Did TJ release the stats of admission by middle school?

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Anonymous wrote:Or get spanked by the voters (parents) which I highly doubt.

If it's really as bad as everyone says it is, then the School Board elections should go overwhelmingly in the conservatives' favor.

My guess is that most parents are not nearly as unhappy as the very small subsegment of folks who comment on this board alongside the very vocal superminority on Twitter.

Not to mention the folks that were nominated for the School Board on that side are so far outside the mainstream of Fairfax County education policy as to be unrecognizable - and that several are running with the express intent of financially kneecapping the public school system....

Prepare to be disappointed. Become a serious party if you intend to create change.

It’s never “as bad as everyone says it is” for those who have their heads stuck in the sand until the distinctions that the school district once had that drew you to live here and send your kids here actually disappear.
Then you’ll be scratching your head wondering how this happened, and speaking nostalgically about how the school district used to be one of the top in the country.

These changes that happen overnight under Reid will set the course but you won’t see the decline for a few years. And once you start to notice, it will take years to reverse. And sadly, it will probably be too late. But, yay for equity I guess? After all, mediocrity for all is fair.

If equity efforts mean they can help enough Black and Hispanic kids do better on SATs and AP exams and in turn transform 50% of pyramids from less than "6/10" into "8/10" schools, then that would be a significant victory. Perhaps the most significant accomplishment in the history of FCPS.

Because until we improve those pyramids, they will continue to decline FCPS's reputation and continue to frustrate you.

Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Lies

That isn't debatable. The strategy to close the gap by lowering the performance of top performers is well documented. and not even a subject of debate.

Yep and it's been getting worse

My first grader claims the only kids that get reading groups in their class are below grade level. I asked the teacher about it and was told they no longer even do small differentiated reading groups since covid and only provide that for remediation which happens to be about half the class. My older kid who is in high school claims that all English classes are now honors so essentially they're just calling grade level English honors these days.

wouldn't be surprised if equity crazies take it further and petition to rename remediation as an honors class too. that way everyone is enrolled in one or the other honors class, and no one feels bad

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Or get spanked by the voters (parents) which I highly doubt.

If it's really as bad as everyone says it is, then the School Board elections should go overwhelmingly in the conservatives' favor.

My guess is that most parents are not nearly as unhappy as the very small subsegment of folks who comment on this board alongside the very vocal superminority on Twitter.

Not to mention the folks that were nominated for the School Board on that side are so far outside the mainstream of Fairfax County education policy as to be unrecognizable - and that several are running with the express intent of financially kneecapping the public school system....

Prepare to be disappointed. Become a serious party if you intend to create change.

It’s never “as bad as everyone says it is” for those who have their heads stuck in the sand until the distinctions that the school district once had that drew you to live here and send your kids here actually disappear.
Then you’ll be scratching your head wondering how this happened, and speaking nostalgically about how the school district used to be one of the top in the country.

These changes that happen overnight under Reid will set the course but you won’t see the decline for a few years. And once you start to notice, it will take years to reverse. And sadly, it will probably be too late. But, yay for equity I guess? After all, mediocrity for all is fair.

If equity efforts mean they can help enough Black and Hispanic kids do better on SATs and AP exams and in turn transform 50% of pyramids from less than "6/10" into "8/10" schools, then that would be a significant victory. Perhaps the most significant accomplishment in the history of FCPS.

Because until we improve those pyramids, they will continue to decline FCPS's reputation and continue to frustrate you.

Equity efforts will do nothing of the kind. They are simply a smokescreen that attempts to close the gap by harming the high-achieving kids. It does nothing to improve outcomes of low-achieving students so I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

Lies

That isn't debatable. The strategy to close the gap by lowering the performance of top performers is well documented. and not even a subject of debate.

Yep and it's been getting worse

My first grader claims the only kids that get reading groups in their class are below grade level. I asked the teacher about it and was told they no longer even do small differentiated reading groups since covid and only provide that for remediation which happens to be about half the class. My older kid who is in high school claims that all English classes are now honors so essentially they're just calling grade level English honors these days.

wouldn't be surprised if equity crazies take it further and petition to rename remediation as an honors class too. that way everyone is enrolled in one or the other honors class, and no one feels bad

Ironically, equity means make the outcomes appear equal, not equal learning.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

of course all of them knew their alphabet and numbers, and had inconsequentially similar GPA. But the fact is FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or underprepared. No evaluation test exists anymore.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

of course all of them knew their alphabet and numbers, and had inconsequentially similar GPA. But the fact is FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or underprepared. No evaluation test exists anymore.

They have students who have taken advanced/accelerated classes and did well in them.
https://www.fcps.edu/registration/thomas-jefferson-admissions/eligibility-requirements

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

Wonder if they’ll have to rescore the SATs too?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

Wonder if they’ll have to rescore the SATs too?

They've been rescoring the SATs every few years for a long time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

Wonder if they’ll have to rescore the SATs too?

Everyone will recalibrate when they switch to digital SAT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

Wonder if they’ll have to rescore the SATs too?

They've been rescoring the SATs every few years for a long time.

That’s true. They’ve been getting easier and easier. Historical trending is difficult with test changes. Luckily with the SOLs, we can just compare against same year demographics to see what the scores indicate.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:FCPS under Michelle Reid views transparency as getting in the way of equity. So FCPS is no longer disclosing (at least not on a timely basis) data that used to be disclosed every year, such as:

- SAT scores by school (school-wide or disaggregated by race/ethnicity);
- Admissions to TJ by middle school; and
- Racial/ethnic data for individual schools

Instead, we should all pretend every school is the same, where all outcomes will be the same, and that no data can be shared without "contextualizing" it so that the stupid FCPS parents understand how exactly Reid and her staff want everyone to interpret it.

haha. so well put. Another mess created by DEI

It's great that all children now have a shot at these advanced programs even one's from poor families.

This is a lie.
Academically advanced poor kids have no way of showing they are more prepared than other poor kids since there is no evaluation. Under prepared poor kids who are admitted without middle school readiness suffer and quit freshman year, leaving no poor kids enrolled at all. FCPS does not know who they are admitting among the poor: the qualified or under prepared.

There are course requirements and GPA is submitted. Average GPA was higher than previous classes.

Average GPA is higher than previous classes, but SOL scores are lower than ever. Hmmm...

GPA is pretty meaningless when there's so much grade inflation. I wouldn't be surprised if almost every AAP center has 100 kids taking 3 or more honors classes with straight As in all of them.

You also cannot compare SOL scores directly because they are rescored.

Wonder if they’ll have to rescore the SATs too?

They've been rescoring the SATs every few years for a long time.

Scores today are on average about 200 points higher than 40 years ago. Look up what the median SAT was for Harvard in 1978.