Wealthy donors pull funding from from Harvard and U Penn for failure to denounce “antisemitism”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow it looks like Alissa Heinerscheid learned her lessons from Penn after all. How to alienate your customer base by doing and saying stupid things.

Wonder if Penn will take an even greater hit than Budweiser.

Are the customers the students or the donors in this case?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:These firms are done.

What exactly do you mean by this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I have major mixed feelings. I think that this just perpetuates the inappropriate politicization of universities and workplaces and chilling of speech. But at the same time, I don’t feel sorry for students and academics who have to face that it’s not OK to be openly anti-semitic.

This was a good opinion piece in the Post: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/10/17/identity-politics-game-jews-cannot-win/

[Anonymous]

Just by math alone, there are more students from “elite” universities that need jobs than there are elite job openings. These firms will be ok.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just by math alone, there are more students from “elite” universities that need jobs than there are elite job openings. These firms will be ok.

Right. Do people really think Davis Polk not hiring some activist kid who would've left for a public interest job in 2 years after making a dent in students loans is taking the firm down? Get real.

[Anonymous]

Personally, I think you can support Palestine without being antisemitic. I would like to be both supportive of Palestine and Israel, hoping there could be a compromise that both could agree to and hold to for peace.

However, the fact that these pro-Palestinian demonstrations occur immediately following a terrorist bombing removes any sorrow I have for these students. If they occurred prior to the bombing, I could have supported their intent. But to do so at such a time, they do nit deserve any support, or money or cush jobs.

I am shocked that people can’t understand the impact their timing for these rallies has on most people. Common decency is missing from their character.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I think you can support Palestine without being antisemitic. I would like to be both supportive of Palestine and Israel, hoping there could be a compromise that both could agree to and hold to for peace.

However, the fact that these pro-Palestinian demonstrations occur immediately following a terrorist bombing removes any sorrow I have for these students. If they occurred prior to the bombing, I could have supported their intent. But to do so at such a time, they do nit deserve any support, or money or cush jobs.

I am shocked that people can’t understand the impact their timing for these rallies has on most people. Common decency is missing from their character.

And it's not just the protest. Some of the student letters are cruel.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another law firm rescinding offers to Harvard and Columbia university students

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/corporations/harvard-letter-israel-columbia-ivy-davis-polk-law-firm-student-rcna120881

Free Speech, FTW!

You have no idea what the principles of free speech are. None.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Another law firm rescinding offers to Harvard and Columbia university students

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/corporations/harvard-letter-israel-columbia-ivy-davis-polk-law-firm-student-rcna120881

Free Speech, FTW!

You have no idea what the principles of free speech are. None.

I think you have it wrong. There are free speech principles and then there are instantiations of such principles as enshrined in law and policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Personally, I think you can support Palestine without being antisemitic. I would like to be both supportive of Palestine and Israel, hoping there could be a compromise that both could agree to and hold to for peace.

However, the fact that these pro-Palestinian demonstrations occur immediately following a terrorist bombing removes any sorrow I have for these students. If they occurred prior to the bombing, I could have supported their intent. But to do so at such a time, they do nit deserve any support, or money or cush jobs.

I am shocked that people can’t understand the impact their timing for these rallies has on most people. Common decency is missing from their character.

There are constant pro-Palestine protests pre-dating this incident, especially among the activist and college crowd. They just don't get much visibility...kind of like Palestinian suffering.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read two articles— see links — about wealthy donors yanking funding from universities that apparently failed to speak out against antisemitism in ways that satisfied the donors. Huntsman — the U Penn donor — was quoted as saying” Silence is antisemitism”. While obviously the donors are free to do as they wish, reading about these recent events has me wondering what sorts of strings get attached to sizable donations — even beyond having buildings and chairs named after donors and assuring that their family members leap the line when it comes to admissions.

When did universities start publicly proclaiming political stances? How many millions is the expected going rate for a Harvard imprimatur? When did the supposed “silence” of what is supposedly a complex and diverse community come to mean “antisemitism “ — and what else might such silences mean ….concerning global and political issues rather than the functioning of the universities themselves? Has demanding official stances in line with donations been the norm all along?

I get donating for a science lab, or a crew tank, or scholarships. These — possibly assumed but perhaps not explicitly discussed — strings attached seem quite different.


https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-huntsman-family-stops-donations-penn-university-antisemitism-israel-response-2023-10

https://www.businessinsider.com/wexner-foundation-pulls-funding-from-harvard-over-stance-israel-hamas-attacks-2023-10

I thought “silence is violence” is a university slogan these days. Or does that not apply when the victims are Jewish?

I generally don’t like the stifling of speech based on any type of moral absolutism. I reject hate speech. I also reject the premise that people somehow can’t discuss “both sides” in the Palestinian-Israel issue, or that they become pariahs if they do openly voice concerns about how both sides act.

The rave kidnapping of Israelis was horrendous, but so is walling off people in ghettos, incrementally setting up new settlements through stolen land annexation, and now forcing 1M Palestinians to somehow relocate south in Gaza and to live in even more cramped, squalid conditions. You think they’ll ever be allowed back? No. The plan is to take that land, too.

If people somehow can’t even discuss these issues and concerns without being shouted down, IN AMERICA, the land of free speech, then I don’t know what to say. That’s pretty fked up.

These donors are free to pull their money, but really no one should be scared to just point out their observations in public.

Also, as an American I am concerned about us being drawn into a wider conflict. So I’m sorry if you can’t fking handle my concerns, but as shown in major news outlets the world is taking sides and it’s getting scary. Russia and China are exploiting this conflict now to curry favor in the Middle East. Israel needs to get its hostages, but also show restraint in Gaza. Shout at me all you want. I don’t fking care.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just read two articles— see links — about wealthy donors yanking funding from universities that apparently failed to speak out against antisemitism in ways that satisfied the donors. Huntsman — the U Penn donor — was quoted as saying” Silence is antisemitism”. While obviously the donors are free to do as they wish, reading about these recent events has me wondering what sorts of strings get attached to sizable donations — even beyond having buildings and chairs named after donors and assuring that their family members leap the line when it comes to admissions.

When did universities start publicly proclaiming political stances? How many millions is the expected going rate for a Harvard imprimatur? When did the supposed “silence” of what is supposedly a complex and diverse community come to mean “antisemitism “ — and what else might such silences mean ….concerning global and political issues rather than the functioning of the universities themselves? Has demanding official stances in line with donations been the norm all along?

I get donating for a science lab, or a crew tank, or scholarships. These — possibly assumed but perhaps not explicitly discussed — strings attached seem quite different.


https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-huntsman-family-stops-donations-penn-university-antisemitism-israel-response-2023-10

https://www.businessinsider.com/wexner-foundation-pulls-funding-from-harvard-over-stance-israel-hamas-attacks-2023-10

It's their money and they can attach any strings they do desire as well as stop giving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read two articles— see links — about wealthy donors yanking funding from universities that apparently failed to speak out against antisemitism in ways that satisfied the donors. Huntsman — the U Penn donor — was quoted as saying” Silence is antisemitism”. While obviously the donors are free to do as they wish, reading about these recent events has me wondering what sorts of strings get attached to sizable donations — even beyond having buildings and chairs named after donors and assuring that their family members leap the line when it comes to admissions.

When did universities start publicly proclaiming political stances? How many millions is the expected going rate for a Harvard imprimatur? When did the supposed “silence” of what is supposedly a complex and diverse community come to mean “antisemitism “ — and what else might such silences mean ….concerning global and political issues rather than the functioning of the universities themselves? Has demanding official stances in line with donations been the norm all along?

I get donating for a science lab, or a crew tank, or scholarships. These — possibly assumed but perhaps not explicitly discussed — strings attached seem quite different.


https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-huntsman-family-stops-donations-penn-university-antisemitism-israel-response-2023-10

https://www.businessinsider.com/wexner-foundation-pulls-funding-from-harvard-over-stance-israel-hamas-attacks-2023-10

It's their money and they can attach any strings they do desire as well as stop giving.

Who is disagreeing with this?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just read two articles— see links — about wealthy donors yanking funding from universities that apparently failed to speak out against antisemitism in ways that satisfied the donors. Huntsman — the U Penn donor — was quoted as saying” Silence is antisemitism”. While obviously the donors are free to do as they wish, reading about these recent events has me wondering what sorts of strings get attached to sizable donations — even beyond having buildings and chairs named after donors and assuring that their family members leap the line when it comes to admissions.

When did universities start publicly proclaiming political stances? How many millions is the expected going rate for a Harvard imprimatur? When did the supposed “silence” of what is supposedly a complex and diverse community come to mean “antisemitism “ — and what else might such silences mean ….concerning global and political issues rather than the functioning of the universities themselves? Has demanding official stances in line with donations been the norm all along?

I get donating for a science lab, or a crew tank, or scholarships. These — possibly assumed but perhaps not explicitly discussed — strings attached seem quite different.


https://www.businessinsider.com/jon-huntsman-family-stops-donations-penn-university-antisemitism-israel-response-2023-10

https://www.businessinsider.com/wexner-foundation-pulls-funding-from-harvard-over-stance-israel-hamas-attacks-2023-10

I thought “silence is violence” is a university slogan these days. Or does that not apply when the victims are Jewish?

I generally don’t like the stifling of speech based on any type of moral absolutism. I reject hate speech. I also reject the premise that people somehow can’t discuss “both sides” in the Palestinian-Israel issue, or that they become pariahs if they do openly voice concerns about how both sides act.

The rave kidnapping of Israelis was horrendous, but so is walling off people in ghettos, incrementally setting up new settlements through stolen land annexation, and now forcing 1M Palestinians to somehow relocate south in Gaza and to live in even more cramped, squalid conditions. You think they’ll ever be allowed back? No. The plan is to take that land, too.

If people somehow can’t even discuss these issues and concerns without being shouted down, IN AMERICA, the land of free speech, then I don’t know what to say. That’s pretty fked up.

These donors are free to pull their money, but really no one should be scared to just point out their observations in public.

Also, as an American I am concerned about us being drawn into a wider conflict. So I’m sorry if you can’t fking handle my concerns, but as shown in major news outlets the world is taking sides and it’s getting scary. Russia and China are exploiting this conflict now to curry favor in the Middle East. Israel needs to get its hostages, but also show restraint in Gaza. Shout at me all you want. I don’t fking care.

Two-thousand marines called up to go to Israel. That's just the beginning. Guarantee China is looking at this as a way to go after Taiwan. How much money will the US spend fighting the wars of Ukraine/Russia, Israel/Palestine and Taiwan Semiconductor/China. The US pivots from one war to another. This country has not been free of waring conflict since its inception. The country takes a five to ten year reprieve and then start a conflict anew. Since WWII we haven't had that reprieve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow it looks like Alissa Heinerscheid learned her lessons from Penn after all. How to alienate your customer base by doing and saying stupid things.

Wonder if Penn will take an even greater hit than Budweiser.

Are the customers the students or the donors in this case?

Both. Donors no longer going to see a positive return on investment; great school for their family to attend.

Students fairly or unfairly will get caught up in the controversy.

So both sets of customers harmed by having the brand tarnished.