+ years of underfunding.

BS

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You can't force black students to attend schools they aren't interested in. In fact, why are some of these posters trying to do exactly that? Students will decide where THEY want to go and they certainly don't need certain busybodies insisting they attend HBCUs if the students *don't want to.*

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

What’s wrong with VSU is that they had 5,000 undergraduates in 2010 and have about 3800 today. The market is voting.

I visited VSU multiple times in high school. The same separation is happening with HBCUs as elsewhere. Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, and to a lesser extent Hampton are drawing the best students and leaving others behind.

Hampton in particular is siphoning off students from VSU. Hampton got $30m from McKenzie Scott and its endowment is approaching Howards.

The market is reflecting 100+ years of underfunding.

BS

You’re surprised students don’t want to attend a college that hasn’t been given enough money to maintain the campus and buildings? Maybe if they had been given appropriate funding 100 years ago they could have attracted better students and faculty members over the decades. Funding matters, but the folks that underfunded HBCU’s knew what they were doing.

Exactly.

Sounds like those very fine people now want to close VSU.

Given how VSU was formed (racists didn’t want black kids admitted to VT) and how VA has underfunded VSU for decades, VA should give VSU the option to become part of VT.

If they are backed by the resources of VT they might be able to better meet their goals/focus.

Curious why you're blaming any of this on VT - VA State is located near Richmond.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

What’s wrong with VSU is that they had 5,000 undergraduates in 2010 and have about 3800 today. The market is voting.

I visited VSU multiple times in high school. The same separation is happening with HBCUs as elsewhere. Howard, Spelman, Morehouse, and to a lesser extent Hampton are drawing the best students and leaving others behind.

Hampton in particular is siphoning off students from VSU. Hampton got $30m from McKenzie Scott and its endowment is approaching Howards.

The market is reflecting 100+ years of underfunding.

BS

You’re surprised students don’t want to attend a college that hasn’t been given enough money to maintain the campus and buildings? Maybe if they had been given appropriate funding 100 years ago they could have attracted better students and faculty members over the decades. Funding matters, but the folks that underfunded HBCU’s knew what they were doing.

Exactly.

Sounds like those very fine people now want to close VSU.

Given how VSU was formed (racists didn’t want black kids admitted to VT) and how VA has underfunded VSU for decades, VA should give VSU the option to become part of VT.

If they are backed by the resources of VT they might be able to better meet their goals/focus.

Curious why you're blaming any of this on VT - VA State is located near Richmond.
DP

DP- When VT was founded by the Morrill Act they had the choice of admitting African Americans or giving some of their funding for a separate, segregated institution. They opted for segregation and VSU was founded.

https://www.vpm.org/news/2023-09-29/hbcu-virginia-land-grant-university-vsu-vt

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

DP. VT is not an "agricultural school" - it offers some majors in agriculture, but it offers a wealth of other disciplines. And there's nothing wrong with an HBCU - but if the interest isn't there, which is clearly the issue with VSU, then why should the state continue funding it? Black students are thriving elsewhere.

It is primarily considered an Ag school, just like NC State. Even with other disciplines, the vast majority of graduates from those other disciplines become mid-tier workers (teachers, nurses), not Phds, doctors, lawyers. The latter trio is possible sure but it is a very small minority of graduates. Contrast that with William and Mary and UVA graduates: a much larger percent of grads become white-collar workers.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

DP. VT is not an "agricultural school" - it offers some majors in agriculture, but it offers a wealth of other disciplines. And there's nothing wrong with an HBCU - but if the interest isn't there, which is clearly the issue with VSU, then why should the state continue funding it? Black students are thriving elsewhere.

It is primarily considered an Ag school, just like NC State. Even with other disciplines, the vast majority of graduates from those other disciplines become mid-tier workers (teachers, nurses), not Phds, doctors, lawyers. The latter trio is possible sure but it is a very small minority of graduates.
Contrast that with William and Mary and UVA graduates: a much larger percent of grads become white-collar workers.

What on earth? I guess I need to let all the PhDs, doctors, and lawyers I know who are VT alumni know what some random internet poster claims.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

DP. VT is not an "agricultural school" - it offers some majors in agriculture, but it offers a wealth of other disciplines. And there's nothing wrong with an HBCU - but if the interest isn't there, which is clearly the issue with VSU, then why should the state continue funding it? Black students are thriving elsewhere.

It is primarily considered an Ag school, just like NC State. Even with other disciplines, the vast majority of graduates from those other disciplines become mid-tier workers (teachers, nurses), not Phds, doctors, lawyers. The latter trio is possible sure but it is a very small minority of graduates. Contrast that with William and Mary and UVA graduates: a much larger percent of grads become white-collar workers.

Cite?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not sure why some of you are offended by the idea of closing colleges like Va State. Nothing is preventing students from going there, if they want to. The point is that they very clearly don’t want to - and have many more options available to them. So why is the state pouring money into a school that is not attracting students?

+1. There isn’t a reader on this board would would send their kids to an HBCU agriculture school.

VT is also an agricultural school, so what’s wrong with VSU? Have you ever visited a HBCU?

DP. VT is not an "agricultural school" - it offers some majors in agriculture, but it offers a wealth of other disciplines. And there's nothing wrong with an HBCU - but if the interest isn't there, which is clearly the issue with VSU, then why should the state continue funding it? Black students are thriving elsewhere.

It is primarily considered an Ag school, just like NC State. Even with other disciplines, the vast majority of graduates from those other disciplines become mid-tier workers (teachers, nurses), not Phds, doctors, lawyers. The latter trio is possible sure but it is a very small minority of graduates.
Contrast that with William and Mary and UVA graduates: a much larger percent of grads become white-collar workers.

What on earth? I guess I need to let all the PhDs, doctors, and lawyers I know who are VT alumni know what some random internet poster claims.

LOL. People say whatever.

1) Virginia Tech doesn’t have a nursing major.
2) the VT engineering college is 4 times the size of the ag college. The business college (Pamplin) is double the size of the ag college. The ag college is roughly 10% of the university
3) UVAs education school is bigger than VTs.


Second,