UVA just offered spots to 57 people on its wait-list.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

My kid loves W&M, but honestly is somewhat bothered by the lower ranking. She is deciding between W&M (where she loves everything, but the ranking) v. UVA (where she mainly loves it for the ranking). She understands that the ranking methodology is based on things that don't affect her personally (i.e. Pell grant recipients) - but still seeing the ranking so far away from UVA is bothersome to her. Yet, W&M is one of those rare schools that seems to have maintained its prestige and reputation without the corresponding ranking. I wonder if its small size made it unable to cater to the metrics that are important in the rankings.

DD feels pressured to go to UVA (from her friends mainly b/c of the ranking), but she, too, genuinely feels like W&M is a better fit. She wants to like UVA b/c she is "supposed to," but keeps feeling drawn to W&M. We are going to the admitted students event this weekend and will most likely make a decision at the end of the day.

DP. My DC knew at the W&M admitted students day that it was *not* the school for her. Your DD will probably know either way right away.

Just curious - what specifically made the school not the right one for her based on DFAS?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.saraharberson.com/blog/something-different-waitlists-this-year?_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_j3M-nranCg5ZNuBJdnLIuWTDKis_lclCcnSBVik8irH4Y_IKikCzbHaRyNCNuKbLZmMOwU1I3Kp1Fe_eABadhfUg02A&_hsmi=302227906

One "expert" who studies WL movement thinks something is up with the UVA WL movement already. And yes, 57 is a big number.

Ha ha this is really funny to read. First. she said 57 is a small number - not a big one. Second she made clear that this DOESN’T necessitate mean “something is up”: “Then again, it was only 57 students. Maybe these were students that UVA had planned to admit all along, but had to delay it for optics or other institutional priorities.”

Your post serves as a good reminder that it’s always best to go to the original source.

DP. Here’s what else she said:

“If UVA continues to admit students from the waitlist leading up to and after the enrollment deadline, that means it is struggling to yield students. Waitlist activity does not typically begin until closer to the deadline for most colleges, which makes me think this year's waitlist season is different.

The use of the waitlist is a barometer for how desirable colleges are. When a college uses the waitlist, especially this early, it can show cracks in the foundation of the admissions plan or it can hint at a shift in what students are looking for in a college that year.”

She doesn’t cite any examples to back up the statements. This is pure opinion.

We need better media literacy so people ask for evidence from “experts.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

My kid loves W&M, but honestly is somewhat bothered by the lower ranking. She is deciding between W&M (where she loves everything, but the ranking) v. UVA (where she mainly loves it for the ranking). She understands that the ranking methodology is based on things that don't affect her personally (i.e. Pell grant recipients) - but still seeing the ranking so far away from UVA is bothersome to her. Yet, W&M is one of those rare schools that seems to have maintained its prestige and reputation without the corresponding ranking. I wonder if its small size made it unable to cater to the metrics that are important in the rankings.

DD feels pressured to go to UVA (from her friends mainly b/c of the ranking), but she, too, genuinely feels like W&M is a better fit. She wants to like UVA b/c she is "supposed to," but keeps feeling drawn to W&M. We are going to the admitted students event this weekend and will most likely make a decision at the end of the day.

DP. My DC knew at the W&M admitted students day that it was *not* the school for her. Your DD will probably know either way right away.

Just curious - what specifically made the school not the right one for her based on DFAS?

I don’t want to diss the school or have the W&M boosters jump all over me, but suffice it to say she just felt completely uncomfortable around the other admitted kids. Totally different personalities from her.

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One "expert" who studies WL movement thinks something is up with the UVA WL movement already. And yes, 57 is a big number.

Ha ha this is really funny to read. First. she said 57 is a small number - not a big one. Second she made clear that this DOESN’T necessitate mean “something is up”: “Then again, it was only 57 students. Maybe these were students that UVA had planned to admit all along, but had to delay it for optics or other institutional priorities.”

Your post serves as a good reminder that it’s always best to go to the original source.

DP. Here’s what else she said:

“If UVA continues to admit students from the waitlist leading up to and after the enrollment deadline, that means it is struggling to yield students. Waitlist activity does not typically begin until closer to the deadline for most colleges, which makes me think this year's waitlist season is different.

The use of the waitlist is a barometer for how desirable colleges are. When a college uses the waitlist, especially this early, it can show cracks in the foundation of the admissions plan or it can hint at a shift in what students are looking for in a college that year.”

She doesn’t cite any examples to back up the statements. This is pure opinion.

We need better media literacy so people ask for evidence from “experts.”

Are you the PPP? The same one who quoted her other “opinions” (in bold)?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

W&M might as well be an all female school at this point.

W&M is 41%/59% M/F. UVA is 43%/57% M/F. National is about 40%/60 M/F.

Where the heck are the boys!?

Wherever they are, probably not studying.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

W&M might as well be an all female school at this point.

W&M is 41%/59% M/F. UVA is 43%/57% M/F. National is about 40%/60 M/F.

Where the heck are the boys!?

There's a huge imbalance in almost every top 50 or so school. Has anyone noticed that the millions of migrants who are coming across the border are almost all young men (like 90% or more)? It makes me wonder if, in the next 10 years or so, it's going to be common to see educated women pair up with migrant men.

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Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

W&M might as well be an all female school at this point.

W&M is 41%/59% M/F. UVA is 43%/57% M/F. National is about 40%/60 M/F.

Where the heck are the boys!?

There's a huge imbalance in almost every top 50 or so school. Has anyone noticed that the millions of migrants who are coming across the border are almost all young men (like 90% or more)? It makes me wonder if, in the next 10 years or so, it's going to be common to see educated women pair up with migrant men.

That's actually an interesting theory.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

My kid loves W&M, but honestly is somewhat bothered by the lower ranking. She is deciding between W&M (where she loves everything, but the ranking) v. UVA (where she mainly loves it for the ranking). She understands that the ranking methodology is based on things that don't affect her personally (i.e. Pell grant recipients) - but still seeing the ranking so far away from UVA is bothersome to her. Yet, W&M is one of those rare schools that seems to have maintained its prestige and reputation without the corresponding ranking. I wonder if its small size made it unable to cater to the metrics that are important in the rankings.

DD feels pressured to go to UVA (from her friends mainly b/c of the ranking), but she, too, genuinely feels like W&M is a better fit. She wants to like UVA b/c she is "supposed to," but keeps feeling drawn to W&M. We are going to the admitted students event this weekend and will most likely make a decision at the end of the day.

DP. My DC knew at the W&M admitted students day that it was *not* the school for her. Your DD will probably know either way right away.

Just curious - what specifically made the school not the right one for her based on DFAS?

I don’t want to diss the school or have the W&M boosters jump all over me, but suffice it to say she just felt completely uncomfortable around the other admitted kids. Totally different personalities from her.

Very fair. I'm a W&M alum and my kid said no way after DFAS (though wasn't ever seriously considering- making mom happy by applying and attending DFAS). The student vibe there is very self selecting and it either is or isn't a fit. Big reason attending admitted student days is often important!

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.saraharberson.com/blog/something-different-waitlists-this-year?_hsenc=p2ANqtz-_j3M-nranCg5ZNuBJdnLIuWTDKis_lclCcnSBVik8irH4Y_IKikCzbHaRyNCNuKbLZmMOwU1I3Kp1Fe_eABadhfUg02A&_hsmi=302227906

One "expert" who studies WL movement thinks something is up with the UVA WL movement already. And yes, 57 is a big number.

Ha ha this is really funny to read. First. she said 57 is a small number - not a big one. Second she made clear that this DOESN’T necessitate mean “something is up”: “Then again, it was only 57 students. Maybe these were students that UVA had planned to admit all along, but had to delay it for optics or other institutional priorities.”

Your post serves as a good reminder that it’s always best to go to the original source.

DP. I went directly to the source too and found it interesting that she notes use of the waitlist this early means they’re probably nervous about yield. So this is a form of yield protection.

They didn’t defer this year for the first time. Look at this waitlist movement as defer accepts.

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

W&M might as well be an all female school at this point.

W&M is 41%/59% M/F. UVA is 43%/57% M/F. National is about 40%/60 M/F.

Where the heck are the boys!?

Wherever they are, probably not studying.

Why would you say that? How bizarre.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

My kid loves W&M, but honestly is somewhat bothered by the lower ranking. She is deciding between W&M (where she loves everything, but the ranking) v. UVA (where she mainly loves it for the ranking). She understands that the ranking methodology is based on things that don't affect her personally (i.e. Pell grant recipients) - but still seeing the ranking so far away from UVA is bothersome to her. Yet, W&M is one of those rare schools that seems to have maintained its prestige and reputation without the corresponding ranking. I wonder if its small size made it unable to cater to the metrics that are important in the rankings.

DD feels pressured to go to UVA (from her friends mainly b/c of the ranking), but she, too, genuinely feels like W&M is a better fit. She wants to like UVA b/c she is "supposed to," but keeps feeling drawn to W&M. We are going to the admitted students event this weekend and will most likely make a decision at the end of the day.

DP. My DC knew at the W&M admitted students day that it was *not* the school for her. Your DD will probably know either way right away.

Just curious - what specifically made the school not the right one for her based on DFAS?

I don’t want to diss the school or have the W&M boosters jump all over me, but suffice it to say she just felt completely uncomfortable around the other admitted kids. Totally different personalities from her.

Very fair. I'm a W&M alum and my kid said no way after DFAS (though wasn't ever seriously considering- making mom happy by applying and attending DFAS). The student vibe there is very self selecting and it either is or isn't a fit. Big reason attending admitted student days is often important!

+1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

W&M might as well be an all female school at this point.

W&M is 41%/59% M/F. UVA is 43%/57% M/F. National is about 40%/60 M/F.

Where the heck are the boys!?

Wherever they are, probably not studying.

Why would you say that? How bizarre.
DP

I think because there are now 3 women for every 2 men at college.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

W&M might as well be an all female school at this point.

W&M is 41%/59% M/F. UVA is 43%/57% M/F. National is about 40%/60 M/F.

Where the heck are the boys!?

Wherever they are, probably not studying.

Why would you say that? How bizarre.
DP

I think because there are now 3 women for every 2 men at college.

Why wouldn’t they admit more men by a huge margin to try and get the balance correct? It creates a weird hook up culture in college.

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With other posters, the waitlist this year is what used to be ED deferrals so not surprising at all.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:UVA was not our backup, but we did pick William and Mary over UVA.

smart decision, it's a private ivy-like education for a public school price.

The sad thing about William & Mary is its free fall in the rankings. It's not even a Top 50 school anymore.

W&M might as well be an all female school at this point.

W&M is 41%/59% M/F. UVA is 43%/57% M/F. National is about 40%/60 M/F.

Where the heck are the boys!?

Wherever they are, probably not studying.

Why would you say that? How bizarre.
DP

I think because there are now 3 women for every 2 men at college.

Why wouldn’t they admit more men by a huge margin to try and get the balance correct? It creates a weird hook up culture in college.

Could not agree more about the weird hook up culture, but if colleges did what you suggest then people would be upset that they were discriminating against women.