Data Analysts - Where are you? (CAPE)

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Anonymous wrote:You have to look at the proportion who also aren't taking the ELA. If you just take ELA but not math in high school, you likely are ahead in math. If you take neither, that's not the issue.

What is the issue? Probably mostly students opting out. Severely cognitively disabled kids also don't take it, but that's not a high number of kids.

You can use the OSSE spreadsheets to see how many kids took the MSAA.

No one in grades 9 and 10, since it's for 3-8 and 11. But sure, you can ballpark it with the 11th graders.

CAPE (PARCC) testing is for 3-8 and Algebra and Geometry. For many students, Algebra is 9th grade and Geometry is 10th. Is MSAA not given to 9th and 10th graders but only to 11th grade?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It’s a canard that high-performing kids leave DCPS for suburban or private schools. The average SAT math score for white kids in DCPS (601) is actually higher than the average SAT math score for (demographically very similar) white kids in FCPS (591). The average SAT math score for all white kids in DC, including charter and private school kids as well as DCPS, is 602.

Data:
DCPS, https://dcps.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/dcps/publication/attachments/School%20Year%202022-2023%20SAT%20Scores.xlsx.
FCPS, https://www.fcps.edu/news/fairfax-county-students-continue-outperform-sat-state-and-global-averages.
All DC, https://reports.collegeboard.org/media/pdf/2023-district-of-columbia-sat-suite-of-assessments-annual-report.pdf.

Thank you. So very much prejudice from parents who have uprooted their lives to make sure that their kids can attend the precious perfect suburban DC area schools when this bias does not reflect the reality of white students who stay in DC.

While I agree with you that people who move to the suburbs or privates from DCPS (or avoid it altogether) tend to have a very incorrect idea of the academic quality of the schools and in particular to believe that upper middle class white kids are somehow being left behind by their suburban charter and private peers. It's silly -- there are obviously many high achieving students (and not just white) in DCPS.

That said I think you should consider that there are many reasons parents "uproot their lives" to send their kids to school districts other than DCPS. Including the unquestionable truth that the majority of DCPS's high school pathways really do not offer sufficient academics for high achieving kids. There are many high schools in DC that do not offer AP-level math classes (either AP or IB) or advanced writing classes. And your access to the schools that do have this stuff is depending on where you live or your lottery luck. Would you judge a family for moving to Bethesda for the schools but applaud a family for moving from Ward 5 to Ward 3? Because that's the same thing.

People also leave the district for quality of life issues. Not everyone wants to live in a tiny row house or a condo with teenagers and there are certain limitations to life with kids in the city including a derth of certain extra curricular programming. There are benefits too but some people decide they'd rather their kid have access to a great youth orchestra than have greater access to museums. Or they want their kid to have the option of some in state college options.

Leaving DCPS does not equal racist. Just for starter it's a decison many many black and Hispanic families make too.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You have to look at the proportion who also aren't taking the ELA. If you just take ELA but not math in high school, you likely are ahead in math. If you take neither, that's not the issue.

What is the issue? Probably mostly students opting out. Severely cognitively disabled kids also don't take it, but that's not a high number of kids.

You can use the OSSE spreadsheets to see how many kids took the MSAA.

No one in grades 9 and 10, since it's for 3-8 and 11. But sure, you can ballpark it with the 11th graders.

CAPE (PARCC) testing is for 3-8 and Algebra and Geometry. For many students, Algebra is 9th grade and Geometry is 10th. Is MSAA not given to 9th and 10th graders but only to 11th grade?

Yes, exactly. "The MSAA’s ELA/Literacy and mathematics assessments are required for students in grades 3-8 and 11, who qualify for the alternate assessment."